amazon question

[madison.s]

hi i have two female amazon tree boas one is 3 feet long and the other is 5 feet long can i put them in the same tank the tanks is 23 inchs high and 13 inchs wide and 17 inchs long is that big enought for them? and will the bigger one kill the smaller one?.any help would be greatful.

[Zoe]

I wouldn't keep them together, a tank that size seems a little small even for just one adult. I'd also move away from a tank, they aren't suitable for arboreal snake species. You should look into getting some custom cages made, that way you can two of good sizes or one big one, and have good humidity and air flow.

Zoe

[madison.s]

how about a tank thats 2 feet high by 18 inchs wide by 3 feet long?

[Zoe]

not enough height. You could probably keep one in there if you stood it so it was 3 ft high, but i reiterate - Tanks are not suitable for arboreals. There is no cross ventilation, so the air is stagnant, and it's very difficult to keep the humdiity and the right level.

Zoe

[madison.s]

ok do you have pic ofthe cage what you keep your snake in?

[snakeman]

I'm afraid that you lack intelligence. I have been keeping Amazon and Emerald Tree Boas in aquariums since 1968 without any problems. I think you should do more research on tree boas before you are qualified to express your opinions on keeping Amazons or Emerald Tree Boas.

[Beardonicus]

I'm afraid you lack any courtesy, snakeman. I don't care how long you've been doing anything.......glass tanks do not make suitable cages for arboreal snakes for the above-mentioned reasons. Sorry.

[bulls eye ball]

ok i would like someone to show me a care sheet that saids that you can not put a tree boa in a tank and come on he's been doing it since 1968 and hasn't lost a snake yet.

[Beardonicus]

The dude is probably lying.......its common knowledge among those who know arboreals that glass tanks do not provide the ideal habitat for tree boas. You definitely CAN put one in a glass tank but it won't work as well as the other alternatives and you'll probably end up with some health problems along the way.

[Piers]

Well I know lots off people who keep there tree boas and pythons in 15 and 20 gallon tanks with no problems. As for two snakes I'd avoid that for a few reasons, 1 feeding can be a problem as well as cleaning. If you have two males they might fight and if one gets sick the other is more likely to too.
If you stick with a glass tank make sure the lid is a good screen one and that should be fine for ventalation.
Piers

[madison.s]

thanks alot piers i'v asked a lot of people that own tree boas and they said that it's ok to put tree boas in to tanks and these people have had them for years and have breed them and didn't just read books on them.

[BoidKeeper]

We've been keeping tree boas longer then we've had vision cages or front opening cages. In the begining all there was was glass tanks. I've kept my ETB in one and my ATBs. Do I think it is the best thing, no, but is it bad for them and will they die in one, no.
Trevor

[Beardonicus]

The problem with glass tanks is humidity regulation......its almost impossible to do so unless you cover the top with something, then you run the risk of having stagnant ait and mold/bacteria growth......its simple.....glass tanks do not make THE BEST cages for arboreals......do what you wish with your animals, but this is not the most effective way to go about it.

[madison.s]

DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE THAT SELLS OR BUILDS CAGES FOR TREE BOAS?

[Beardonicus]

Yes, there are quite a few cages out there suitable for tree boas.........rubbermaids, BARRS cages, Vision cages, Boaphile cages, acrylic cages......the list goes on. I just don't consider glass tanks to be on that list.

[Zoe]

I'm afraid that you lack intelligence. I have been keeping Amazon and Emerald Tree Boas in aquariums since 1968 without any problems. I think you should do more research on tree boas before you are qualified to express your opinions on keeping Amazons or Emerald Tree Boas. Actually, I have kept and researched both species extensively. You CAN keep tree boas in tanks without having them drop dead on you, but they will be healthier in a cage more suitable than that. Common sense, really.

ok i would like someone to show me a care sheet that saids that you can not put a tree boa in a tank and come on he's been doing it since 1968 and hasn't lost a snake yet. You do know that people can lie over the internet, right? And if he says he'd absolutely NO ill effects using a tank (even something at small as low humidity of fungus) then he probably IS. Like I said, though a tank won't kill a tree boa, most breeders and keepers don't keep their atbs and etbs in tanks. Take a look at corallus.com, for example. In the caresheets are suggested neodesha or melamine cages, it does NOT say "Yes! Tanks are the best thing to keep a tree boa in".

Zoe

[snakeman]

Zoe go into Super Pet on Kennedy Road. They have an Emerald Tree Boa there for about 5 months in a reptile tank with a screen top.The snake is eating and doing very well. I'm not trying to be ignorant or anything but you were not born when I started keeping snakes. How did you get to be such an expert on keeping reptiles anyway.

[Beardonicus]

Dude, get an attitude adjustment......You can not POSSIBLY be as knowledgable as you say you are....you just told someone to go to a petstore for correct herp husbandry!!!! LMAO!!!!!

[snakeman]

Zoe..............................KISS MY ATB.

[Zoe]

I hate to tell you, but petstores have FAR from perfect husbandry. They keep different lizards together from different regions on who-knows-what for substrate. They clean the cages once every few weeks and feed the snake rats that have been thawed 3 or 4 times. The animals are still alive and eating, but that doesn't mean they are as healthy as they should be.

A lot of people are older than me, I'm afraid it does not make them smarter. Not that I'm saying I am smarter than you, simply that just because you kept snakes first does not necessarily mean that you keep them better.

How did you get to be such an expert on keeping reptiles anyway.
Research? Debate? Experience? I definitely didn't get my info from petstores.

Zoe..............................KISS MY ATB.
Grow up.

