Texas Chainsaw massacre

[ReptiZone]

We all heard the storys but now with the release of the new movie I am now verry intrigued and want to look up the history now I know that some members her are from the states so they have access to libraries that could have some good info. On the event. I am not some sataninc freak I am just curious about how things realy went down.

Here is the oficial web site on the movie.
http://www.texaschainsawmovie.com/

[ohh_kristina]

Nothing can touch the original movie. It was classic. I love horror movies and I study serial killers and murders, etc., so I know all about it. It's very interesting, and you don't have to be a satanic freak to be interested in it. Although, I do get a lot of weird looks when I talk about studying the stuff.

[crucified]

i hear ya on that one kristina.. :/

[ChokeOnSmoke]

Chondro are you refering to the true story it originated from or the movie plot? I think the real person its based on is Ed Gains(sp), he killed two people in wisconson. I found a good web site on it the other day I'll take a look and try to post the link. Other movies like Silence of the Lambs and the Psycho movies are also based on him.

[ohh_kristina]

His name is Ed Gein, and there is also a movie called Ed Gein about him that is pretty good. If you're interested, check it out.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Yeah, that Ed Gain was a nut job, that's for sure. I can only imagine what the headlines and the mid-west town he lived in were like at the time of the discovery. I think he only killed 2 people, but it was the manner in which everything happened that was so disturbing.

Kinda makes you hate people even more...

[Solid Snake]

i like horror movies but then when i get home and go to my room ( i live in my parents basement) its really freaky

it takes about 2 weeks for me to get over a scary movie lol. i know i know, im a wuss, but i still watch'em

[ReptiZone]

well that is what I am trying to figure out what was the maner of how this murders happen PLZ use proper judgement Pm the links that are to graphic I posted the official web site cause it is not so bad it is basicly a historyX class. I dont want to offend any one.

They said it was I think 5 groups of teens or somthing like that somthing like 30 ppl died. I just wana have the facts B4 I go and see i the new one so I can see just how realistic it is.
I am also down loading the clasic verison so I can see that.

[ChokeOnSmoke]

I like horror movies too. Army of Darkness is my favorite if you consider that a horror movie. You think your basements freaky? I live at a cemetery(my dad runs it and I work there). Headstones are about 30 feet from my front door.

[ohh_kristina]

Go here for info about Ed Gein:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/gein/bill_1.html

It's very interesting. Also, check crimelibrary.com for other info on serial killers and mass murders.

[CDN-Cresties]

Originally posted by chondro python

I am also down loading the clasic verison so I can see that.

Correct me if im wrong but weren't you coming down hard on that guy who had the ID with a birthday mistake on it. Saying that it is a federal offence? So is d/l movies isnt it???? Just thought it was a bit funny...lol :)

-Steve-

[Ryan]

That is so wierd, I just watched some really horrible movie a couple nights ago called Deranged. This movie is exactly like the storie in the link Kristina, right down to the details in the farmhouse.

[ohh_kristina]

Deranged, hmm? I haven't seen it. I'll look it up on netflix.com and see about renting it. Thanks for telling me about it!

[CDN-Cresties]

I just read some of that article that Kristina posted a link to, that is some freaky stuff, anyway im still reading it.

-Steve-

[Ryan]

No prob. Kristina, I love horror flicks especially the classics, they just don't make them like they used to.

[ReptiZone]

That was a verry interseting read thanks for the link Ohh_Christina.

OHH and Plz dont try and compare under age drinking and raging teen hormons (porn) to me downloading a freaking Movie.

80% or so of vandalisim crimes are done by teens and the real serious stuff was done while they were under the influance.

I am no angel I have done it all B4 but i also paied for my mistakes I just try to warn ppl B4 they get in to deap.

[Tim and Julie B]

I am the first in line at the movies when horror flicks come out! I love them all. Cheesy of reality based, it's all good. That link was very interesting. Took me 10 minutes to read it all. Tim always bugs me for liking these kinds of movies:D Anyone got any other suggestions for some good flicks?

