Bicept size guys... or girls...

[Solid Snake]

Hey after 3 months of working out, i was curious on how big my bicepts are. So i took a string and measured around it and its 13". it was about 7" before...

hehe i know its kind of a stupid topic but hey, i was dieting for quite awhile, theres results now :)

blah i gained a few pounds, im 160

[MouseKilla]

I have no idea. My philosophy is to not lift anything unless I'm paid well to do it so keep workin out, drinkin protein shakes and when you get the big arms keep them too. I'll keep the big d*ck and worry about lifting that! LOL!!!

[mykee]

You know what? If your arms went from 7" to 13" in just a few months of working out, you are a freak of nature. That would require at least 4 or 5 pounds of muscle to be added JUST to your arms. That's a physical impossibility. The chemically un-enhanced body, can only add between 8-12 pounds of lean muscle tissue a year. I would consider donating your body to medical science. I used to work out years ago. Until I realized that there was more to life than muscle shirts and grunting with other guys... I remember when I started my arms were about 11" and they are 18.5" now. That was from hitting the gym 5 days a week, for 1.5 hours per workout, for 12 years straight. Though, regretfully, I am covered with a layer of protective fat now.........

[Yve]

mine are around 12" flexed...i've been working our for a year now...and due to a serious motorcycle accident I met with 2 years ago I was able to get a personal trainer paid for by my insurance for about 8 months of that time.....when I look at pics of myself at the beginning of the training I was a stick figure.
I'm not an ego maniac but damn it feels good to flex them muscles right after a brutal work out.....the swell up about an 1" bigger than they really are! So does my head!lol!

[doenoe]

it isnt wierd that you gain weight. Muscles way more then fat and since you are makin your muscles bigger, thus heavier, you gain weight :D

[mykee]

In fact, muscle weighs 6 times more than fat.

[Siretsap]

lol I really don't know if you are trying to prove something, but bicep size doesn't mean much. Mine are at the moment at about 19 inches. I use to have some 28 ones, but haven't been training for at least 2 years.

But the size doesn't matter, strongness is more impressive, like let's say how much can you bench or how much pressure have you got in your grip. I got a good 160 pounds pressure in my right hand. And 172 pounds pressure in my left one.

[Solid Snake]

im just raving on how much i gained thats all. just glad since i was dieting too, which sucks cuz i work in a restaraunt with free food!! cheese cakes, n chinese food... but i just drank shakes... pssh

[mykee]

Used to have 28 inch arms, eh? Well, you should contact Guinness, cuz right now, the biggest arms in the world are owned by Denis Sester at 30.75". 28"? I'm doubting that VERY much. To put 28" into perspective, a basketball is 30-ish inches around.

[Solid Snake]

is that from top to bottum? or from all around?

[MouseKilla]

With such big muscles you can have a promising career in roofing or furniture moving! Can someone explain what the need for swollen muscles is? When I see a guy who looks like he spends his life in a gym I wonder what he's trying to compensate for. I mean, how down on yourself do you have to be to want to walk around looking like someone jammed an air hose up your *ss?

[Siretsap]

from all around, not sure how it would be from top to bottom.
if you meant from top to bottom, no way I was 28 inch, was from all around

[Yve]

"I used to work out years ago. Until I realized that there was more to life than muscle shirts and grunting with other guys..."

there's more to life than working out for THAT reason! I'll agree with that...but since I started working out my cardio has improved, my energy has improved, I'm less stressed, I sleep better, I work harder(cause I have more strength and energy).
Its all around a positive thing to do for oneself and thats a super reason!:)

"When I see a guy who looks like he spends his life in a gym I wonder what he's trying to compensate for."

Maybe some do it cause they were twigs and picked on as kids...but I think it has a snow ball affect...the better you feel and look the more you want to improve....there's nothing wrong with having a good self-image. It takes a lot of discipline to stick to a program...you can't dog someone for that.

"I mean, how down on yourself do you have to be to want to walk around looking like someone jammed an air hose up your *ss?"

I agree with that....it does go straight into some peoples heads and they just want to look big, mean and tough....what makes me laugh is the guys that walk with their arms out and chest all puffed up like a proud peacock but the muscles aren't there to support the stance!LOL

[Jeff_Favelle]

Ha ha, mine are only 16! I'm a goddamn pipe-cleaner!! LOL.

But the real question is, what's your time in the 40? 4.5 my friends. Read it an weep. That's all the football scouts care about. Curls are for girls.

ha ha, trask talk - over.

[honduranfreekk]

I,am just a wee guy lol LMFAOOO@ Jeff you go bro hahahahaa

[unknownclown]

haha mousekilla you are way too funny!!!!!!!!

[herpetological]

Guess i'm just lucky?? 5'9" 182 16" biceps never worked out??? No beer gut either! LOL! Just turning 40 27th. I'm sure it's all downhill from here! thanks Ray G. HBR

[SCReptiles]

21"

[Linds]

I honestly have no idea how big mine are. Soon as I find a measuring tape I will give it a go 'cause now I'm curious. They have grown a bit, but I still think they are gonna be miniature compared to everyone else. I'm very strong for my size though... people underestimate me. I used to work out at the gym a couple years ago but it only lasted a few months because my grandfather passed so I lost access to it, so I don't even count that. I have been doing 1 hour of pilates daily however for about 5 months, and still wasn't satisfied so in the past month I have included weights in to my daily workout as well as put myself on a high protein diet.

[TheRedDragon]

My biceps flexed are 11 inches around...not bad for a woman eh? :D

[gonesnakee]

Sounds like a ROID MONKEY thread to me. Unfortunately with swollen muscles, usually come swollen heads. I say bring on the "Meat Puppets" I'll still kick their @sses (heh heh) It ain't the size of the "pipes" that matters its whose in charge of the "plumbing"LOL Mark I.

[Sunrunner]

Why is it that a guy that works out is trying to compensate for something but a woman that works out" good for her", there are alot of people out there that make a very good living on their muscles. I think that you should be proud of your growth. My husband works out almost every day and is a personal trainer he is just about the smartest person i know that knows about that stuff.

[Vanan]

Aah Mark! Finally someone with more brains than brawns! lol :D

*ducks*

[Scales Zoo]

Ryan 18''
Sheila 13.5''
Sarge 15''

I've heard that Chuck has the biggest arms on the forum. And I can almost hear him say that in a Randy Savage voice "Whatcha gonna do, when the biggest arms at ssnakess.com....."

Wrestlers are so cute
Ryan

[Vanan]

lol!

[foman]

i'm strong to the finish cause i ate my spinach.

[MouseKilla]

There actually aren't too many people that make good money from muscles, personal trainers and pro wrestlers are the exception. Let's face it, people don't bulk up to make money, besides how big are Bill Gates biceps? If you can make money from being big I can respect that, it's the ego stroking that I laugh at. What is the average juice monkey trying to convince the rest of the world to think of him? That he's a tough guy? That's just funny. To start with tough guys are a dime a dozen and being big and tough alone will get you nowhere in life except maybe jail. Besides, it's not muscles that make someone dangerous with their hands, it's technique and aggression. I'd put money on 5'2" Jet Li against any no-neck havin, juice pumpin, heart attack case any day. Like I said before, you keep the big biceps, I'll keep the big pipe! LOL!

