High Red Irian Jaya Carpet?

[Memnoch]

Has anyone heard or seen a high red irian jaya carpet? I saw one on a mail order, and it looks too good to be true.

Here's a picture of it. What do you guys think?

[Tim_Cranwill]

Crazy! Well, I've never heard of a high-red IJCP but I'm not really in the Morelia loop to tell you the truth. :) I do know that their colors change quite a bit through their first few sheds.

It would be awesome if it were true though... :D

[Zoe]

Babies are born red and change colours as they age.

Zoe

[stkkts]

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=24778

check that out.

All babies are born red, that is true. Some are born extra red, with red eyes (instead of light tan eyes) They are pretty rare. The link above is one I picked up from a show the other day. She already shed her red colors, but still has red eyes. You can very obviously see how she is different from most IJs

[stkkts]

This is my male, normal eyes, normal colors.
http://mywpages.comcast.net/udasco/pets/maleijc1.jpg


this is my female. Notice the red eyes. this would indicate a high red body as a hatchling, but now that she has shed a few times, she looks amazing.
http://www.moreliapythons.com/gallery/data/500/219resize4.jpg
http://www.moreliapythons.com/gallery/data/500/219resize2.jpg

[Dom]

As far as I know of.. the HIGH red is just an other way of making your snake look better then it really is.. Don't get me wrong STKKTS IJ is a very nice light example but If i showed u pics of my ij or compared ay two morelias .. there paterns and pigments vary all a little bit.

I would also assume your IJ is fairly yound has only had a few sheds .. it can take many sheds to a year or two to darken up ..

Although still a very pretty light Ij..

Dom

[stkkts]

Dom, you couldnt be more wrong.
this is the parent of my male:
http://mywpages.comcast.net/udasco/pets/P8050002.JPG

this is what the male baby looks like at 3-4 months old:
http://mywpages.comcast.net/udasco/pets/maleijc.jpg

Above you can see my female, with super light colors, and red eyes. That is also 3-4 months old.

This isnt her parent, but this will illustrate to you what she will turn into in 2-3 years.

http://reptiles.drivennewmedia.com/Carpets/GQ_IJCPs/female_zebrarug_052103_copyrighted.jpg
(All images and content ©2000-2003 Anthony Caponetto. I am only using his picture to illustrate my point)

As you can see, it does not darken up. it lightens up, stays beautiful, and does not develop the melonin of the typical black line of IJs. If you search for posts by Yasser, you will see his poster child is also a snake very much like this. High yellow, very little black.

[stkkts]

these are Yassers threads with his snakes. As you can see, it doesnt darken up. There are definately at least 2 different color morphs for IJs. The typical black color, and the rare high yellow color.
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22201

[Zoe]

I have to agree with Dom on this one... catching your snake under good lighting, at a good time of day, and having a nice snake to begin, can make it easy to call it 'high red'. That second pic you posted, stkkts, is beautiful, but those that look like that are usually dubbed "Darwin". They are still variegata, of course, but look considerably different. Some can take longer to change, too. One of my males is way younger and has lost all his red, and the other is considerably older and still has much of his red pigment. I wouldn't call him high red.

Don't get me wrong, you have a very nice IJ, but why do you think it will end up looking like the one in the second picture?

Also, the first pic of the thread looks a little bit altered. Is that just me or?

[stkkts]

high red as babies is more than likely just to boost sales. But, there are definately 2 different color variations. the typical black that most people have, and then the high yellow coloration. You can see very plainly they dont darken up. Yassers thread proves that, and the picture I posted above of Anthony Caponetto's snake proves that.

The reason I will believe mine will turn out to look like Anthony's is this.
Here is a picture of Anthony's female posted above after a few sheds:
http://reptiles.drivennewmedia.com/Carpets/GQ_IJCPs/female_irian_jaya_12_06_01_2.jpg
All images and content ©2000-2003 Anthony Caponetto

you have already seen what it turns into.
If you cant tell the difference between the high yellow adult pictured above, the Anthony's baby I just posted a picture of, and my black colored baby, and its black colored parent,....than I dont know what to tell you. You should really check out with what the US breeders are working with. Specifically Yasser over at http://www.spitfirereptiles.com/ and Will Leary over at http://www.reptilicusreptiles.net/

And it really shouldnt be too hard to see the resembelance between the pink baby I just picked up and the picture of Anthony's baby I have just posted.

And no pictures have been digitally enhanced or altered in any way.

[Memnoch]

That picture I posted, (the first on the thread) is apparently one of the parents. Is it just me or is it really red?

Zoe: I'm not sure if that picture has been altered. I really hope not, b/c a store in the States is using it in one of their ads.

I ended up ordering a pair of those "high reds" and when they arrived they were definately not red at all. When I contacted the seller, they said that it would develop more and more red as they shed. How much truth is in that? Or did I get misled?

Here is a picture of one of the babies that I received... He/she is beautiful, but I'm wondering if it'll start to turn redder...

[Zoe]

That is a very nice IJ, but I can't see it getting redder as it sheds. If anything, it will lose its red. Did they have pics of the parents?

Zoe

[JKUROSKI]

I'm going to have to side with STKKTS on this one...that Irian shows the head bleeding and large orange pattern elements as other high quality Irians I have seen. We will just have to wait and see.

[RachelS.]

man, that thing is really red... I've never heard of high red before, maybe it'll keep a good color to it and turn out as a screamer adult!