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OMG first let me say that my eyboard doesnt work with half my keys ont!!!
My snae is going cray because my frien sprayed anti-mite stuff on im today and he is flopping around in is tank like he is going to die!!!
Wat should i do???
I put him in water an he is still spazzing out!!!
Im crying because i feel so bad!!!! hes suffering i know and i dont want im to die i loe my snake!!!!! pleae elp me!!!
HetForHuman
09-16-03, 10:49 PM
Did your snake have mites to begin with?
What was the stuff your friend sprayed on him called?
Provent-a-mite?
Blackknight?
and how much did he spray on him?
Did you or your friend know how to use the stuff or read directions for it?
Its Provent-a-mite an my friend wors at a pet store so i figure he woul know what he was oing!!
he sprayed it all along his body about 2-3 times. he didnt spray the head but im sure it touhced is eyes because he sprayed it so close an im sure he enaled some as well!!
this was at 6:00 pm tho and its now 1:00am
HetForHuman
09-16-03, 10:59 PM
Well i have never used provent-a-mite but from the sounds of it he used to much man, because it sounds like the snake is having some bad side effects.
i dont know what to say man i have never been in this predicament before.
I hope someone here can help you
and i hope the snake comes out of it fine.
thanks,
Its so sad because he is ust flopping aroun with his mouth open an closing looking like he is having seizures :(
You should never ever ever put a pesticide on your snake. Take it to the vet. on the instructions it's self it says DO NOT SPRAY ON THE SNAKE.
I don't give the likelyhood of your snake living good odds, I'm guessing here and don't know for sure if it will even help, but you may be able to save it by flushing it's system with pedilyte (the unflavoured stuff) or distilled water. but that's just a guess, basicly your snakes been poisoned and may not live at all.
I just soaked him and made him drink water. his spazzing has slowed down alot but im still worried
Please everyone pray for my snake phoenix
but you may be able to save it by flushing it's system with pedilyte (the unflavoured stuff) or distilled water
The pedialyte I can understand but I have to strongly dissagree about giving distilled water as drinking water to a snake. It is quite harmful and the total exact opposite of your first suggestion!
Pixie
mikemcguire
09-17-03, 01:16 AM
Well, lets just say that on the Prevent a mite instructions sheet it says to spray the subrate and let all fumes vent before placing the snake back into the enclosure. So i would definetly imagine that it's not at all good to have it come in direct contact. Second of all, any time I have heard of peoples snakes dying while using Prevent a mite, usually water had something to do with it, so be carefull how you attempt it. I understand that it's harmful if ingested but you can never be to careful.. What the hell was your friend thinking. He/she needs to be shot.
Good Luck man, I feel for snake, and you for having ignorant friends.
Mike
Jazz6279
09-17-03, 01:24 AM
I can tell you anymore than whats already been said in the above posts but I do hope Phoenix is going to be ok, please keep us updated on how he's doing. I'm keeping everything crossed for a quick and full recovery for your little guy.
Fiona
Well hes not shaking anymore so thats a good sign. I made him drink water and now youall say this is going to kill him so i guess im screwed x2 :/
Right now he is sitting in a ball either stressing or sleeping but he is still breathing.
If he does live will he have any long term effects that will cause him to be stupid in the head or anything like that?
Jazz6279
09-17-03, 01:41 AM
I don't think drinking 'normal' water is going to do your snake any harm I think the pevious posts debated over offering him distilled water, was it just his normal drinking water that you made him drink?
Only time will tell as to what after effects it might OR might not leave your snake with, try not panic, at least he's not 'spazzing out' now so he must be more comfortable than he was yesterday although i imagine he's also feeling very sorry for himself, bless him.
omg im so happy :)
Its been about 4 hours since he was shaking and he is now curled up in his hide box and when i lifted it he was acting very normal and started to move along te bottom of my tank like a normal looking snake :)
Im thinking if he made it this long he will be ok but i wont be to happy untill tomorrow!
Jazz6279
09-17-03, 05:11 AM
Oh thats really good news, i'm sure he'll be fine tomorrow as well...:)
Thanks for your concern Jazz6279 and everyone eles who prayed for my snake, it means alot to me!!!
From now on i will never let anyone do anything to my snake unless i know its safe...
I feel so bad i cant even explain. here we have a nice little snake that loves me and does everything with me and this happense to him... Im sure he loves me now :(
I never want to witness anything suffer like that again and just because of that im going to stop breing mice and buy frozen just because i dont want to kill anyting!!
I just pray there is no long term effects that stay with my snake. I hope it was only a reaction and not something as harmfull as seizures that cause brain damage.
Man, thats not good. I'm really sorry. Hey, I thought that distilled water was what snakes are supposed to drink because it has been purified. And tap water has cholorine in it.
