Controversy

[SCReptiles]

Why is it that every time there is disagreement leading to controversy someone will inevitably say “that is not what this forum is for.” Look back at the controversial threads, they have 5 and 6 times as much traffic as the mind-numbing “oh you are so right threads.” To be “not what this is about,” they sure pull a lot if interest. Think about it, is this really the type of forum we want:

Snake lover 101 : My Snake has mites, what should I do?

Python player asa: Why don’t you put some medicine on them.

Snake lover 101: Oh my god, I never thought of that. Thank you Python player asa.

Boa joker: Yes Python player asa, you are so right. Putting medicine on them is good.

Do we really want that? Disagreement sparks massive exchanges of ideas and leads to growth. I think controversy is positive and should be a part of any public forum! Everyone has the choice about what they read, if you are truly offended by someone’s ideas then simply do not inter that thread. Problem is solved and no further need for censorship.

[daver676]

Very well said SCReptiles.

I totally agree.

Dave

[reverendsterlin]

beats out all the off-topic posts that wind up cluttering the forums

[Snakesafe]

True...True...

Wonder who will disagree on this one??

[SCReptiles]

Hey snake safe, going to the shop tonight to box up the new pigs. want to come over to see the new diamond back? he is a beast, at least 1/2 foot longer then the other one. =)

[red bootz]

Mr. Hurd. I am disappointed. I thought we agreed that free expression was bad.
Seriously though, In this day and age where we can and do interact with so many people, societies, cultures, we NEED the exchange of opinions, ideas, beliefs, etc. so that we can understand where each of us is coming from. Its actually kind of funny. We all want the general public to understand and accept our hobby and love for our herps and we advocate education and discussion as a means to this end. Yet, when a controversial subject comes up WITHIN the hobby there are always people that say "you are wrong, that is terrible, that is disgusting, we should be ashamed..." This is the same attitude that herp haters have for herpers.
We as human's have the ability to express and communicate abstract thoughts. This is how societies are made. I, for one, beleive that the single most advantageous aspect of this site is the freedom with which the moderators allow us to post. I've seen jokes posted, hip-hop, personal advice...I think its great. But the controversial stuff is the best. It pushes the boundaries and aloows for a better understanding. Maybe it won't change your view, but it helps to understand what others are thinking. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[Snakesafe]

I'll send you a PM...

[SCReptiles]

Well said red bootz, for a Canadian that is. =)

[Shane Tesser]

It has never been said that debating and differance of opinions wasnt allowed on the forums?!?! What is not allowed is demeaning of peoples opinions / newer herpers questions etc... if someone is asking a "dumb" question they properly actually dont know that is why they are asking... The problem is some people dont know how to take and read text, it comes across wrong, people get upset, blow things out of proportion etc etc... When people rebuttle with facts, differant ideas etc etc, there isnt a problem as long as they go about it the right way, when someone says "what your saying is wrong, are you that much of a idiot??" thats not a exchange of opinion its demeaning someone and that kind of stuff wont be tolerated.

[red bootz]

SCreptiles, is getting that whole american-canadian thing going again! I am grossly offended! I demand an apology...
Whatever! I think everyone needs to lighten up a little soemtimes;) We are all in this ship together.

[Shane Tesser]

Originally posted by SCReptiles
Snake lover 101 : My Snake has mites, what should I do?

Python player asa: Why don’t you put some medicine on them.

Snake lover 101: Oh my god, I never thought of that. Thank you Python player asa.

Boa joker: Yes Python player asa, you are so right. Putting medicine on them is good.


Wrong Way: yeah just put some medicine on your herp, go get some cough medicine and cover it for 24 hours.. LMAO are you that much of a idiot to put medicine on your snakes??? Where did you get that information from???

That kind of response or something similar is not a uncommon thing and THAT is what isnt tolerated.... Period.