[Jeff_Favelle]

That's just funny. To start with tough guys are a dime a dozen and being big and tough alone will get you nowhere in life except maybe jail.

I totally agree. Know what's even funnier? Is that most of those guys just have "beach" muscles and they aren't even good athletes. I mean, have you ever tried to play hockey or volleyball with a guy who's freakishly muscle-bound? They suck. They are usually compensating for lack of talent. I played University and Junior football and single A baseball and 9 times out of 10, after the first week of training camp or spring training, all the dudes with weight-room bodies were gone. I mean, what's the point of getting huge if it doesn't even make you better athletically? Vanity? If that's the case, then that's just sad.

Looking good is one thing. For sure. I agree with that. But I can throw a football 55 yards. If having 25" arms doesn't make me throw it any further (actually, it will hinder my mechanics), then what is the point?

Muscles look cool, but that's about it.

[Linds]

Originally posted by MouseKilla
What is the average juice monkey trying to convince the rest of the world to think of him? That he's a tough guy? That's just funny.

Why do you think they are trying to prove anything to anyone? Is everything you do to try to prove something to someone else? Can one not do something for themselves? Of course some are trying to look a certain way for other people, or to try to "be tough", but there are also a lot who do it for themselves... a true passion... just like us and our snakes. My boyfriend is at the gym 5 days a week, and him and his gymrats don't do it for anyone but themselves... in fact some people I know of have even been left by their significant others because of their workout habits... I can also say the same about snakekeepers. I know I sure don't keep reptiles to prove anything to anyone. I think that was a very poor generalisation.

Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
I mean, what's the point of getting huge if it doesn't even make you better athletically? Vanity? If that's the case, then that's just sad.


What's sad about wanting to look good? I personally hate most sports, but I work out because I like to have a 6 pack, I like to be stronger, I like to be fitter. I like the way it makes me look and I like the way it makes me feel.

Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
I mean, what's the point of getting huge if it doesn't even make you better athletically?


ath·let·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-ltk)
adj.
1.Of or befitting athletics or athletes.
2.Characterized by or involving physical activity or exertion; active: an athletic lifestyle; an athletic child.
3.Physically strong and well-developed; muscular: an actor with an athletic build. See Synonyms at muscular.

Athletics is not all about running fast and the like. Athletics involves a variety of activities, any of which involve physical exertion. Iron Man Competition is indeed an athletic competition, it doesn't involve throwing a football or hitting a ball with a stick. Athletic nonetheless. A basketball player probably couldn't pull a truck or lift a fraction of what a bodybuilder can, in the same a bodybuilder most likely cannot jump or run the same as a basketball player... each is just as athletic, and each have their own merits.

[Lisa]

I don't exercise as much as i should, or maybe i do, four flights of stairs to get to our apt. not fun with groceries. now to bad it doesn't do anything for my waistline.

[Neo]

weigh 125 bench 155 but my arms only 12" hehe

as for everyone's response asking why a guy would wanna get buffer.. i used to be the tiniest little skinny kid and ppl would pick on me and i wasnt able to participate in some athletics i was interested in. weight lifting helps alot and also builds self esteem

[marisa]

Working out or doing ANYTHING for someone else is not a good thing. If you are overweight but happy with yourself, thats amazing and thats all that matters. What YOU think.

If someone works out HUGE and is REALLY fit and they feel good about themselves, thats also an awesome thing.

In life the people I like are the people who do things or look a certain way because thats how THEY like themselves. People who do things for others or who care about what other people think are losers IMHO. Everyone is different. Some of us are overweight, some of us are small, some of us never lift weights etc. As long as you are happy with yourself in whatever you are doing, thats what really counts IMHO.

Marisa

[hip]

I got into pumping iron way back in the middle of the 80's cause I wanted to play football and was too small(hey Jeff 5.0 40 at 15 years old so there) over the next ten or so years I got into power lifting and gained 100 pounds or so At my largest(dont ask me what protien shakes I drank) I weighed 260 lb or so and I stand 5'8" at that time my arms were about 21 inches or so it was not about size it was about power. In 99 I was in the best shape I had ever been in 235-240 lbs with low body fat (had a four pack and a half) I had my neck fractured in a car crash and had to stop training. I still go 225 and have kept a lot of strength from those power days, but now my joints are sore a lot. So watch out how much you lift and protect your joints and most imporant keep your hair.




Hip

[TheRedDragon]

Very well said Marisa, I agree with you 100%.

[Jeff_Favelle]

There's a huge difference in being fit and adding lean muscle tissue etc etc than the type of people I was talking about. I was talking about the EXTREME people (ie juice monkeys) who would strut into training camp thinking that they owned the place, only to be gone 5 days later with cramps, muscle pulls, fatigue, etc etc. It was funny. I admire people with talent and natural ability. I don't care if you go to the gym 10 days a week and your biceps have little biceps. Vanity never sat well with me. And it never will.

[Andy_G]

I think juicing is dumb. Working with what you have is the way to go and theres nothing good about substance abuse.

My arms are 22" when flexed. I won't say what I bench because people will slander me and think i'm lying but I will say I've been power lifting for a few years. ;)

[J-Man]

Marisa... EVERYBODY cares what other people think. I guarantee it. You find somebody that you think doesn't care about what other people think and put them out on a deserted island and I guarantee they will act/talk/dress/eat/whatever different.

[marisa]

That's BS.

You are telling me that if I personally like to do something but because other people might think its lame or stupid I won't do it? Sorry that's not the kind of person I am. If you are, sucks to be you. Not me.

If I like something, I do it. I don't give a flying you know what, what anyone thinks of it. If I don't like something, I'll say I dont like it and if some doesn't agree, thats nice its their opinion.

And I have no clue what you are talking about in regards to putting someone on a desert island. Are you saying I enjoy beef because other people do? Or I enjoy wearing the color blue because someone makes it? I wear and eat and do what I LIKE. Period.

I do not hang out with people who are constantly obsessed with the trends, I do not hang out with people who live their life so other people think they are sucessful. I hang out with people who do what THEY like. If that happens to be what other people also like, thats fine. But when it comes to someone acutually caring about how they look so someone else will find them attractive, thats stupid. Don't get me wrong, we all like to look nice. But I certainly wouldn't stop dying my hair because someone else might think its stupid, or not get tattoos because some people think they are trashy. Those types of people, who are obsessed with others, are lame and losers in my eyes. They waste time being obsessed with who has what and that is sooooooo ********.
Marisa

[Yve]

wow.....i thought we were here only to brag about our biceps....lol...on a light note of coarse:)....i think that people DO care what people think but its when you succumb to trying to impress others instead of yourself to make people like you then you are selling out on your life....i care what people think of me....i want people to like me...no one wants to be hated or judged.....but they better like me as i am...or else.....j/k....