Julie

[CDN-Cresties]

LMAO, alright dude, you compared the license thing to someone smuggling baby indian pythons and congratulating them. However, Im not saying that the license thing is right.

Both d/l a movie and having a fake ID are FEDERAL offences, ive seen a guy i use to work with at Wal-mart get arrested for the same thing. They are one in the same...both illegal, so you CAN compare the two. That was the point i was trying to make.

Hey dont get me wrong, almost everyone d/l media from the net. I dont give a ish about it. The second point i was trying ot make was that you were contradicting yourself, preaching follow Federal law when you werent doing do yourself. D/l movies/music is a big time offense and like you said the big boys will go after you.

Do you see my point now??? :)

Thanks

-Steve-

[katev17]

If anyone's ever seen House of 1000 Corpses (Rob Zombie) .... (btw, if you haven't seen it, don't) ... it's a total ripoff of TCM. I own 3 of the 4 TCM's, they're awesome movies... I can't watch the first one alone still... The other 3 aren't AS scary as the first, but it's awesome. I'm interested to see the remake, although I'm really not a fan of remakes... (ie: psycho remake shot for shot was just plain stupid).

Now... if you want to see a REAL horror movie... holy crap... Heather (Punkuponastar) can totally vouch for this one...

Check out The Grudge (also known as Ju-On, as it's a japanese horror film with English subtitles :rolleyes: Don't complain about subtitles... PLEASE... it's almost as bad as people complaining about widescreen saying 'the top and the bottom of the movie are cut off!' when in reality it's just letting you see the WHOLE movie... *twitch*) ...

Oh man, seriously, The Grudge is so creepy... It could be related to the Ring, but ACTUALLY scary... I really can't wait for the second one to come out on DVD (It's already been released in Japan)...

CHECK IT OUT! (Go to your local Chinatown :D (yes I know it's Japanese, but it'll be there))

Kate

[BoAddict]

down loading is not illegal in canada why do we pay that wicked tax on blank cds , i dont know if you remember maybe 5 - 6 years ago when they implemented a sur tax on CDR's and CDRW's

there was a write up in the star about a month ago explaining it all so go ahead and dl all you want
now its not legal in the usa

[Pixie]

I've read Ed Gein's biography a while back and he's always been my "fave" freak sicko! Really a twisted mind!!!

Although he was only convicted of two murders, it is rumored that he killed over a dozen women. Body parts of many were found around his house but they were never able to link them to missing women.

I haven't seen any of the Texas Chainsaw movies, I am looking forward to seeing the new remake.

What really surprises me is that the movie is based on Ed Gein? From my recollection of the book, he never used a chainsaw. I can't see how that came in!

Oh well, I'll go see the movie and hope it's good!

Pixie

[CDN-Cresties]

d/l music is illegal because it is a breach of copyright laws. I would love to read that article though. I almost certain that the US is enforcing the law more so than Canada, but im sure we'll feel the trickle down effect...think about, Canadians d/l the most out of every nation.

-Steve-

[BoAddict]

if its illegal explain the surtax on the cd's that we use to burn on
ask a lawyer copyright laws are not the same here in canada as they are in the states
just because the states says something doesnt mean we follow
the music industry in canada is supposed to be getting the money from the surtax from the cds

mike

[CDN-Cresties]

Does that mean i can go to HMV buy a CD and then burn a copy for all my friends. All this would be legal due to the surtax on CDRs?
Thanks

-Steve-

[Yness]

CDN-Cresties...I think that is taking it to extremes. If you aren't selling the copies to your friends there might not be a problem...I think that the legallity is more for personal use...for example i buy a cd but only have a walkman so i make a copy of the cd onto tape so i can use the walkman...btw the surcharge is on all tapes, cd etc

[BoAddict]

just because something is legal doesnt mean that its morally right
i havent dl anything in months , your arguing a point with no facts behind you i stated my source was an article in the toronto star explaining the whole thing wish id kept the article so i could copy it word for word
try finding a lawyer that knows his stuff and he will tell you

ok so i guess recording movies off tv should be illegal too or if you pick up a newspaper that you didnt buy, and read it ,then you are infringing on so called papers copyright as you never paid for it

mike

[katev17]

Hmmm... texas chainsaw massacre... debate on media legality issues... texas chainsaw massacre... debate on media legality issues...