Invictus
09-17-03, 10:17 AM
And while we're at it, why don't we just put our snakes in an airtight oxygen bubble, and boil all of their prey items before we give them to the snake, and force people to sterilize their hands before they put their fingers on the snake???
SPARE ME. Tap water will not hurt your snake. F**k, they could probably drink the water in Mexico and be fine. Do you think anyone is distilling water for them in the wild? They are animals, people. Not science experiments that have to be kept in 100% sterile conditions.
geko - I'm really glad to hear your BP is doing ok. I hope you know from now on to get advice from a vet, or people on ssnakess who have been through the whole mites thing, instead of your bonehead friend who works at a pet store.
As I said before in another thread.... another nail in the coffin of the reputation of pet store clerks.....
BoidKeeper
09-17-03, 11:32 AM
So you don't have to know how to read to work in a pet store, that's what I got out of this post. Whether it's a pet store clerk or a breeder, it's your snake and you should have read the can yourself. You got lucky this time but I hope you learn from this experience.
Good luck,
Trevor
sapphire_moon
09-17-03, 01:58 PM
GO GET A BALL PYTHON MANUAL ASAP SO YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY TAKE CARE OF YOUR SNAKE!!!!!!!!!! And take him to the VET asap!!!!
Originally posted by sapphire_moon
GO GET A BALL PYTHON MANUAL ASAP SO YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY TAKE CARE OF YOUR SNAKE!!!!!!!!!! And take him to the VET asap!!!!
I know how to take care of my ball python...
It wasnt my fault. I figured he would know what he was doing being he worked at a pet store and all and delt with snakes all day.
BoidKeeper
09-17-03, 03:09 PM
I figured he would know what he was doing being he worked at a pet store and all and delt with snakes all day.
If you know how to take care of your ball then you know that very few pet stores don't do it right. Therefore you should have known not to put your faith in a pet store employee. Unless of course you keep your ball the way the pet store does.
I understand you assumed that if the guy sells animals he must know something about them. This is not the case. A pet store is a store not a zoo or a vet clinic. All they have to know is how to sell. That's what keeps them employed, not their husbandry skills or practices.
Let this experience serve as a lesson learned. Don't assume the other guy knows more then you. Take the responsibility to acquire the knowledge for yourself and don't rely on other people. No matter what I think you should have read the instructions on the can yourself. Don't put too much trust in other people’s knowledge when it comes to the care of your animals. They are your animals and you make the decisions about their care so the ultimate responsibility for what ever happens to them lies with you. You let him help; it was your responsibility to make sure he did in fact know what he was doing. All that either of you had to do to avoid this whole situation was to read the label on the can, pretty basic stuff.
Trevor
he is still shaking a little but not anywere near as bad and i figured i would feed him since its been 5 days and i think it will help clean the poison from is system a little bit.
I put the pinkie in *thats all i have* and he striked at it 3 times before he hit but he did get it and wraped it up an ate it. Should i feed him another one?
Originally posted by BoidKeeper
If you know how to take care of your ball then you know that very few pet stores don't do it right. Therefore you should have known not to put your faith in a pet store employee. Unless of course you keep your ball the way the pet store does.
I understand you assumed that if the guy sells animals he must know something about them. This is not the case. A pet store is a store not a zoo or a vet clinic. All they have to know is how to sell. That's what keeps them employed, not their husbandry skills or practices.
Let this experience serve as a lesson learned. Don't assume the other guy knows more then you. Take the responsibility to acquire the knowledge for yourself and don't rely on other people. No matter what I think you should have read the instructions on the can yourself. Don't put too much trust in other people’s knowledge when it comes to the care of your animals. They are your animals and you make the decisions about their care so the ultimate responsibility for what ever happens to them lies with you. You let him help; it was your responsibility to make sure he did in fact know what he was doing. All that either of you had to do to avoid this whole situation was to read the label on the can, pretty basic stuff.
Trevor
I understand what your saying but also this guy is my friend and he has alot of snakes and reptiles at his house so thats why i put my trust in him but i guess your right. I sould always check things out for myself!
BoidKeeper
09-17-03, 03:29 PM
NO! You should leave the poor thing alone in a different cage with nothing but the right temps, two hids, fresh water and lots and lots of peace and quite. Let the poor thing get through this and stop forcing yourself on him. The best thing for that snake is to be moved away from the poison you and your friend tried to drown him in and just leave him be. The poor thing is stressed out enough don't you think?
The only thing that you should have done was soak him is warm water to wash off some of the proventamite and then move him to another cage, that's it. Did it even have mites?
Trevor
Yes it had mites or why eles would i want to use anti-mite stuff...
In no means did i want my snake to end up like this. I saw he had mites so i went to get him treate. I feel i was only trying to help my snake but youall make it sound like im a snake killer or something.
Im not stupid when it comes to keeping animals. I have - 2 fire bellied toads, 1 tiger salamander, 1 padletail, 2 fish tanks, 1 dog, and i breed crickets an mice.