Zoe

[BoidKeeper]

Zoe will you kiss my ATB?;)
Trevor

[NiagaraReptiles]

Originally posted by snakeman
Zoe go into Super Pet on Kennedy Road. They have an Emerald Tree Boa there for about 5 months in a reptile tank with a screen top.The snake is eating and doing very well. I'm not trying to be ignorant or anything but you were not born when I started keeping snakes. How did you get to be such an expert on keeping reptiles anyway.


I am familiar with this snake and the store and I have to say that your desription is very misleading.

The "tank" that this young female Emerald is set up in is HUGE. I'll take a guess at a 90-100 gallon hexagon. This snake also receives a lot of attention to humidity and such as with so much ventalation on a screen topped enclosure it does evaporate quickly.

Jen is one of the most competent reptile department managers around, and has a very nice collection of arboreal boas in her personal collection as well. She knows very well what she is doing.

Let's face it, this isn't an ideal set up and it is high mantenence, though it can be made to suit the animals needs.

I just wanted to calrify this a little as it's a slightly different situation to keeping an Emerald in a 20 or 30 gallon aquarium.

[V.hb]

Zoe, I wouldn't nessecarily rule out tanks in general. Yes the size specs in question being used are far to small for an atb. However, Tanks are not all that bad. The reason they are stereotyped for being bad is they are hard to keep temperatures at the right levels.. Now, by using proper equipment in keeping a reptile rooms ambient temperature, and humidity up tanks are not a problem. Keeping an aquarium in a drafty, cool spot in your house is the problem. I know a few people who keep atbs in tanks, rubbermaids etc and they all respond identically to food, human interaction etc..... Quite a few people use rack systems, and keep their reptile rooms in optimal temperatures 24/7.. Without the aid of heat tape, or heating lights.. This isn't a wrong way either, its just a different way to do it. Not everyone does things the same way...

Was that really hard to explain without being rude? I do agree Zoe, people need to grow up..

[madison.s]

well zoe went way off the subject i only asked if i could put my three foot female amazon tree boa in with my five foot female amazon tree boa .i DIDN'T ask if i can put them in a tank.thanks for your time lizlady >(

[snakeman]

Zoe it's up to the individuals to decide what is best for their reptiles. If it works why not stick with it. Every snake is an individual and you can't say all of a certain species are bad.I have two black tailed Cribo's one is unbelieveable the other downright mean. The one that is not mean will sit on my lap as if he is watching tv with me and won't move unless I get up or pick him up. My Emerald Tree boa is like a kitten and has never attempted to bite me. He is close to six feet. I also have six ATB's two males and four females. Three are of the yellow variety the rest pretty normal. I would say that as far as aboreal mine would rather hide than go on any branch or dowel. They will let me clean their cage without biting but I have to be carefull. I have two tegu's one literally jumps about 8 inches to try to bite my hands. The other one I can handle and seems to have respect for my hands.
I had six Florida Indigo's in 1968 and all six were great. I wish I could afford one now but my collection is quite large. Indigos know their owners and when I sold mine they never ate and the guy that bought them wanted to bring them back.I told him every month to bring them back but he kept delaying. When I got them back they were in terrible shape. While he watched each one ate two rats. He wanted to keep the snakes but I wouldn't let him.
Today he is one of the top Indigo breeders in Canada.

[Beardonicus]

Uhh, I don't think anyone said the snakes were "bad".....its your husbandry recommendations that were lacking. The fact of the matter is that poor husbandry DOESN'T work all the time, which is why its called "poor." You entire last post was completely irrelevant and your attitude is atrocious.

[Zoe]

lizlady:
hi i have two female amazon tree boas one is 3 feet long and the other is 5 feet long can i put them in the same <b>tank</b>

how about a <b>tank</b> thats 2 feet high by 18 inchs wide by 3 feet long?

they said that it's ok to put tree boas in to <b>tanks</b>

Hey, you're right! No mention of tanks there whatsoever!... just because you didn't ask, I will still point out the fact that tanks are not ideal. If you say "I feed my 12 foot burm one mouse a week, should I move him to a different container to feed?" I will still tell you that a mouse is too little, even though you didn't ask.

V.hb - yup I agree. Tanks will work, it's just a matter of getting the ventilation and humidity and temps down right. But, for the novice keeper, I wouldn't recommend it. It's just easier to go with acrylic or rubbermaids and such, as opposed to with tanks when you need to fiddle around with humidity and all that to get it right.

Zoe


snakeman, I fail to see the relevance of your post here, but I am very happy that your collection has worked out for you.

[V.hb]

Arguing with people like this is pointless, they dont understand whats being said.... Jon said the same thing I did.. Provided the animal is kept properly and in a large "tank" it would be fine. But as you said zoe, you need to take a few measures before using a tank.......... and people argue still..... why ask for advice if it isnt going to be taken?

BTW, it appears to me someone is posting under a few names.... funny a first post is right into an arguement? that just looks wierd, correct me if iam wrong..

[snakeman]

It was stupid to think Beardonicus had a brain and any capability to reason. I don't argue with insects I feed them to my lizards.
I will start a collection to get you a brain for Christmas. I will try to get one as small as I can to fit in your brain cavity.

[Beardonicus]

Dude, don't feed yourself to your lizards! LMAO......whatever dude!

[madison.s]

hey snakeman you don't want to get the boot and they well do it i know people that have been booted off for making the wrong person mad.even if they started it.

[Zoe]

That isn't true. VERY few booted have actually been booted off the site, and those who were more than deserved it. They argued, made inapproriate posts etc. No one who comes here to learn and share will be banned.

Zoe