[paul vader]

well. I've heard all your whines and moans about others working out...I don't care. When I'm at the gym and I see a girl like Yve walk by...I pick up the biggest goddamn weight I can find whether I actually curl it or not...(then I go back to my 10 pound weight and curl 5 reps and grab a beer...) THAT'S a real work out routine...those kids who spend hours in a gym just to impress others....lol...lol...and...lol...

[Yve]

riiiiiight.....that was a gratuitous post if anything Paul....I know you've got your honeys at the gym!lol......we aaaaalllll do:flick:

[marisa]

Yes that's true Yve, we all DO in fact want other people to like us, but what you mentioned is exactly how I feell.....thats fine until it turns into trying to make people like you or do something so a certain person/people will be friends with you. That's what I call being a loser.

But yes, nothing to do with biceps- mine, well I am feeble folks. LOL

:D
Marisa

[mykee]

I've been through it all, and I've done it all when it comes to training. Take that as you will, but I definitely see a correlation between age and fitness goals. When I was a 16 year old who weighed 153 lbs. had a decent physique, but wanted to be 'noticed' I hit the gym. I trained 5 days a week, did what I needed to do to become huge. Vanity. I went from 153 to 265 in 4 years. Vanity. Being looked at by the girls and admired by the guys anywhere I went was a great ego-booster. I was benching 335 for reps. My muscles had their own muscles. Why did I want to work out? The answer was simple. Girlies like muscles, it felt good to be in shape, but teh real reason was skirt. And their wasn't a nightclub that I went to that I didn't wear a skin-tight top or NO top to show it all off. It was fun. I had fun, I hope they had fun. You know what? As the years went by, the gym took a backseat to a life. A wife, kids, a house, a good job. Now, at 28, if I hit the gym, it's to be able to stave off a heart attack. Gone is the six-pack, replaced with a whole 2-4. I don't go to the gym for vanity anymore, if I go, it's not to bench 335. It's for personal health. Gaining weight isn't the problem like it was when I was 16, it's keeping it off that's the pisser now. Attitudes change, and for whatever reason you decide to begin an excercise regimen, be it Pilates, Powerlifting, weight training, circuit training, cardio, Tai che for that matter; do it for yourself. There's no better reason.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Paul Vader! HA ha, thanx for making my orange and vodka come back up through my nose!!! Ooohhhh the burning!! :o


My arms are 22" when flexed. I won't say what I bench because people will slander me and think i'm lying but I will say I've been power lifting for a few years.

I'm not messin' with Andy G! No friggin' way! :D

[Jeff_Favelle]

That's a GREAT post mykee. Damn, I always like your posts. You don't talk ANY bull. Cut right to the chase. We could use a lot more people like you in this industry. For sure. Even if we have differing opinions (which is rare), I always respect what you have to say and I always seem to read your posts twice, just to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Good stuff bro! :D

[Piebald Guy]

You do what you do in life for yourself first. If you bodybuild for others you will quit. If you bodybuild to "attract" someone else you deserve what you get. Trust me there's a 99% chance of that.

Steroids are not dangerous contary to popular misconceptions. Everything in moderation. Testostorone (certain esters) are safe and will actually improve your health for the first 12 weeks or so then it flip flops. Side effects (both negative and positive) are determined purely on three aspects.....

Chemical used (what is the steroid ie: test proprionate is VERY safe yet oxymetholone is EXTREMELY unsafe long term. By the way, both are derived from test).

Doseage used (how much you take of it. Only so much test (or any other substance) can be absorbed by the body from the blood stream. The extenuous amounts are just urinated out)

Duration used (how long you take them. The pituitary gland realizes and starts to shut down natural test production about 21 days after you start taking say test which is the most popular and cheapest steroid out there (and effective too)

To sum up in layman's terms. Steroids are like alcohol. You can buy Labbat 0.5% at the grocery store, drink two cases of it and get behind the wheel without problem. Or you can buy Bicardi 151 proof rum (75.5%alcohol by volume) drink four ounces and be BOMBED. Same deal with juice you can buy oxandrolone (Anavar) and stay on it year round without many negative side effects while you can take oxymethonlone (Anadrol) one tablet a day for 21 days and gain 21lbs. I have seen it along with the increadible strength gains. I have also known a 29 year old man that now has bloody leasions in his liver and is garenteed to develop liver cancer within the next few years.

This is a huge topic which took me years to learn. But before I EVER stuck a needle in my bum I found out what I was doing and did it the right way (full blood tests along the way). You should be educated on the topic BEFORE you start. There are too many fools out there like the 29 year old I know that don't have a clue what they are doing to themselves. The only thing they know is I stick myself and I get big and strong. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID

Check my previous posts about car audio. In that situation you just get called a fool and idiot for being ignorant and acting upon what little information be it true or untrue you have. With steroids you ruin your heath and suffer if you act upon ignorant views. I'm not saying you need a master's in chemistry but you should know biochemically what is going on in addition to much more information which is important if you value your body.

When you educate yourself on the topic you find out things which help you such as anabolic steroids only work anabolically for 14 days in the body after that they work anti-catabolically.

Enough typing. Email me if you want more information.

Thx
Dave

Sorry about the spelling mistakes. Lost word on my computer. Stinkin bug.

[mykee]

Amen.

[GI Joe]

Speaking of making money with muscles:

I saw an email years ago that talked about how much money Michael Jordan makes, including how much he made while tieing his shoes, taking a leak ect.

When they went through the entire email they then said that Bill Gates could lose as much as MJ had 100 times over and still not be broke.

Brains, Brawn - I take the brains and buy off the brawny guys girlfriend. LOL

Jeff

[Sunrunner]

Brains vs brawn eh? Well I would hardly consider Mike the representive of brawn but of course brains are more important and after reading these posts I'm doubt;ing a few of you have any brains. Usually people who diss body builders and strength athletes ae lazy, fat ignorant people who find it easier to diss people who work out then actually get in shape themselves...it is they who are compensating for something. All of a sudden every in shape person on earth is using juice and vain. Beliave me there are just as many people as vain about their intellect as there are those vain about their bodies. Bodybuilding is a sport and in my opinion the most demanding/unrewarding sport there is. As for those who think bodybuilders work out toimpress others...get your head on straight...most people don't even like muscular people and every body builder knows it. Your views are rather ignorant. As an excercise professional I say this actually knowing what I'm talking about this is debate I have had with many people, for those of you training and loving it please write me and I can help you out with your program for those of you who think training is an ego thing...throw away your make-up and nice clothes....or are those "just for you"...thats what I thought...shut-up. By the way good point on the juice Piebald Guy although it's a little more complicated then how you made it sound but I know u know that. Anybody need help with training or got questions on juice you can write me. Training is good for you mentally and physically and the rare people who have the body and brains, well the have the best package. Don't diss just because you don't got it. That's not vainity it's envy.