Give me a minute, I'm still figuring it out...

Kate

[Greg West]

Im going to see the premier tonight. I will let you all know how it is..


Greg West

[CDN-Cresties]

BoAddict,

just because something is legal doesnt mean that its morally right

I couldnt agree more!!!

your arguing a point with no facts behind you i stated my source was an article in the toronto star

By stating it was article on the toronto star doesnt truly represent a source. Im not doubting that this article was it the paper, im just stating that i could have said, "well i read in the toronto sun that blah blah blah" Would you believe me then...NO you wouldnt because the source doesnt have enough detail to trace it back..Yea yea i know that you didnt see this dicussion coming so there fore you wouldnt have thought to save the article.

ok so i guess recording movies off tv should be illegal too or if you pick up a newspaper that you didnt buy, and read it ,then you are infringing on so called papers copyright as you never paid for it

Thats taking it to the extreme.

Yness,

I just brought up that question because i wasnt sure on the point
BoAddict brought up.


Anyway, thats all i got to say. :)

-Steve-

[Sunrunner]

I always fing it funny how these forums always manage to get soooo off topic LOL, thats good though nothing like a little debate to rile the locals. I say we put all the ppl d/l music in a room with leather face and make a new movie Cyberpirate chainsaw massacre. LOL It will be a block buster!

[CDN-Cresties]

Lets do it...lol :D

-Steve-

[Aaron_S]

Originally posted by katev17
If anyone's ever seen House of 1000 Corpses (Rob Zombie) .... (btw, if you haven't seen it, don't) ... it's a total ripoff of TCM.
Kate

That is the whole point of the movie. Rob Zombie thought there hasn't been a good horror movie since the first Texas Chainsaw Massacre came out. So he went and made his own. Such a creative guy.

[Aaron_S]

Originally posted by Pixie

Although he was only convicted of two murders, it is rumored that he killed over a dozen women. Body parts of many were found around his house but they were never able to link them to missing women.

What really surprises me is that the movie is based on Ed Gein? From my recollection of the book, he never used a chainsaw. I can't see how that came in!



Actually he only did kill two people. And all the body parts were from the graves he had robbed. I won't go on about him as this IS a family site.

Now the movie is loosely,VERY loosely based on Ed Gein. The movie itself isn't based off of him. The character Leatherface is based off Geins. And only a small part of Leatherface is taken from Geins and that is his mask made out of human skin.

[katev17]

Don't forget the phrase 'Based on a true story'... meaning... someone killed someone... so they based a movie on that.

I think the only thing worse than watching Rob Zombies' 'House of 1000 Corpses' was watching it while sitting beside a guy with a Rob Zombie shirt and matching hat... who also smelled a little like he's been living in a house with 1000 corpses....

Kate

[Thorn07]

The story contrary is not based on Ed Gien liek many people presumeably think. Its based on an actual account of Texas history or urban myth based long before the inccedents of Ed Gien. The legend goes that it happened but was covered up by the goverment or local law enforcement because they were in on it, most the time its just the local law enforcement. These people lived somwhere in counrty on a huge plot of land near a small bum ****ed town in the middle of texas inbtween midland and dallas. It was an old man[which charistics are surprislingly like to that of Ed gien] and his two sons one of which was ********. They would dig up peoples bodies and then make stuff from the skin and what not. Then when somones came across their land and saw the house they were kiled the family ate them they started to put booby traps on the land and get strangers who came on their land. They used the meat to make a chili they entered in the local fair and won their secret got around the whole town of freaky poeple were in on it. So dont go on people land that you dont know[big thing in rural texas} is the moral story there. Whether the storyis actually true or not I do not know but thats a summary of the urbn legend that has been told forever in texas or where i'm from. Another version sais they all went to prison and letherface escaped on the way and is now seen on the roads inbetween midland and dallas hitch hikingnew moral dont pick up hitch hikers!!!

