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have african house snake but never seen another one., any info out here..? she's about 4.5 ft 3/4 yrs old, had her 3 yrs . she was a resale from a pet store closing out. she has laid infertile eggs , very friendly,. i have corns but she the one the children like to hold, got a few over their phobias even..! but i never see any for sale..why??? if you have one what size and temperment have you experianced..any breeders out there?? :rolleyes:
I've kept them before. They are neat eh?
There is tonnes of info out there:
http://www.king snake.com/housesnake/captive.html
http://www.reptilekeeper.co.uk/africanhousecare.php
http://www.reptiletrust.com/reptile_care/care_sheets/snakes/african_house_snake.htm
(etc).
The females will lay infertile eggs, but should lay fertile ones if kept with a male. You don't see them for sale too often because they aren't really that highly sought after. They are easy to breed, aren't too spectacular looking. You do see them for sale on occasion, but not often.
Oh, the ones I kept were 3-4 feet long, and one female I had was CRAZY! Struck at everything. Blerh.
Zoe
thanks for info zoe seen the first 2 sites but not the last.. she bred with my amel corn this spring i messed up the incubation for both her and corn fem but i had'nt found ssnakess then..i'll do better next time..opened one fungul egg it was fertile (embrio) kept the rest but they were to wet and had temp spikes so don,t know if they were dudes or my mess up was moving both females took about 3 days to lay, scared me.. think they were just stressed with move. i always make the kids wash their hands before handling she takes her feedings very seriosly!!but sweet otherwise.
Why are you breeding a house snake with a corn???? :confused:
Hybrid threads...
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2449&highlight=hybrid
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2538&highlight=hybrid
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23380&highlight=hybrid
Hybridization aside... these animals are from completely different geographical locations. Not only do they have different requirements, but additional problems such as the host specific bacteria present in each animal, which can pose serious, sometimes even fatal, health threats to other animals that have different tolerances. Another threat is that house snakes are cannabilistic... if the corn is small enough it may get eaten!
Yes I agree... its one thing crossing two different rat snake ssps, but corns and house snakes are very different. I'm surprised one egg was even fertile - but it probably would have hatched deformed. Just get a second house snake, you'll have more luck.
Zoe
LdyDrgn
08-26-03, 01:12 PM
Not to mention that corns are ALSO cannibalistic.
they're consenting adult snakes i did'nt expect them to breed!!reptiletrust site was the only note on cannabalism i've seen. the african is housed with 2 adult corns & a juvi corn.(i realize from recent threads this is frowned upon) but there has been no health or domination problems. i enjoy their interactive behavior,they frequently ballup together,and genetics hence i have corns of different colors..i am curious about the host specific bactiaria...where would i find info.??? garter snakes converge together so why is it so wrong to house snakes together????
mk-ultra
08-26-03, 01:32 PM
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/509/129africanhousemale03.jpg
i keep 2 african house snake here is my lill male hes still young but really fun to take care of he is really quick but never bites . I have another one ... a big female ... she is 4 years old and i dont know but she never layed unfertiled eggs ... and thats actually the first time i hear about that ... she was actually my first snake ever and she is an angel i have never seen an aggressiv african house snake anyway take good care of it they are really nice pets
nice looking male mk-ultra would his coloring be called red???my female is uniform dark brown she shows no stripes on the head .how long is your female.
mk-ultra
08-26-03, 01:50 PM
my female is around 4 feet long dark brown i think they darken with age my lill male is a brown the guy thought he was selling a red cause at very young age you can see through and it looks red but its brown
mk-ultra
08-26-03, 01:51 PM
i wish i had a picture to show you of my female but im at work ill try to post one tonight from home :)
LdyDrgn
08-26-03, 02:03 PM
Corn snakes are North American, House snakes are African. They have different care requirements as it is. They should not be housed together. Even the corns should be seperated until breeding time. As far as the host bacteria goes, if one infects the other, you probably won't know until it is too late. Please, for the sake of their health, seperate them now.
Beardonicus
08-26-03, 02:15 PM
Not to mention the fact that corns are proven snake-eaters on occasion.
Sean_.E.
09-09-03, 07:36 PM
I have an adut male African house snake and I want to get a female someday. Here is a pic http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/182house_snake_tree1.bmp
As for keeping those species together it is completely irresponsible. YOU SHOULD NEVER MIX DIFFERENT SPECIES OF SNAKES TOGETHER! Why would you jepardize you snakes' lives? Why don't you just buy them each their own cage? If you are not willing to do so then in my HONEST oppinion, you should not keep snakes at all. I am not saying this to be rude, I just simply feel you are not considering your pets well being which is, again, in my HONEST oppinion COMPLETELY inapropriate!
Please, please, please go out and buy each of these snakes their own cages or at least separate the different species.
Hopefully you understand the message I am trying to get acoross!
Sean
concern appreciated, but no worries people, they have been together 3 years, except when feeding, or laying.my info originated from books which quote 77-86F(25-30C) for both breeds & a humidity chamber. they are housed in 12-48-48 inch display case. i have no opinion of whether tis right or wrong this is just the way i keep them, i used to separate them for an hour after feeding now its 10 minutes they have adapted, they always converge after feeding by week end they separate and converge randomly they have their favorite places.the one added this year calmed down very quickly and became part of the rythem. i aquired herps because they intrigue me i respect and care well for them.i am just sharing my experiance with them. i have seen no african for sale this year. very nice african sean and i respect your opinion, they are just fine.
Nomes, you may have been pulling off housing them both together, that doesn't mean it's what's best. I've seen people argue the same thing with their snakes, and lo and behold sooner or later, something bad happens. Cannibalism is not your only problem when housing different species together.
Different species carry different bacteria in their gut. Housing two snakes together creates an environment where there may be ingestion of the foreign bacteria from the other snake (the other species). This will cause an upset in its own bacterial fauna and can cause it to be ill.
As for garters being communal, well let's just say they're not living in a terrarium! Keeping snakes in captivity is NOT the same as one in the wild. Snakes in the wild don't have to come across their feces everytime they move around cos they're not confined as in a terrarium.
All feces aside, snakes in general, being housed together, makes it difficult to figure which is the sick snake. If you find runny poop, which snake are you gonna bring in to the vet? Are you gonna treat them both to stressful medications?
No need to be protective Nomes, as we're only here to guide. I'm sure all of us don't wanna see another herper go through the same mistakes we've made. Take everything here with a grain of salt, cos remember, the most important thing is the health of your snakes not your or my opinion. :)
TheRedDragon
09-25-03, 03:54 PM
<b>Nomes: </b> Invictus and I were given three corn snakes that were housed together all their lives. We seperated them because two out of the three were getting stressed out. The female was dehydrated, and the bigger male was dominating both her and the smaller male. Otherwise everything SEEMED peaceful with the housing situation. We also seperated them due to worries of illness. If you need a fecal done, how will you know who's poop is who's? And snakes CAN and DO get sick. And, if one of your snakes gets sick with a communicable disease, ALL of them will. So, rather than having to pay a veterinarian bill for one snake, it'll be for several snakes. Imagine the money and confusion that you could save in the future if you seperated the snakes. You don't neccesarily have to buy another large glass tank, rubbermaids with snap tops usually suffice; Invictus and I have most of our collection in those.
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