[gonesnakee]

Here's an interesting tidbit. One of my buddies used to have such big pipes that he could no longer wipe his own @ss (& yes he was on the juice to get that big). He used to have to shower everytime after using the washroom because of it. After he got off the juice things went back to normal, but there was a few months where he couldn't do it by himself without showering. I think that some people obviously get too carried away when it comes to the Roids. Another buddy of mine used to bench 450lb when he was on the crap & now 10 years later the guy can barely help ya lift a heavy couch without whining about it. People wonder why I have no respect for Roid Monkeys LOL Mark

P.S. oh I forgot to mention all the time buddy got/did for assaults as a direct result of too much testostrone (sp) in his system & not being able to control those "pipes". Push becomes shove quick when you are all juiced up. Ah strikers & bouncers, gotta love em, not!

[Linds]

Well said, Kim! :D

[Sunrunner]

You would be suprised at how many people use roids not all of them go to the extreme. Nearly every sports player uses roids of one type or another but more then that studies show nearly ten times as many normal trainers then athletes use the juice. I have respect for any that puts in the thousands of hours of work it takes to build a body like that not to mention the strenous diets they go through. There is a alot of people who don't deserve respect roid user or not. I have no respect for people who insult life styles different then their own or people who complain about being fat then stop at the next McDonalds. As for the guy who couldn't wipe his *** well he should have incorperated a stretching program into his training like the rest of us "roid monkeys". Roids make you grow faster and thus your larger muscles tighten restricting flexability the proverbial "muscle bound" easily negated by daily stretching. "Roid Monkey" by the way is pretty insulting considering two guys who are probably better men then you have confessed to using roids on this board already and your calling them monkeys. It seems that unfortunately some people don't have brains or brawn. Many, many chemical using athletes are good hard working people with families and hobbies like anyone else. It's not like you take juice and bam your huge...it's work and dedication and diet and genetics. You don't got it in the genes roids can't give it to you. Anyway I don't want to get into this on a reptile board you got negative crap to say about body builders then say it on getbig.com or keep it to yourself. No one wants to be insulted and no one wants be called a monkey. "Sissy Man" LOL

[Sunrunner]

P.S Mark "roid rage" is a myth your buddy was already an aggressive person the test just like booze gave him the false bravodo to let it out. I nor any of my juice using clients have ever had a roid rage...how about you Dave? Roid rage is bull ****. An excuse for a violent **** head to act out.

[Sunrunner]

By the way these posts were written by Kim's husband, Brent. A trained excersise professional and expert on body building supplemests, training, diest and chemicals.

[GI Joe]

This has been an interesting discussion. I think I'll start giving my ball python steroids. (My lame attempt to bring the discussion back to snakes).

Imagine Chuck's Cane Brake on Steroids or maybe a big Anaconda. Boggles the mind (Small as Sunrunner thinks mine is).

All in good fun friends, all in good fun.

Jeff

[Piebald Guy]

Nope, no real rages. Test is a funny thing. It does work, for everyone, every time, bar none, period (to dispel any myths, testostrone in ethier male or female will definatly produce effects given a few things.... )

Euphoria

Got it within two days of first admisteration. Test cypyonate 200mg/ml, 1 ml every 3 days for 30 days. Goldline. Reasonable dosage. A doctor would give this to almost anyone pre-86, the Ben Johnson affair. And the doctor would prescribe it for 3 months not 30 days. Test gave a real feeling of euphoria. A heightend sence of awareness, happiness, sadness. An enhancement or amplification if you will. This includes aggression.

Aggression

Got that a bit. You need to remember that if something bothers you now then on the sauce it will amplify it. If you lack self control then rages happen. Timid people become more outgoing, shy people start dating more. Again reasonable doseage. I know guys (early 20's) that enjoyed going out to bars to intimidate people. Idiots. They also take approx 1200-1500mg/week of various products (including oxymetholone and test suspension, which I have tried and it elevated my blood pressure (bp) up to 160 over 110 which is pretty high relaxed. Only the suspension not the Anadrol)

Few others like huge temporary sex drive, depression after discontinuation until the body's natural hormonal axis gets back on line and reverse anorexia which is common. I suffer from it as well even to this day and will for the rest of my life.

In short my health was great before, during and after my short experiences. First cylce (200mg/ml test cyp every 3 days for 30 days) gave me 30lbs in the 30 days. From 161lbs at 5'11" to 191lbs. Arms from 12.5" to 16". You must remember the MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS to weight and mustle gains.

Food

I ate 10,000 calories PER DAY. I am exomorphic (thin frame, bones and frame) therefore could never gain weight no matter how much I ate. Six full supper style plates of food per day plus three or four BIG shakes. Gotta eat. Included alot of McD's as well but that's only because of the quick metabolism. Wouldn't recommend it. Same with alcohol. Keep it in moderation

Training

Watch a body builder work out. At the end of the set he's almost puking with exhaustion. There is only so hard you can work out. Unfortuneately that's the way I must always workout, when you do the juice you will train that way and it is almost impossible to stop even if your clean. If your clean you WILL overtrain NO MATTER how much you eat, sleep or have some guy jump up and down telling you, you can. They are LIEING or IGNORANT. Then you will quit the gym and lifting. I did many times and haven't been there in two or three years now. But I did keep ALOT of strength. Can still deadlift 315lbs for a few at any given time. Whatever you are genetically gifted at you will gain INCREADIBLE strength and size. Whatever you are genetically weak at will do the same thing just not to the same degree. It is dramatic, I have excellent genetics for my back and shoulders. I just look at a bottle of juice and my shoulders grow a bigger cap and my back starts getting wider. After you discontinue your genetically gifted mustles will retain ALOT of their stenght for YEARS to come whether you train or not. Whatever you are genetically weak in will lose all that size and strength (well most of the strength) and it is DRAMATIC!!!!

Enought typing for now, agian no ms word so forgive sp mistakes.

Dave

[Sunrunner]

Good points Dave you should join the rest of us "juice monkeys" on GetBig.com but the real point in this thread was solid snakes bicepdevelopment. You did a great job man and don't let anybody get you down or insult what your doing you want to work out and build a good body then do it don't let some fat lazy pricks drag you down alot of people appreciate a good body and by the sounds of your progress you may quite gentically gifted so go with it and make the best body you can and you'll be happier and healthier for it. I garuntee. Like i said you need any help with any aspect of training contact me. Congrats. By the way you must be awful small framed to have started with 7" arms. when I started training mine were 17". Thats probably why they had such dramtic growth...maybe you were very underwieght, plus are you using creatine if so your bi's are probably pumped with water and that would account for alot the huge size. Did the rest of your physique grow that dramtically?

[Snakey Acres]

Any one see Survivor last night? Pretty much sums up my opinion of Muscle freaks!!

[killaclown]

23" around when flexing

[gonesnakee]

Hi all, well this is way too carried away for me & I am just letting ya all no that I'm not trying to degrade you or anything ie: roid monkey its just like I call smokers buttwoofers. I'm here to poke fun & you people who are true to yourselves & your bodies do deserve respect for your efforts. I do think people get way too carried away, like the examples I gave of things I've seen. Thus why I call them guys Roid Monkeys. I do use it as a general stereotypical term here, but I'm here poking fun at ya's so don't be offended too badly. If ya are Oh well lighten up or maybe ya are on too much juice LOL ; ) Mark

[Jeff_Favelle]

have respect for any that puts in the thousands of hours of work it takes to build a body like that not to mention the strenous diets they go through.