[crucified]

i see aaron knows his stuff.. good job :)
saves me explaining stuff.. haha..

[paul vader]

Amen....no hitch-hiking....and downloading free stuff is o.k. to me until the over-payed Canadian government can find a tax for typing band names and blinking ...(what the f....??) lol...P.S. they got my tax money from my computer purchase...go rob Bill Gates, Jean!!! lmao!!!!

[Thorn07]

In the urban legend I've heard since I was 3 a chainsaw was never used either and leatherface wasnt called so its just so obvios the connection between him and the ******** son. The Ed gien stroy seems alot alike the urban legend but I'm sure the legend came first maybe he heard it and thats where he got his ideas. I also have done lots of research on gien and[a trailer for the movie just came on my tv SO KOOL] I know the whole stroy i'm sure there is a connection i dont beleive in coincedences.

[Thorn07]

it keeps blamking put r-e-t-a-r-t-e-d- i dotn know why its not a bad word i mean somone is mentally reatarted thats not badd to say i mean its not offensive. but thats what it keeps blanking out

[katev17]

It IS offensive, in some cases more than others... it's not proper at all and over the years has become a very derogatory term. It's obviously offensive if it's being blanked out, so it's best that it be left alone...Choose another word, maybe?

Kate

[Aaron_S]

No,the movie IS NOT based anything remotely real except for the part with Ed Gein. The whole urband legend is just that an urban legend....they say it is based off a true story but it is not. It is to get better ratings and a better turn out.

Sucks to be you Kate if you got stuck sitting next to a guy like that.

Now saying "Based on a true story" doesn't actually tell us what part of the movie is real or not. I say none of it really happened. Producers might just say that with very lil actually being real to like I said,boost viewings.

[stkkts]

Aaron is the first person to being close to right. First of all, it does not say "based on a true story" IT SAYS "Inspired by a true story" Meaning, the writer was sitting in his house, saw something about Ed Gein on the news, and decided to write his own story about a killer.

Its just marketing. Plain and simple.

And you know how I know it isnt based on any Texas urban legend? Watch any interview with the producer, writer, or director, and they talk about how it was "inspired" by the ed gein events.

And the Ed Gein movie,....it sucked. You could see dead people breathing.

[Aaron_S]

Originally posted by Thorn07
The Ed gien stroy seems alot alike the urban legend but I'm sure the legend came first maybe he heard it and thats where he got his ideas. I also have done lots of research on gien

I don't get what you are saying...if you HAVE done your research then you would notice that he subscribed to magazines that were all about cannibals and head shrinking. He didn't get his ideas from an urban legend! He is a sick and twisted individual who thought to do this stuff.
I won't list what he has done....kinda gross.

[stkkts]

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/allposters/06/1808412006p.jpg

Inspired. Not based. Big difference.

[Aaron_S]

Thanks stkkts

[Matt_K]

"Inevitably, the 'BASED ON A TRUE STORY' doesn't quite hit as hard these days, as Hooper openly admits on the TCM DVD commentary to Daniel Pearl that the real true story is about Ed Gein, which is more or less common knowledge."

I came across an article a few minutes ago about the remake, thought some of you may find it interesting.. If you wanna read the whole article, just go HERE (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0324216/)

[stkkts]

No problem. I graduated college and as a film major, and I hate to see people being duped by crappy movie marketing.

