panther cham??

[Rebecca]

What is the difference between a reg panther and a nosy be one?? Anyone have pics as well??

[dank7oo]

ok .... lemme clarify something ...

panthers are a species of chameleon .. sub-species exsist pertaining to different colourations ...

there is no 'regular' pantehr chamaeleon ... different colour variations are nosy be, ambanja, tammitive, maroantsetra, ambilobe, arkarmy pink, etc ....

hope that clarifies a bit

Jason

[dank7oo]

.. i forgot sambava and diago suez (sp?)

[Trace]

Hi Rebecca! :)

There is no real difference between a "regular" Panther chameleon and a Nosy Be Panther chameleon really. A Panther chameleon is a Panther chameleon... follow me? What breeders or serious collectors tend to do is label their chameleons according to locale. Panther chameleons from one part of Madagascar have different colours than Panthers from other parts of the island. So to keep things clear and to avoid mixing locales, people will call their Panthers by specific names to avoid confusion. That being said, any locale can breed together and produce viable offspring, but most folks tend to breed Nosy Be's with Nosy Be's etc. to keep the lines pure.

Here are some goofy pics of my male Nosy Be Panther:

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/405122-2206-med.jpg

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/405113-1328-med.jpg

Click here (http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/fpardalis.html) for a good list and descriptions of the various locales of Panthers chameleons.

Hope this helps!

Cheers!

Trace

[dank7oo]

here is some good info on the different locales (colourations) or panther chameleons

http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/species/fpardalis.html

and pics
http://www.adcham.com/html/taxonomy/pardalismorphs.html

(sorry all my info is in 3 messages .. lol)

[Rebecca]

Ok. Thanks for all the help!! Needless to say I still have some research to do before I get on ;)

[Trace]

Hey Rebecca! :)

I've said this before (to you and others) and I'll say it again... Kudos to you for doing some research on chameleons beforehand. Your new pet will be happier and healthier because you've done so. Chameleons are a little hard to care for, but not impossibly so. I can see you've done a bit of reading already, but please don't be shy with the questions.

Cheers!

Trace

[Rebecca]

Thanks Trace! I don't plan on getting one for quite a while yet. I don't have the room right now. So I have tons of time to make sure I get everything right, plus I'll have more experience with my other lizards, so I can care for the more harder lizards like chameleons.

[Brock]

quote:

panthers are a species of chameleon .. sub-species exsist pertaining to different colourations ...

end.


They aren't subspecies, they are locales. It's like comparing a Northern European to an African: one's white, one's black. The same guideline is applied to some chameleons, namely the pardalis species. Nosy Be's are noted for their blue colouration,
Sambava's for their neon oranges and reds, Ambanja's for their blue or red bars, Ambilobe's for their multitude of vivid colours and Ankaramy's for their pink. Nosy Be, Sambava, Ambanja, Ambilove and Ankaramy are all regions in Madagascar where the pardalis come from, that's why they are capitalized, and just like human appearance varies with location, so does the pardalis appearance.

It's best to get a pure blood Ambanja, Nosy Be or what have you because they tend to have the solid colours most people are after. I, however, have nothing against crosses, we could eventually get to where leopard geckos are now with 'designer' colours and that would be awesome, we wouldn't just have the limited locales we have now, but we would have near hundreds of different colours and patterns. It's nice to breed selectively though because most chameleon keepers tend to appreciate the way nature has created such a specialized and individualistic creature, and most don't want to mess with the pristine quality of what the rain forests of Africa have produced for us over millions of years.

-Brock