I have even more respect for the people who are actually making a difference in the world and trying to make things easier for the less fortunate, rather than worrying about how cut-up they are that week.

But just my opinion. And the inherant beauty of my opinion is that it predetermines me not to care about any reply. :D

[stkkts]

damn, I missed this whole conversation. anyway, 216 lbs, 18 inch arms (flexed)

And to the person who said 28....BS.

[Sunrunner]

Of course Jeff a person should have respect for people who do good works for others as a christian I am a firm believer but that isn't a reason not to have respect for the accomplishments and work of other pursuits. I believe your taking the topic totally out of context now, it never ceases to amaze me how things can so far off topic on this sight. If a severly overwieght person lost alot of extra pounds and got to a healthy wieght that is a thing to be respected, if an athlete trains his heart and soul out and wins an olympic gold that to is to be respected, if a man builds a business from sctratch through years of hard labour to a point where he is happy with it and successful that deserves respect to. You see respect can be earned through many avenues, unfortunately I think you have stereotyped bodybuilders in the cliche of vain naccisstic ego maniacs, which some are but so are many non-bodybuilders. As a snake owner and thus someone who has to deal with the prejudices associated to reptiles and the stereotypes such animals must suffer I would think you to be above that. Just my opinion. Now just to set matters in perspective for you current Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman and Seven time Mr.Olympia Arnold Schwarznegger both men who were "concerned with how cut up they were" are both outstanding humanitarians who give in abudance both time and money to people that need it. I'm sure you are worried about the quality of your breeding projects just as a body builder is concerned with the quality of their body, there is nothing vain or wrong about that. I have respect for you, you have obviously gone through alot of work to build your business and produce outstanding animals, there no reason why you shouldn't respect someone who has put as much dedication and effort into their body, now is there. I can't change yours or any other person opinion about the body building lifestyle but hopefully by opening you up to what lies beyond the stereotypes you'll change your opinion on your own, if not, no loss to any of us. By the way Stkkts at 216 with 18" pipes, how tall r you? And i think the guy who quated 28"s was a typo.

[lordkovacs]

i agree with mykee...that's too short a time. you on anything? mine are now 16", but that took a while for that to happen.

[mykee]

PiebaldGuy, whether or not you conveniently left this out, I'll make a point to throw it in. When your body receives elevated levels of testosterone, it shuts down, for the most part, it's own 'testosterone factory'. Long story short; when I was 'riding the intermuscular pony' my testicles shrunk down to the size of two black olives that you would find in your greek salad. No joke. What a wonderful side effect. Great converstaion starter. "Hey, if anyone's interested, I can bench 335, but my shnutz are the size of Raisinettes".

[Sunrunner]

And as you convientley left out when you go off the gear (at most 16 weeks) they go back to normal.

[reptile boi]

WOW its only been like a day n ive missed out the whole convo! Anyways, if anyone wanted to know, im 5'8" maybe 5'9" and 140lbs and 11" of pure muscle arms NO FAT :D and another thing is im almost 15 :D. Oh and Mykee, i thought it was only roids that shrunk your meatballs?




Thanks,
Ben

[mykee]

Sunrunner, maybe you should re-read my post again s...l...o...w...l...y...

[stkkts]

sunrunner, Im 5'10. Like it says 216, 18 inch arms. Curl 70 lb dumbells.

And Im a nationally certified personal trainer. Not trying to brag, just letting you know, I actually know what "good form" is. I dont swing the weight, I dont use my back. I actually isolate the muscle. And I dont take any illegal, or legal supplements. All natural.

[Sunrunner]

What is that supposed to mean? Or you just looking to start crap too. You made no mention of the testies returning to normal any where in your post, in fact by the sounds of your post your nuts still are the size of black olives. This is getting ridiculous, you guys wanna talk juice and throw body building facts around like your a bunch of IFBB pros with degrees in biochemistry then bring it to a B.B board...ssnakess is for reptiles wanna talk juice meet me over on getbig.com. Drop this crap, the man did good building up his pipes leave it at that. Go home and insult yourselves in the mirror for awhile. But do it s...l...o...w...l...y so it sinks in. Nuff said. By the way I have four kids so the testies are working fine and I could bench 335 without juice.

[mykee]

Nasty nasty nasty. 'Roid rage?.......Nuff said.

[Sunrunner]

Stkkts,

I am also a nationaly certified trainer (NFSS and CPTN) who did you get your cert from? Also protien, glutamine and creatine are natural substances and thus wouldn't affect your status as a natural body builder.

P.S: I wasn't dissing you or nothing I was just curious how tall you were. If you don't mind me asking what is you B.F %? Right now totally clean for over a year I am 6' 225 lbs at 10 % B.F. My pipes are 19". I use natural legal supplements but not any juice or prohormones. Do you work as a trainer presently?

[Sunrunner]

Sorry Mykee but I haven't used juice in a long while...and I don't need false bravado to stand up for what I think. I don't know how much formal study or experience you have had with gear but your making gear users look bad and it seemed to me like you were making Dave out to seem like he was telling half truths. I could be wrong and if I am I'm sorry but you talk to me like a child, I am far from. Give respect/get respect. It is possible to have a good debate with out getting personal.

[mykee]

Sunrunner, well, lets settle this because this is getting boring. Firstly, the post that you so childishly attacked me for, (the 'black olive' post) was from personal experience. I was not attacking you, but if you feel that I was talking about your small testicles, I was not. Thanks for sharing though. Secondly, my B.F. % come on. No offense (?) but if you have the time to measure your body fat, you need a life. I'm not 16 years old anymore. I'm not even going to justify that ridiculous question with a response. But I'm sure it's higher than yours, just like my maturity level.
Also, do ADULTS really call their arms 'pipes"?

[Sunrunner]

Listen Mykee I was asking Stkkts what his body fat % was as we were talking about stats, sorry if that confused you. Also I have a very full life it takes about 30 seconds to measure B.F. And I never attacked you about anything in fact I have been very mature and reasonable in all my posts. I won't get into a personal debate with you, the things you write give a good reflection on how mature you really are. I came on hear defending Body building but for some reason insist on being haters and prejudice. As a former lifter yourself Mykee I didn't expect it from you. It is quite apparent to anyone reading this thread that you started with me. So don't act like I am immature.

[mykee]

Sunrunner, lets sum up your "mature attitude" as you put:"I have been very mature and reasonable in all my posts." BTW, that's an EXACT quote from you. Let's continue, shall we?...."I'm doubt;ing a few of you have any brains. Usually people who diss body builders and strength athletes ae lazy, fat ignorant people who find it easier to diss people who work out then actually get in shape themselves."
Wow, very mature, let's continue on...."It seems that unfortunately some people don't have brains or brawn."
Yet another stellar comment from Mr. Maturity. I'm liking this, let's go on....""Sissy Man" LOL"
Sounds like like "false bravado", if I've ever heard any..... More! More!"Don't let some fat lazy pricks drag you down."
Wow, it just keeps getting better. Really mature and reasonable so far...."Go home and insult yourselves in front of the mirror."
That one, I'll admit, I liked.
After all those comments from you , you had the unmitigated gall to say:"So don't act like I am immature."