Right way: There are alot of various ways of ridding your snake mites, you might try Provent-a-mite or Nix, pull a search for mites in the forums and you can probably find the answers your looking for.

There is a huge differance, first one being the kind of people we dont need in the forums period.

Second being a helpfull responce that actually helps the individual who obviously needs help.

[SCReptiles]

Well, when it’s my opinion that someone is an idiot, then I will express it. =) If they think I am a jerk cause I thought they were an idiot, then they will express that. Still an exchange of ideas. But I wasn’t necessarily talking about moderators by this. They are usually pretty cool. You will always find at least one democrat who will spout out, “this is not what this forum is for.” Those idiots are the ones I am addressing here.

[Matt_K]

I guess you're refering to me cause i told you yesterday the forum wasnt for you and another member to act like children with your name calling.. Last time i checked, attacks on other members INCLUDING name calling wasn't allowed in the TOS. Have you read the TOS Chuck?? Keep pushing that envelope Chuck ;)

[Colonel SB]

You can debate the issuse's of herp keeping with gusto and vigor WITHOUT makeing it personal and name calling! There is always a mature way to dicusse the issue's at hand.

Just becasue someone call you a name does NOT mean you have to do the same...it's a little something called moral high ground, you do not have to sink to thier level. It makes them look that more stupid when you don't skin to thier level.

[Shane Tesser]

Chuck, thats kind of the whole point... If you think someone is posting a "idiotic" question or response... We feel its better to educate them with facts then call them a idiot or demean them... Or just not respond and one of our members will be glad to set them straight with facts in a postive way so they wont feel shunned and will actually take the information given and learn from it.

[SCReptiles]

I guess you're refering to me
Matt, not at all, in fact I think I mentioned that this wasn’t directed at the mods. The fact is by the time you shut down that thread yesterday, no more ideas were being debated; I was just making fun of those two jabronis. You did the just thing. You locked it up, but left the opinions for later debate. The only case in which I question a mod’s decision was a debate I was having with two democrats over in the colubrid forum. They were claiming that field collection depletes natural populations and I was claiming that it didn’t. It was quite controversial. I made a post citing a case study in NC that showed hard facts that collection does not effect the populations. I then asked them to respond with facts, not opinions, showing that it did. When I came in the next day to see their answers, the entire thread was gone??? I assumed that someone had posted something off color after I went home that forced it to be deleted, but I am not sure. I don’t care for the deleting of entire threads, but I see why you would want to lock one from time to time.
What is not allowed is demeaning of peoples opinions / newer herpers questions etc.
Shane, I am behind you 100% on not degrading new members. That is completely uncalled for and not what I am addressing here. No one is born with the knowledge, everyone must learn. And if old heads only poke fun at newbie questions, they stop asking. Leads to health problems for the animals and possible danger to the keeper. On the demeaning of people’s opinions, I don’t follow that logic 100%. Example, young man asked about getting a burm a few weeks ago. Some yahoo came back and told him not to and quoted the average adult size to be 20 feet. I called that out to be total crap and it is. 20’ snakes are as rare as hen’s teeth. Did I degrade his opinion, yes by all means. But he had no business trying to advise a young keeper if he is that ignorant to the subject matter. For the record, this guys was claiming to be experienced, I would be much more patient with a new keeper.

[SCReptiles]

I guess I should elaborate on what sparked me to incite this thread. It was a statement made in the feeding dogs and cats poll in which some democrat stated we should all be ashamed because we debated this issue and that she was disappointed in the mods for allowing us to.

[Darlene]

I totally agree that the debates are wonderful. I am constanly on my pc so as not to miss a thing when a good one comes on. Even if I don't post on it I still follow the entire thing. It would be ultimately cool if the name calling could stop though. Debating opinions & facts is one thing but degrading someone is quite another.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Example, young man asked about getting a burm a few weeks ago. Some yahoo came back and told him not to and quoted the average adult size to be 20 feet. I called that out to be total crap and it is. 20’ snakes are as rare as hen’s teeth.