[Thorn07]

How does anyone here have the right to say what ed gien was or what he thought or where he got his ideas inless you are him then you should say in my opnion because thats all it is. All i was saying is that an urban legend that sounds almost identical to the movie has exixted in texas awhile even longer then the story that the movie was origanally based on. MAybe the prodeucers and writers just wanted a reason where they could say based on actual events so they used the Ed gien thing you never know what goes on inthese peoples heads. I read alot about giens and the urban legend and they are laot alike, in the legend it tales of the weird things made from human incraments. I just gave a short summary of basic parts of the tale, when actually told the teller adds details and stuff to make it extra scary to add a personal touch. Whoes to say that Ed didnt hear the legend think that sounds funn and go and do it, maybe the legend is true maybe it was covered up are goverments as ****ed up as it can be and full of cover ups you just never really know. I admitt I dont I'm just giving my opnion and what I know about the subject. I'm sorry for using the R word where I come from no-one thinks of it as offnesive the south is alot diffrient from the north. Again I apologize!!!

[stkkts]

Stop saying "Based on" its not "based on" anything. It doesnt claim to be "based on" anything. Its "inspired by" and that doesnt mean anything. Every story is inspired by something. All forms of creativity are inspired by something. Its just marketing.

[Thorn07]

Fine i'm so sorry for saying based on but i dont see a difference a base is the bottom of something therefore no matter how far fetched from the origanal it was still based on it because it was the base of the thought the base of inspiration.

[Tim and Julie B]

The Urban legand that Thorn07 told sounds a lot like Wrong turn as well. The based Horror movies are based on the weird urban myths.

By the way no body spend any money what so ever to see House of the Dead it is more cheesy then Blood sucking Nazi Zombies from Hell, Pigs and all those old movies combined. Don't even rent it! It is a *hitty movie.

[ReptiZone]

you got that right I stayed for 30 min then I walked out and demanded My money back I got 2 free passes.

the movie is based on a game made by sega need I say more eber 15 min there is a snape shot a video game screan it is purly scrap it is not worth the film it was recorded with.

[Thorn07]

I was talking about zombies movie, but I was going to house of the dead tomorrow and now I won't so thnx for that one to.

[Tim and Julie B]

Dahm I wish I had known it was based on a video game before I went.
Trust me you've made a good decision. Watch your money burn would be a better use for it then seeing that not even a C movie.

[Thorn07]

I knew it was about a game but tomb raider was good and so was resident evil.

[Siretsap]

How about the movie of Bill Gacey. I found it pretty good. Was more down to earth than other based on a true story ones.

[Melly18]

"The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was taken far more accurately from the life of Ed Gein, although director Tobe Hooper invented a whole family to be responsible for the heinous crimes that, in reality, were the work of just one man."

If you want to read the whole article go here.... Article (http://www.edgeinthemovie.com/story/index.html)

[Matt_K]

I've watched Gein, Gacey, Dahmer and Bundy.. I've yet to watch one that could really keep my interest in the movie.. I find it interesting what made these guys tick, and its interesting to see it on screen, but the acting is just sooo horrible.. And in Gacey, it takes soo long to get to anything good, as with the others. I believe it was Bundy (correct me if im wrong, im half asleep) but him walking up to women and just hitting em over the head with something in broad daylight and putting em in his car was just hilarious.. The people at Blockbuster looked at me funny when i went in and rented these movies on the same day :P i wonder why.. hmmmmm..

[ReptiZone]

Well I finaly saw it man what a wait it is the best horror filck sines I was 4-5. It is a 80's style movie but with 20th century graphics.
And when you see the movie you quickly realise that it is not based on Ed Gains.

they have Video footage of the place it hapend the Actual House taken from the Police video archives it was clasifide Info for so long but now it was seen. The reason I know it was not based on Ed gains died in a mental Hospital and his case was closed but this story to thois day still remainse open as a cold case.

If you have a strong stomack go and see the movie here in Montreal we are lucky that the age to get in was only 16 but it realy should have ben a 18+ movie but that is just me.