I should have been a lawyer.

[stkkts]

Originally posted by Sunrunner
Stkkts,

I am also a nationaly certified trainer (NFSS and CPTN) who did you get your cert from? Also protien, glutamine and creatine are natural substances and thus wouldn't affect your status as a natural body builder.

P.S: I wasn't dissing you or nothing I was just curious how tall you were. If you don't mind me asking what is you B.F %? Right now totally clean for over a year I am 6' 225 lbs at 10 % B.F. My pipes are 19". I use natural legal supplements but not any juice or prohormones. Do you work as a trainer presently?

Didnt think you were insulting me or anything. Right now my BF is high for me its 13%. 2 years ago I was 190 an 8%. I love the strenght that comes along with weighing so much, but I dont like carrying around the weight. I would like to get back to 200 lbs and 10% BF.

I know all those substances technically fall into the natural category, and I have nothing against them (well protein supplements are BS and a waste of money, but thats just my opinion) I actually really like creatine, but I havent done it in over a year.

I am certified through AFPA, but I am not doing any PT now. I just didnt enjoy doing at much as I thought I would. Working in a gym really made me not want to do my own workouts.


Oh, and Mykee, I dont think his question about BF was out of line or stupid. And what does having a life, have to do with measuring your body fat? Some people work very hard to reach their goals in the gym. They want to know they are seeing results. A scale is useless. Who cares what you weight. If you are burning off fat, and putting on muscle you may actually gain weight. That may be discouraging to a lot of people, because they think it means they are getting fatter. But that couldnt be more wrong. So body fat % is a very good way of measuring progress.

[Sunrunner]

You know Mykee I would think you had something personal against me...listen I'm not gonna go back and forth with you, as far as I know your a 12 year old kid just trying to rile me up. I could go back and forth all day with you but I'm sure anyone who reads these posts from the start will see that I have done nothing but defend bodybuilding and attempt to dispel some unwarranted prejudces. There has been no immaturity invovled you can take my quotes out of context all day long if you like it just makes you look worse. If you got nothing constructive to add then shut up. Pretty simple. Sit like a child and call me immature. It doesn't bother me because I and every person on this site that knows me knows I am far from it. There is a huge difference between a rertort and an insult. By the way I never personally insulted anyone, my comments fat, lazy and ignorant were directed at a group of people who are just that. People who would rather insult someone's hard work then praise them because they are jealous. Seriously I'm done with you, but just so you know your comments about to me about having a "roid rage" or "read it s..l..o..w..l..y" or better yet all your posts in general show just how mature you actually are. It doesn't matter really I don't know you and I don't want to know you anymore. So considered this fininshed. Anybody has any real questions about training contact me anyone wants to be jerk...don't bother.

[mykee]

Sunrunner, I think at this point, it is better to close your mouth, and accept defeat. And if I was a 12 year old, you'd still be outwitted. Your previous posts have spoken VOLUMES about your maturity level. You don't have any foot left it's been shot so many times. I'm done with you, Adieu.

[Sunrunner]

Your sad, man. If you got some serious issues with me or what I've said then you can talk to me privately in person about it. I'm done with you this is just pathetic.

P.S: It is almost hard to believe your serious Mykee

[Jeff_Favelle]

I ain't pickin' sides and this argument has nothing to do with reptile, but:

By the way I never personally insulted anyone, my comments fat, lazy and ignorant were directed at a group of people who are just that

Insulting a group of people is just the same as insulting someone individually. It is STILL an insult.

[Siretsap]

It was a typo, what I wanted to say was I had 18 inch before and since I stopped working out at a gym and only workout at home and move things aroung, I went up to 19 inch. As for Mykee, well from all the posts I read from you, you seem like the kid who wants to proove something, which I couln't care less. You always have to put a word somewhere, and quite honestly, after your 1st post, the others weren't necessary.

And I do not see what is bad about wanting to be fit. I personally prefer to see my abs than see myself with a belly. And it's true, you get less picked on when you aren't fat. And someone who trains a lot doesn't mean he doesn't care about the rest of the world. I would be the 1st in line to help someone out.

I use to be fat, I use to be fit, and at the moment, I am in betwen. And I prefeted to be fit. So to each his ideal self and don't pick on the others for their ideal selves.

[snakemann87]

Arent you like 19 Solid Snake?? Im 15 mine is 13'' as well:) I wrestle though so that helps ALOT

[Sunrunner]

Insult or retort. It doesn't really make a difference I guess insulting somebody because they insulted you is not right, i concede that. However some people are fat, lazy, ignorant and prejudice. That is not an insult it's a fact. Descriminating and downing someone for a lifestyle (that isn't harmful to others) is the same as discriminating someone for race or sex. When people begin to critize body builders for what they do and down a fitness oriented life style it really bothers me. Honestly I take it rather personally. I guess I shouldn't down them for being fat or anything like that. If I insulted anyone then accept my apologies and please try to see what we do as body builders is what we love not some physical compensation for anything were lacking. Comments like that just make people who say them look like a jack ***. So Jeff, Mykee and anyone else that thinks I have offended them in some way please take what I say in context their is no personal attacks here, I am above that. No need to let debates turn into fights. That's the kinda crap that starts wars. Peace. By the way I wonder what roids would do to an anaconda???

[Siretsap]

Maybe that thing would turn into a monster and actually be just like that cheezy movie Anaconda...
:-p

[Piebald Guy]

Human hormone would not be effective in a reptile. Only will poison the animal.

As for the black olives. I most definately believe you Mykee. The group I told you of had one guy who was perpetually "on". His nads were the size of large rasins. Litterally. With an inablility to achieve orgasm. Horrible thing. Well unless some real questions about the sauce or training come up I wont continue this tread. I'll start one for the juice separately for info if anyone wants.

Dave

BTW I will endevour to tell the entire side of both stories not half truths (I'm not into that, what favour would I be doing for people?). These are actual experiences not fiction.

[Sunrunner]

For info on juice or any other aspect of body building go to getbig.com or flex.com. Good points dave. Never stay on perpetually. Damn no orgasm. Poor *******.

