stupid STUPID albino question

[DoubleG]

Hey dudes, I've thought about this for a little and I still haven't come up wiht a satisfactory answer so toss your two cents in the ring here.

I know that breeding a Tremper to a Las Vegas(Rainwater) albino will produce double hets... this is fairly obvious as the two strains just don't mix. The issue I'm having is similar to the patternless albino variable in that if I bred the two double hets for the albinos together would I eventually end up with say a super albino that is both Tremper and Las Vegas at the same time? Statistically the chance of getting something crazy like this (potentially) is equal to patternless/albino double hets producing a PA, so I know nothing would happen immediately (unless I was lucky).

I think I explained that right, so drop your answer bombs now! even if it's just to laugh at such a silly question ;)

[royalgoldreps]

That is not a silly question. It is not even a dumb question. But, that is exactly right. Statistically there would be a 1:16 chance for the mating to produce a double homozygous albino. The questions still remain:

1) Are the two strains compatible in the same animal or is that combination fatal to the fetus. It is suspected that is what is going on in the Bell Blazing since so many eggs have been produced without a Bell BB.

2) Once, and if, produced how to tell that it is double homozygous without test matings.

Other than that it is just a matter of producing fertile eggs.

Steven-RGR

[DoubleG]

Sweet, I feel better knowing that isn't a dumb question.


Next question: anyone have double hets for each albino strain?

[DoubleG]

Instead of simply double hets, I could also consider purchasing a tremper albino het Las Vegas, or a Las vegas albino het tremper combination, in all liklihood that's the more attractive option so if anyone knows how they could help, plz drop a line

[andrea1784]

I think that they are all compatible. I'm in the US and know that Jodi Aherns of groundgeckofreak.com works with mixing albino strains. He has double hets regularly up for sale. But that's in the US.

If they are comaptible, I think that in a few years we could see some albinos w/ all three strains.

[Colonel SB]

It is deffinatly an exciting time to be a leopard enthusiast :) I am also putitng my hat into the multi albino gecko pot. I am jsut curios to see wath the babies will look like.

[Samba]

I have an albino question as well.... When you breed two albinos together the babies will be normal carrying the recessive (?) gene, right? In this case two Trempers will be bred, but I was told the babies would be albino themselves. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if BOTH parents are albino, the babies will be normal???? How confusing!! Thanks in advance!

[Neo]

i only know basic 9th grade genetics but isnt the gene for albino recessive? so 2 albinos would be aa x aa so i'd think that 2 albino parents would produce 100% albinos. then again genetics has lots more factors i dunno about so.. just my guess

[Repti]

Yes Neo you right two Tremper albinos bred together will give 100% tremper albinos baby

[DoubleG]

in order for a baby to be an albino, both parents must have that same recessive gene. Samba my question is a little different just because the Tremper strain and the Las Vegas strain are NOT the same. So even though tye're both albinos, they are not identical albinos. I wonder if Ron has tried anything like this yet....

[Samba]

LOL I don't know either!

My genetics leaves something to be desired! I know both parents must have the gene, but it's possible for a parent to have the gene and not be albino, right?

So, when I breed my Girl to an albino male, the babies will be albino for sure??? Someone told me that the babies would be normal, but carry the gene for albinism.

If I bred Girl to a normal male, would 50% of the babies be normal, and 50% be albino?

This is some interesting stuff!

DoubleG - Sorry I couldn't answer your question, hopfully someone here can help you with that!

[Repti]

Yes it's possible for a parent to have the gene and not be an albinos.
If you breed two albinos the babies will all be albinos
If you bred your girl to an normal male all the babies will be normal but het for albinos.

Repti

[DoubleG]

ALright peeps. anyone who is either living in Canada, or is willing to ship to Canada who has : a tremper albino het Las Vegas, or a Las vegas albino het tremper ,OR normals that are het for both then PLZ contact me.

[Samba]

Ok, I've got another question! LOL, sorry to bug, but what if I breed Girl to a normal male that has the albino gene... will some of the babies be albino and some normal?

[Repti]

That's a really good question.
25% of the babies will be albinos
50% of the babies will be het for albinos
25% of the babies will be normal

So you can say you will have albinos geckos, and the rest will be 66% het for albinos

Correct me if i'm wrong

Repti

[Colonel SB]

You got it right Repti :)

[DoubleG]

Ok folks here is the schpiel according to Durham Biolab department: Two recessive genes having to do with the same vital function (skin) cannot cohabitat within one animal... the best results one can hope for are a skinless leo which will obviously not live long!

This is what I get from a prof who (at someone's request) spent the last week learning what he could for an introductory third year genetics class... so hurray we're probably in there somewhere! He said another possibility is a wacked out new skin (my terms not his) but an animal that is few and far between, also one frought with several health issues... I guess that makes the lifespan an issue again as well, not to mention LACK of breeding capabilites... sorry to dissapoint I was hoping I was onto something though!

-GG

[Neo]

ah, me brain no working :D

[Oliverian]

Lol, this is all very well and confusing. I'd like to mention something though. If you breed two albinos together, you can actually produce ones with pigment (normal). Its hard to explain, but here goes. (This was a while ago when I read about this, so it might be a little off) Sometimes the different parents have different sets of genes to produce albinism. Say the female has the genes 'aa' which causes albinism, and the male has a different set of genes, genes 'bb', which still causes albinism, just a different set of genes controlling it (This isn't like normal dominant and recessive genes, just an example, so don't get confused with the letters) When bred together, they produce offspring which might have the genes 'ab', which (we will say) are genes that produces pigment. So you might get a normal baby from albino parents. Its not very common, though. Lol.. that was confusing. If anyone knows more about this please let us know. I love genetics, its so interesting. :p ~TR~

[Neo]

i think you're talking about the 3 different strands: bell, las vegas, tremper. which are not compatible w/ each other but can be interbred to produce double hets

oh and i heard about paradox albinos.. genetically mutated albinos that have black pigment.. but all the features of albinism.. red eyes.. etc.. neone know the story on those guys?