Wc Disgrace!

[SerpentLust]

Yep, you guessed it, yet ANOTHER rant about that evil pet store, and no, not about them firing me. It's some new info I found out from my new friend Travis...

(for information purposes...I just met Travis my first week of College, he incidentally is ALSO the guy who replaced me at the pet store...I'm happy though, he likes reptiles.)

So we were having a talk in Marketing about the snakes and stuff, and he told me that they just recently ordered an Anaconda (against his wishes). In fact, all they have there are reptiles that get to considerable sizes....Savs, a nile monitor, green iguanas, anaconda, etc.

And then he told me something that I was LIED to about. He told me that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the reptiles that are sold are WC because it's cheaper that way. Yes I know it's cheaper. But when *I* bought the Ribbon I asked him and he said, "Captive". Montey, I didn't know enough to ask, and that was three years ago under different management, so I can only pray REALLY hard...the Ball Pythons were all WC, everything.

I am personally against keeping anything wild, simply because we have enough breeders. My only acception is if it's a dying breed and we're trying to save it by breeding it and keeping the species safe from mans mistakes. That's just us trying to fix our f*** ups...

But isn't that completely wrong? He lied to me to get me to buy that animal, knowing full well that I frown upon the WC pets...ugh, I'm frustrated by idiots...

Jenn

[sapphire_moon]

I know exactly what you mean.....it is very frusterating when pet shops do this....

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

What if the wild caught is for new blood to the gene pool? Such as Bearded Dragons, all of the ones here in the states are severly inbred its not funny, yet they are very plentiful, what about cases like that? I have nothing against WCs as long as it's legal to have been done and was legally caught and wasn't over done on a single population.. Bah, over done period. Everyone's so big on location these days.. I was just curious to your boundary area, and being a ribbon and not one of these flashy morphs, I'd bet it was wc, even if I were told it's cb.. Xain

[SerpentLust]

Yes for adding to the gene pool, but only to an extent. Like Ball Pythons...there is NO need to keep having them WC...

Jenn

[reverendsterlin]

I will WC for my personal collection but not for resale

[Jeff_Favelle]

A pet store with wild caught animals? That's suprising...........




:rolleyes:

[Dom]

lol thats quite surprising Jeff

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

I agree some things are over done. On a different idea, are there any breeders of normal ball pythons or do they all just try for the morphs? (Breeders of normals to get normals, not the hets or siblings of hets and so forth, ya get the idea)

[SerpentLust]

Yeah there are still some who just get normals. Usually they don't really specialize in one type of snake or another. Markus Jayne also still does normals AND morphs :)

Jenn

[Lisa]

WC is no surprise, but selling WC animals as CB is a misrepresentation and fraud.

[SerpentLust]

Thank you Lisa :) That was my main point. It's not the issue of whether having WC is wrong or not because everyone has different opinions which I respect. But lying to me with the knowledge that I personally am against them is wrong.

Jenn

[Jeff_Favelle]

WC is evil, for sure. I hate it. :mad:


KrokadilyanGuy3, I've been breeding normal Ball Pythons since 1996. And normals are indirectly produced when breeding het to het and when breeding co-doms to normal females. The whole morph thing has INCREASED normal production on North America 10000x!!

[Linds]

Originally posted by SerpentLust

But isn't that completely wrong? He lied to me to get me to buy that animal, knowing full well that I frown upon the WC pets...ugh, I'm frustrated by idiots...


You'll find this a very common thing in most pet shops. They need to make sales, and often the truths are undesirable to potential customers. There isn't a whole lot of honesty in the pet trade, its incredibly sad :(

[Pia]

An anaconda in a pet store, oh dear!!! I didn't think they were legal in Canada. Regardless, if they do have one for sale it's a shame. I'm not bashing pet stores because there are good ones, but this one sounds like it will sell anything to anyone. That's the last thing the hobby needs is for some inexperienced yobo with money to buy something like that and have it get loose or not take proper care of it. Very bad for the snake and bad press for herpers.

[SerpentLust]

Yeah Pia, that's mainly why I was fired. Because I made SURE people knew what to do with the animal and what they were getting into and apparently it made me slow because I took the time to explain what the person would need to do to ensure their animal had the best life and such...

Jenn

[Invictus]

Pia - Which animals are allowed and which are not, is primarily provincial and municipal jurisdiction. Anacondas are perfectly legal in Canada, but some provinces such as Alberta and Saskatchewan have banned them. I don't know about any other provinces though, but I don't think the Ontario Fish & Wildlife has banned ANY herps. (Can anyone confirm/deny?) Individual cities are banning them left right and center though.

[Lisa]

Originally posted by Invictus
Pia - Which animals are allowed and which are not, is primarily provincial and municipal jurisdiction. Anacondas are perfectly legal in Canada, but some provinces such as Alberta and Saskatchewan have banned them. I don't know about any other provinces though, but I don't think the Ontario Fish & Wildlife has banned ANY herps. (Can anyone confirm/deny?) Individual cities are banning them left right and center though.

Certain native species are prohibited with out a permit. More info at www.ontarioherpers.org/laws/ (it has some bylaws of cities). also the permit overrides the bylaws of the cities. Ie if you get a permit for a massasauga rattler you can keep it in the GTA which has banned all venomous snakes. Permits aren't easy to get though.

[Pia]

Thanks, Invictus and Lisa.

SerpentLust, that's unfortunate, sounds like you're better off being out of there. Silly of your boss to let you go too because many new herp owners don't realize they need some of the stuff they do and by you helping them, it may lead to extra sales. Also, a well informed owner is much less likely to bring a herp back because of health problems or because they realize it isn't suitable for them. Finally, if the customer knows you're knowledgeable and helpful, they will hopefully become repeat customers for all their herp needs from heat bulbs to possibly another pet.

[KrokadilyanGuy3]

KrokadilyanGuy3, I've been breeding normal Ball Pythons since 1996.

Nice, Haven't really heard anything on anyone breeding normals unless they were for food or the results of breeding hets and all that fancy whatknot you get from trying to get morphs and such.

And normals are indirectly produced when breeding het to het and when breeding co-doms to normal females. The whole morph thing has INCREASED normal production on North America 10000x!!



I am aware and never doubted CB Balls are abundant, just was curious if anyone bred them on purpose as an active routine; Getting them from the results of breeding Co-doms and hets for morphs doesn't generally count for the purpose of my question.. But I like to see some people are still breeding normals.


Xain

[sapphire_moon]

I know it might be kind of off topic, but how do I find out what herps are banned in my area?

[SerpentLust]

sapphire_moon: Here you go: http://www.ontarioherpers.org/laws/

Jenn