View Full Version : What morph would you say???
drewlowe
10-10-03, 08:57 PM
I know what i would say she was but i would like other peoples opinions. Thanks all!!!
http://ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1695siren_close_up_3_redo.jpg
http://ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1695sirens_toe_2_redo.jpg
she looks a bit like mine but im not sure of the morph of mine either sorry.
I'd say high yellow reduced pattern!
Zoe
I'd have to say high yellow reduced as well, doesn't quite have that orange colour of a tang except on the legs and a bit on the tail.
SnowSnake
10-10-03, 11:35 PM
I'd say reduced spotting. Because high yellow is only a term that some people use because they want their leos to be a morph. Very nice leo :) I like the head :D
Tim and Julie B
10-11-03, 10:55 AM
High yellow, reduced spot. The reason why the high yellow term is used is because there is no dark pigment on the hind legs. Very pretty leo:D
Julie
hi yellow reduced pattern!
SnowSnake
10-11-03, 01:44 PM
no spots on the hind legs is only hypo guys! the amount on black is due to the melanine and has nothing to do with the xantic pigments. So it cant be high yellow (hyper xantic) because it has fewer melanine.
Siretsap
10-11-03, 02:02 PM
I just find it to be a normal with a small amount of orange, but not enough to be called a tang.
no spots on the hind legs is only hypo guys! the amount on black is due to the melanine and has nothing to do with the xantic pigments. So it cant be high yellow (hyper xantic) because it has fewer melanine.
No one is claiming high yellow to mean hyper axanthic. The term "high yellow" means that there is more yellow on the body, not a higher concentration of axanthic pigment in the skin. For example, if you were to call a carpet python 'high yellow', it wouldn't be BRIGHTER yellow, it would just have less black and so more yellow area.
In this case, high yellow refers to more yellow skin on the legs, so in other words an absence of black pigment on the legs.
Zoe
Siretsap
10-11-03, 02:18 PM
I always tought high yellow was brighter yello as in hyper x...
But it's still a nice gecko, no doubt about that.
Well, pretty much ALL leopards now are high yellow. So whether you use high yellow as meaning bright yellow, or as having no dark pigment on their legs; the two go hand in hand (if a leo has no dark pigment on its legs, it's probably bright too!) and so you will probably be right! The true definition, though, is having no dark pigment on the legs.
Zoe
Siretsap
10-11-03, 02:22 PM
Sad, I just sold a baby I had. had many many many dark spots, could have given a very dark morph a few generations down. Worst part, is I sold it to someone who will prob never reproduce it.
You mean a melanstic? I wouldn't worry too much, there isn't much of a market for them (well, i certainly hope someone is working on producing an all-black leo that isnt a mignight blizzard because i think those are ugly ;))
Zoe
Tim and Julie B
10-11-03, 02:45 PM
Hypo refers to the body spots. Hi-yellow is the lack of spotting on the hind legs.
This has been taken out of context so many times...
A high yellow does not have to be an animal lacking dark pigment on it's legs.
It is stated in the leopard gecko manual that a good way to distiguish high yellow hatchlings from others is that they may have no black on their back legs.
Somehow, since this was printed, readers have decided that for an animal to be high yellow it must have no black pigment on the legs....
High yellow animals are just leos with larger amounts of brighter yellow pigmentation and possibly reduced spotting.
I had a leo that was practically neon yellow, and spotted. She had spots on her hind legs. No one will convince me she wasn't high yellow because she had spots on her legs!
reptilesalonica
10-11-03, 07:02 PM
Of course i will agree with Youkai. Because today we see many yellowish leos, that doesn't mean that we could call it a...normal...noway guys.
I have the same but mine is high yellow-reduced pattern-tang tail.
~Greg~
SnowSnake
10-12-03, 07:31 AM
I agree with youkai. Some leos do have spots on the hind legs and are very bright so they should be called high yellow.
As for the spots on the hind legs; if there are no black spots on the leos' hind legs the yellow will seem brighter but it's only because the leo doesn't have black to make the yellow look less bright.
hypo refers to the body spots
So a leo with spots on its' legs but super hypo body would be called super hypo? I don't think so, cause the legs are considered part of the body for hypo.
reptilesalonica: This leo is simply a hypo. All regular leos have that amount of orange on their tails, only since yours has a regen tail the orange is dispersed on it. It's still a hypo.
Tim and Julie B
10-13-03, 03:57 AM
Guess someone should re-write the book on patterns. Thing is, with so many breeders anyone can call anything by any name and it will still be a controversy. This conversation was brought up a while ago and everyone agreed then, what's changed now? lol Hmm...guess breeders need to update their "titles" again.:D
SnowSnake
10-13-03, 08:20 AM
lolll we do need a book on morphs and patterns :D
looks like mine... mine was supposed to be a normal.
So a leo with spots on its' legs but super hypo body would be called super hypo? I don't think so, cause the legs are considered part of the body for hypo
lol and what, the tail and head aren't considered a part of the body??
And yup, Greg, that's just high-yellow recuded pattern. Having a few flecks of orange on its tail is normal.
Zoe
SnowSnake
10-13-03, 03:33 PM
lol thats not what I meant Zoe :P
What I meen is that when you see a super hypo he usually has no spots on the back and legs but it is still considered super hypo if it has spots on the head and tail.
<img src="http://www.hqreptiles.com/available/tangf4.jpg">
Yeah... but I think if a leo had NO spots on its back, and a few on its legs, it would still be a super hypo. Obviously if its legs were covered with spots no one would label it as a super hypo... but I dont think that problem comes up too often :)
Zoe
Guess someone should re-write the book on patterns. Thing is, with so many breeders anyone can call anything by any name and it will still be a controversy. This conversation was brought up a while ago and everyone agreed then, what's changed now? lol Hmm...guess breeders need to update their "titles" again.
I know what you mean. I've seen this all come up plenty of times. The thing is, and I swear, this high yellow thing was never such a controversy until that book was published and tons of people took it the wrong way. Until then high yellows were just that - really, really yellow animals. It became such controversy this way:
Some people read the book wrong. Decided high yellows were animals with all yellow hind legs, based on what they mis-read. People new to leos never double checked where people got this info from...and boom.
Quote right out of the leo manual (the one many people misinterpreted. I guess our public schools are failing, eh?):
" 'High Yellows' can be determined at hatching by examining the hind legs. If the femur...is entirely all yellow...in color then the neonate will become a 'high yellow'. This recognition tool is very useful for selecting favored animals."
The definintion of high yellow in the book?
"A gecko of extremely bright yellow or gold background coloration with any pattern phase."
Oh, I've also got another book here, published in '94 by TFH. There is a picture of a gecko that I'd still love to have in a hypo group today! It is the single color variation/morph mentioned in the book.
"An incredible leopard gecko with reduced spotting and intense yellow color. "High yellow" specimens are the goal of many breeders."
It's the kind of gecko I wish I saw more of...and I actually really want one like it. The whole body is bright golden yellow (including the head) but it still has a fair amount of spots.
All the other geckos in the book are normal colored leos. I mean, go-out-in-the-wild-and-catch-some-leos-and-that's-what-they-look-like kind of color.
I'm done for now. ;)
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