[SCReptiles]

Some of the things being said here are ridiculous. First off, anyone who glorifies the use of roids has probably never even seen them. Second, funny how each adds exactly one inch to be bigger then one before. Point blank, you guys claiming 22, 23 and 28 inch arms, I don’t believe you. If you have truly put that type of work into it, I am certain you have plenty of pictures. Post some to back up what you are claiming. Everyone here has seen my pictures, so come forth with a little evidence. I have wrestled Scott Steiner, so I know exactly what 28” arms look like! http://www.webontario.com/fighting/scottsteiner/scottsteiner2.jpg

[MouseKilla]

whoa, whoa, whoa! Let's not start posting all kinds of pictures of oiled up, shaven, nearly naked men. PLEASE! I mean that's just icky. Anybody ever see any of those body building magazines?? EWWWWWW! Oiled up, dehydrated freaks grunting and sliding past eachother in their neon coloured banana hammocks. This is pure homo-erotica, all that separates it from gay porn is touching. Oh wait, they call that the WWF. LOL! Just kidding, don't blow a vein guys! Calm down and smear some of this baby oil on eachother (they can't reach their own "glutes" afterall, as someone mentioned). There, that's better! hahaha!

[Neo]

www.google.com

search: ronnie coleman.. he's like 2x bigger than that pic:D it's so insane my friend showed it to me i was like omg... insane.. he's body builds for competition so he'll be greased up in some pics.. just a warning

[marisa]

Wow you people have actually wasted that much time on the forum fighting over this? LOL Wow.

Marisa

[Sunrunner]

Ronnie is the king...he's taking the Olympia again this year!!!! Big Daddy Coleman is the most insane freak alive not to mention a kick *** police officer...wanna see some oiled up "muscle freaks" check out the pics at anabolix.com...damn....monsters!!

[Neo]

he's a cop?! dang man if everyone knew about him the crime rate would like drop to 0%. i'm assuming he's legit (no drugs) since he's olympia right?

[mykee]

Sunrunner, it's about damn time Ronnie take the title, he's been around a long time, and outlived the likes of Levrone, Matarazzo, Benaziza, Titus, Wheeler, Yates. It's about time he get his just rewards always placing second to Ray...
Coleman clearly is the most symmetrical competitor for years.
Neo; Oh yeah, they're all as clean as the freshly fallen snow...........No drugs in them, not even Advil.

[Piebald Guy]

No Nio,

He's full of the stuff. All PROS JUICE IT!!! No if and's or but's about it. Period. If you in the O your on it. Yes he is a cop (hasn't worked as one in MANY years) and is breaking the law. Technically (a blind eye is turned in the force. it's almost acceptable behavour until this date).

Ronnie's been around since the late 80's. Promoted as a "natural" bodybuilder (just takes less then everyone else) for a while until he disappered for a couple of years. Now he's like the rest. Don't forget. If you know your stuff about the juice you can EASILY pass a test while on it. Take test. The test for testostrone is only an epitisone to testostrone ratio. Your allowed 8:1 I believe (i could be wrong, haven't kept up with it in 8yrs now). Gee, I wonder if I take epitisone what will happen? Well, I'll get to take MORE JUICE!! Just don't take the ones that have excessivly long half life's (Thanks Ben Johnson YOU IDIOT)

There's a million other ways to beat a test. Just ask. Information is power (and health)

Dave

[MouseKilla]

Think he'd let me off a speeding ticket if I offered to rub the oil on his back?

[Piebald Guy]

Dear Mousekilla,

Has anyone ever made metion to picture associated with your nickname? I personally find it disturbing seeing an innocent child being taught poor ethics. Being desensitied at such a young age and by doing it in the worst possible way, masking it with humourous feelings, will certainly lead to problems in the future with a variety of aspects in life. Don't want to harp on the topic since for some reason I just don't think you would be to willing to remove it. I wish the little girl all the luck in the world.

Dave

[MouseKilla]

As a matter of fact the last (and only) time someone said that my avatar was offensive to them I offered to replace it with an alternate one of my BCI devouring a mouse, if he felt that was more appropriate for his children to see online. That person did not respond to the offer. Maybe he saw how faulty that logic would be. Maybe you will find that to be a more desirable or acceptable image. As far as your specific commentary, such as alleging that this teaches "poor ethics" or "desensitizes" a child to something (to what you fail to explain) I'm afraid that I simply don't see it. I do not believe in sheltering children from things that will not upset or warp them. I do not believe that words or gestures that are arbitrarily deemed naughty in our society are harmful to children. That girl is in the first grade now and simply learned the vocabulary that she would be picking up on the playground anyway a little earlier than perhaps some of the other kids. So what? Yes she knows how to flip someone off, she knows the F word but she is also academically advanced in reading and (go figure) verbal skills (in 2 languages). Everyone that meets her is impressed with her behaviour, good nature, advanced sense of humour and communication skills. This little girl is not permitted to be disrespectful to anyone and cannot stand to see any person or creature suffer. Do not assume that because this child has been raised with a different morality than perhaps you would apply to your own children that this child has been raised with "poor ethics". Please enlighten me as to how naughty words, in your opinion, can "lead to problems in the future...etc." I would really like to hear that question answered directly without having to make assumptions about how this particular child has been raised because, quite frankly, you just don't know this kid. But please, explain, in general terms, how swear words and hand gestures harm children.

[TheRedDragon]

I think MouseKillas avatar is cute and, I also agree with him. Children this day and age will learn how to swear or flip the bird at a young age on the playground or just from hearing other people swear. I was 7 years old when I flipped my mother the bird asking her what it was. She just chuckled a bit thinking it was cute, and after explaining its meaning, I used it very sparingly. How on earth could a few simple swears and flipping the bird hinder a child's intellectual growth and well-being?. There are far worse things to be concerned about regarding their welfare these days, such as child abuse, kidnapping, and drug abuse. No sense worrying about their use of a damn finger or swear word.

[lordkovacs]

ummm, i disagree with mousekilla here... let me explain my opinion (which is not meant to start anything, just an opinion!)

Sure, children will learn swear words or actions as the case may be on television, on the playground, or from wherever else. And it's true that it doesn't necessarily make them immoral for simply knowing them. My issue is more to do with the fact that flipping the bird as you call it, at such an early age, in a circumstance where it is seemingly acceptable WILL have negative effects. By allowing this, and using it as an avatar, you are teaching the child that it is an acceptable part of society. It is NOT an acceptable part of society. It is also very rude.

I understand your point about the child being advanced in 2 different languages. That's wonderful! But, that means absolutely nothing in relation to your argument. She must also realize that swearing is not a proper form of expression. It lacks thought, is very vague, and does absolutely NOTHING to solve any problem. If anything, it encourages backlash.

I presonally don't care what avatar anyone uses, but since the topic came up I thought I'd share my thoughts. Oh, by the way, I am a grade 1 and 2 teacher.

Just my thoughts. Again, I really don't care about your avatar mousekilla, just giving my opinion.

cheers,
MIKE

[MouseKilla]

Lord Kovacs,

Again, I hear the message that this will have some negative effect but I still have yet to hear what that may be specifically. I also take issue with the idea that there are "proper" words to use when expressing oneself and also that swearing necessarily means there is an absense of thought. This is intellectual snobbery. Please children, use thou only the Queen's English. Sometimes flipping the bird is the most accurate and concise way to express how you feel, not the least bit vague. I am by no means saying that it is always appropriate (she has been instructed by her parents that certain words are not for the classroom). I do believe in expanding vocabulary, whatever that might mean, we cannot afford to arbitrarily cut words out of our language. How many of the most important books in the history of mankind would be lost if we were to apply the random moral sensitivities of the given day to them? NO Bible, NO Tom Sawyer... the list could go on for pages and pages and with each shift in popular values the list of conforming "proper" books would need to be revised. I could rant for hours on this but I'll spare you all....for now. LOL!