I will not spoile the movie and hope others wount eaither.
To me it is the best thing since slised bread. And for thows that saw the original go see it any way it has and alternet ending and has some realy graphic added scenes a MUST SEE for all thows Horror fans out there. and that includes you Ohh christina...LOL

[Thorn07]

I just got back from seeing it, it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good i totally agree with chondro. One thing that did come to mind is "How big is the fking gas tank on that chainsaw" din't anybody else wonder? In all it was a great movie and they had actual film from the actual thing and it was in texas.

[Corey Woods]

I saw it yesterday and it was a good movie!

Corey

[Removed_2815]

Greetings all,

Just a few corrections, very nit-picky things but I had to study true-crime for a long time in University resulting in my inability to resist a post like this:

There is no serial killer by the name of Bill Gacey, there was, however, the alluringly deranged fellow "Pogo the Clown" AKA John Wayne Gacey.

Indeed, Mr. Bundy, did hit women with a blunt object and abducted them in his car. His ploy was that of a disabled man in need of assistance. Reportedly, when a woman came to his aid he struck her with his arm or leg (which he kept in a cast) *you will note the parallel in this tactic in Silence of the Lambs*

The ghoul from Plainfield, Wisconsin is Ed Gein, not Gain or Gains or any other derivation thereof (note also, Ed is not a serial killer as he murdered but two women).

The most intriguing killer is Albert Fish (IMO), not so much for the magnitude of his killings (or lack thereof) but due to his perversions. Anyone interested should read some of Harold Schechter's work on unfolding the deep chasms that are the minds of these people.

Fun fact: My nit-picky ways came to an interesting culmination when I noticed a misquote in American Psycho (fabulously dark book, mediocre film adaptation). Some may recall the scene where the main character (Patrick Bateman) is regaling his group with a quote from Ed Gein (about what Ed apparently thinks to himself when he sees a pretty woman) when in fact the man that uttered this line in a magazine interview was Edmund Kemper.

As is evident, there is a lot of misconception and confusion surrounding this taboo topic. But like all things taboo, it must be discussed and analyzed in order to be understood.

Finally, it is noted that Thomas Harris, Tobe Hooper and Alfred Hitchcock have all confessed that Ed Gein was the inspiration for the characters in their respective books/films, it is up to you to decide what is meant by inspired.

Regards,
RMB

[V.hb]

Don't get into Fish.. Now thats twisted stuff!! Albert Fish is one disturbing SOB. RM, ever read the letter he wrote to his first victims mother? disturbing, very very disturbing.....

[Removed_2815]

I read the letter to Grace's mother to an audience during a presentation four years ago (it was requested that I refrain from "holding back" in my seminar - I didn't hold back).
Ryan

[Aaron_S]

V.hb,I don't think Grace was his first victim.

Also,RMB,you are correct that Ed Gein is NOT a serial killer by the definition of a serial killer. BUT if you are to look for him on some crime web pages he is listed under serial killers.

[V.hb]

It was the first victim.. He had never murdered before, however he did do many henious and perverted acts..

[katev17]

If you haven't seen the original, I'd suggest you see it, too... (My brother is an insane movie critic, and he said that the new one was managed to be made boring, so if you liked the new one, maybe you'll LOVE the old one...)

The old one is awesome, I haven't seen the new one.... yet.... I'm hoping to get out and see that and Kill Bill this weekend.

Kate

ps - I'm still waiting to hear from someone that's gone to rent The Grudge ..... :|

[Linds]

LOL Mike and I saw it the other day with my friend and her bf. I swear she had the next chainsaw situation waiting to happen next to her. Some crazypants was laughing, swearing, giggling, mumbling constantly through the whole thing... in addition to which he kept staring at her, punching air, and punching the seats :eek: :p

[Tim and Julie B]

Hahaha Thorn07! That's exactly what Tim was thinking too. That movie kicked arses and I would even go to the theater again to see it. Very twisted story. I wonder if they will re-make the sequel-Leatherface? That'd be cool:D

Julie