Belive me when i say i reserach everything to the fullest when i buy it as well and try to make the best home i can for it.
Im going to leave him alone right now and ill update his condition tonight!
BoidKeeper
09-17-03, 03:56 PM
i reserach everything to the fullest when i buy it as well and try to make the best home i can for it.
Then why didn't you read the instructions yourself?
I don't think you are a snake killer and I'm sure you want the best for your snake but this incident could have been avoided so easily. I'm sure that throught out all the reaserch you conducted you read a paragraph or two on stress. That would lead me to believe that you would know that the snake is stessed right now and that feeding it is not what it needs to get better. Never mind an update for tonight just make sure it's out of the cage and that was over sprayed and leave it alone for a few days. You can't do anything for it and checking in on it is only going to make things worse. If its going to die checking in on it and feeding it are only going to speed up the process. What might help is leaving the darn thing alone.
Trevor
Feeding it will help to flush its system so thats why i feed it...
just like when humans get poisined you should ussaly eat breed and drink water to obsorb the poison an pass it in poop or pee.
HetForHuman
09-17-03, 04:28 PM
snakes are not people man.
so what are you saying if you thought your snake had a cold you would give him a cold pill and a drink of water and send him to bed?
BoidKeeper
09-17-03, 04:30 PM
Feeding it will help to flush its system so thats why i feed it...
That's it I give up.
just like when humans get poisined you should ussaly eat breed and drink water to obsorb the poison an pass it in poop or pee.
Where do you get your info? Breeding will do nothing for you if you've been poisoned.
I worked in a hospital and helped with OD paitents and I never ever once saw a doctor perscribe sex and water. They did however pump the ocasional stomach and have paitents drink a charcol type drink to help obsorb the poison. But I guess all the reaserch you've done as shown different treatments.
Start backing up what you're saying with facts and not speculation and earn yourself some credibility.
Trevor
Its only common since if you feed it then it will poop. Making it poop is going to flush some or all of the poison out of his body.
You give up?
Oh well you wernt much help anyways. because you have 1816 post you act like you know everything about snakes. Im sure you have done studys on poisoned snakes to right?
I ment bread not breed
HetForHuman
09-17-03, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by BoidKeeper
Where do you get your info? Breeding will do nothing for you if you've been poisoned.
LMAO Trevor
I think he meant eating bread.
1. Kick your friend in the nutz for doing something so stupid.
2. Try to kick yourself in the nutz for LETTING your friend do something so stupid.
3. Buy a Bp book on husbandry, read it, reread it and then read it again.
4. Thank your lucky stars that your BP is not dead yet. Noticed I said yet?
5. Learn from this. We all make mistakes. This could still be fatal. Soak him, soak him, and soak him.
6. Buy a Bp book on husbandry, read it, reread it and then read it again.
Don't sweat the advice that we are all trying to dispense. If you would close your mouth long enough to listen, you would realize that what everyone is telling you, they're telling you either from experience, years of herping, or just plain old common sense.
You say soak him but BoidKeeper says dont bother him....
Get the advise strait and i might try some of these things!
For now im going to leave him alone.
BTW newbie, with that attitude, you're not gonna make any new friends here.
mykee is right about the tude. I promise you these people know what they are talking about. Boidkeeper's name isn't Boidkeeper for anything. He's been a keeper for years. Listen to these people. They are trying to help you and your snake.
daver676
09-17-03, 05:23 PM
Hey hey, easy on the newbie comments. We all started somewhere.
geko, when dealing with living things, ALWAYS read the instructions. That is common sense.
Dave
Invictus
09-17-03, 06:12 PM
Wow, this thread has become very unwelcoming to the new person. Mistakes happen, people.
I re-read this thread from the begining, and I think what happened is that the BP caught the spray in the eyes. I think even Nix very strongly recommends you keep it away from the eyes. This might explain why the BP had to strike at the mouse 3 times. He very well might be blind in at least one eye. Anyone agree that this could possibly be the case, or is the preventamite supposed to be safe for the eyes?
Im not here to fight...
I just came to learn some info and hopfully increce the chances of my snake living. I know your mad at me and think im stupid and i understand but please understand how i feel with my snake laying here dying before my eyes and there isnt anything i can do except sit here and get chewed out by alot of you.
BoidKeeper
09-17-03, 07:15 PM
If I was less then patient at times I apologies.
Ones level of knowledge should never be measured by their number of post. Further more I'll always be the first to admit that I know very little about reptiles. I learn something new almost every day though. Everything I've ever said has simply been based on my experience or something I'm regurgitating from a book. I've never claimed to have made any outstanding breakthroughs in the field of herpetology. I just happen to have a lot of post so what. I never claimed to know it all.
Just tried to offer advice.
Trevor
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