[mykee]

Mousekilla, if the way that you articulate and express yourself is an indication of how this little girl also does (assuming she is your daughter, sister, etc.) then she is in good hands, and I believe has a great start on life. What's ironic is that those of you who are touting that this is unacceptable, or ethically wrong or immoral, leading to a degenerate lifestyle, need only look at their spelling mistakes in their posts. They lack the intelligence to realize that kids need to be 'well rounded' whatever that means. I learned the 'f' word at a young age, and quite honestly, my dialog is riddled with vulgarity, at the right time and place. Vulgarity does not make someone less intelligent. To the contrary, those who do not use vulgarity are often terribly closeminded Vulgarity does not make someone stupid. Stupid comments make someone stupid. BTW, I find your avatar oddly amusing.
Piebald; it seems that you are the type of person that complains if your burger has too much ketchup on it at McDonalds too, eh?

[Piebald Guy]

No Mykee, no complaints at the burger shop. No MS Word ethier. If you read the back posts you would know that. Shouldn't have to appologize on every post of the same thread. I'm glad to see so many (by no means all) people are thinking this is "cute" and how children learn these things whether we want them too or not. Just like at work, its always someone else's fault/problem. Let's not take ownership and be proactive about stopping soceity's degrigation of morales and values. Just throw your hands up in the air and say "oh well, they'll learn it anyway", "well all the teens are drinking, what can I do about it", "all the other kids' parents let them do it". Then walk away. That'll help. When this topic is presented to an average cross section of the population (I don't know if this surprizes you but it most definately surprized me) what Mousekilla's avatar represents is offensive.

Mousekilla. Yes I would greatly appricate your changing your avatar. Could you please? I cannot express efficently what I would need to say to qualify my statement in full. My background is not as MD. I amagine you know some people that are. Ask them. I'm sure they would have no problem enlightening you. (or take an unbaised third person, omnicent view of this topic. Either way you should get your answer)

Dave

[Piebald Guy]

And Mykee,

No need for passive agressiveness. Just come out and say whatever you wish to say. Be blunt. Spelling is not indicative of the level of one's intelligence. Level of education is not indicative of one's intellgence either (however it is an indicator, and yes, I am HIGHLY educated by our good 'ol Canadian system. What is your degree in?)

I'm starting to see (unfortuealty) some peculiar attributes in this "industry".

Dave

[Jeff_Favelle]

Are we talking about reptiles yet?

[MouseKilla]

Reptiles? No, no we're talkin about the size of our pipes! LOL!

[MouseKilla]

Should I replace it with the one of the mouse being swallowed? Or maybe one of a Rubbermaid full of freshly gassed rats, bodies contorted, dead eyes staring back at you. Better yet a close up of what happens sometimes when you use the bag method. One good argument for changing it is all it will take.

[TheRedDragon]

Hmmm....I wonder if my avatar is offensive and I should change it because it represents a paranormal serial killer that slaughters children in their dreams? *sarcastic* :rolleyes:

[MouseKilla]

"Won't someone please think of the children?!" - Mrs. Lovejoy from The Simpsons

[Sunrunner]

If if you don't agree with him mousekilla maybe out of respect to his feelings on the matter you should change the avatar anyway. Personally I don't care but if he feels that strongly about it then changing it would be a mature and considerate thing to do. Of course you don't have to change it to dead rats or whatever it was you were spouting (I hope you were being sarcastic) maybe a pic of the same child holding a herp or something would be better, it doesn't really matter if the pic is offensive or not the fact is someone is bothered by it much the same way you were bothered by body building. Just for curtisy sake a change would be appropiate. Some people feel very strongly about what actions are appropiate for children.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Hey, is that kid an albino? Seriously. I'm curious.

[V.hb]

Jeff, I think shes leusistic!!!

[Jeff_Favelle]

No no, she has red eyes!! LOL!

[mykee]

Jeff, let me mention this, it's been on my mind for a long time now, and this seems like the time and the place to air it. I feel that you avatar is offensive. Myself being a ball python guy, I am completely offended with your pic of a JCP. I feel that with your avatar, you are paving the way for an anti-anything but a JCP sanction. I feel that you should change your avatar bi-weekly to include all other species of snakes. Wow, how close-minded can you be!

P.S. PiebaldGuy, I don't have a birdcage to line, therefore a degree would be useless to me. I do well, worry not.

[TheRedDragon]

*LOL* mykee! :D

[Lisa]

Personally I don't see a problem with the mouse being swallowed for an avatar, but I may be biased.

as for the kid, she'd be cuter with out the finger...

[Tim and Julie B]

This thread is so long and off topic I had to go back to page one to figure out who even started the thread and what the reason was.

Good job Solid Snake. Keep up the good work. TB

[MouseKilla]

Sunrunner,
I've offered to change it, several times now actually. All I want in exchange is a single good arguement. I'm not going to do it on the whim someone who is unable to articulate what's wrong with it. I gave those examples to illustrate how foolishly subjective and arbitrary it is to ask that my avatar be changed when many others are potentially more offensive. I have many feeding pics like the one Lisa uses for an avatar and I get way more reaction with those from non-herpers than with the "bird" picture. I don't have any problem with the feeding pics but some will be offended or grossed out. There are other avatars on this site featuring people free-handling hots, some might see this as an endorsement of a dangerous, irresponsible practice but should they be asked to remove them (you know, for the children)? Maybe avatars should be limited to simple pics of herps that aren't feeding or just the smiling faces of members (and not their bratty albino kids). Or maybe we could act like adults and not be so touchy and quick to react to something so silly and benign as a joke pic (guess you don't want to see the one where she's drowning the bunny, eh? JK!). I'm still waiting to hear why my avatar is any worse than any of the examples I've given or how a first grader may be harmed by the knowledge of how to flip people off (which they all do, let's be honest). If someone can do either of those things I'll be happy to change the pic, otherwise I think it should stay until those who complain about such silly things learn to back up their complaints and demands with some thought and reason, so far there has been any of that. If you have something to say then spit it out but for God's sake make some sense when you do.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Ahhhh...so she IS albino!! I knew it!!

Damn cute kid though. My friend has a daughter that is 5 and looks just like her!

[MouseKilla]

Albino yes, kid no. This specimen was collected in the jungle in coastal Cameroon. Tests have indicated she is between 40 and 60 years old and full grown. She is believed to be an albino cast off from a tribe of pygmies. I acquired her 6 years ago from a landowner and keep her in a large plexiglass enclosure. I have been trying to tame and socialize her with limited success. She has learned to communicate through a series of hand jestures (like the one you see) but remains unaproachable physically.

[sSNAKESs.com]

Unless lifting that finger is making her biceps bigger, I dont see what any of this has to do with the thread. Topic Closed.