But that misses the F-N point completely. Who cares if the max size is only 19.5 feet. His/her (I didn't read it) point was probably that Burms get too big. Who cares if they were off by a couple feet. Their debate probably wasn't "exact average Burm size". It was probably "this animal is unsuited for you".

[SCReptiles]

Who cares if they were off by a couple feet.
Males average 12 to 14 and today’s females will rarely go past 16. So it’s a substantial amount, and my point is we do not need to fill new keepers heads with incorrect information. Very few keepers are suited to keep a 20’ snake, I do not even have a means to keep one, but keeping a 14-footer is not that difficult. But I am not going to debate this all over again. We are here to talk about controversy.

[Smilts]

debate is one thing as lng as it doesnt go to far. And why say they get twenty ft rather they do or not is unimportant. Why not describe what is involved with taking care of really big snakes and let him decide for himself

[SCReptiles]

We can take this back over to the python thread if you like, but let’s stay on track here.

[Jayson]

We need to really think here on the whole meaning of DEBATE.
Debating is awesome it is a learning tool. I back that %100.
Using demeaning methods and name calling I do not support.
When debating it is necessary to read what you are opposing thoroughly and strike all points.
eg. The whole size issue.

The responder to the thread wrote it is not a good starter herp because it gets to a length of 20ft.
In response to that it would of been: Statisticly Burms only grow to 12 to 14ft and max 16ft not 20 ft. For this fact they are for more experienced herps.

This way you were are able to show the responder with the wrong info of length is corrected and you are still covering the whole subject of is a Burm a good starter for a herp keeper.

Debating is fun as long as it is kept to the main topic if it is strayed off the initial poster gets frustrated because their question is not answered and walks away knowing essentially nothing of what he/she wanted to know in the first place.

Christina

[Mike177]

i think debateing over certern topics is a good thing untill it stops being about the issiue and about I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG, also i find just reading a debate say about uhhh... i dont know for ex. about how big burms get. you get good info just reading it because yoy get a chance to read eatch oppinion and see why thats their opinion. but once it gets into people starting to assume the worse and start throwing out critisisum because they ran out of evendace to support there opinion now thats where it needs to stop. if you cant support your oppinion anymore then just stop posting insted and saying how someone is an idiot for thinking what they do.

[SCReptiles]

Christina, you are too nice. Hit the bricks. Ha ha =)

[Batdad]

Originally posted by SCReptiles
Well, when it’s my opinion that someone is an idiot, then I will express it. =) If they think I am a jerk cause I thought they were an idiot, then they will express that. Still an exchange of ideas.

More to the point it is an exchange of opinions rather than an exchange of facts. If someone has their facts wrong you can straighten them out without attacking them. *Psychobabble 101 -usually the reason someone will attack someone else is because they feel either threatened or they are insecure*. The right to express yourself (in writing or verbally) does not give you the right to attack or insult someone. One of the things I have noticed on these forums is that when I ask for advice what I get back is a mixed bag from very useful to out to lunch, and this comes from people of a wide variety of experience. Sometimes the out to lunch stuff is a result of ignorance (not knowing), other times I think it is a result of bravado (wanting to fit in). Also some times it comes from the fact that in that persons place, time, and experience it worked for them, but goes against the commonly accepted practice or knowledge. This doesn’t mean they are some kind of low life (who could walk up under the belly of a snakeJ) that can be and should be freely insulted. One thing I have learn in my old age *old but not creaking* is that if you want to win someone to your side of a debate the last thing to do is insult or attack them, verbally or physically. As the old saying goes “You will attract more flies with honey than you will with vinegar”. Of course this is all hogwash and BS if your only fun in life is to get other people going and worked u, but then those people are the reason we have Mods.

Just MHO
Bruce

[chomsky]

Debate is a wonderful thing, and is the primary way progress is brought about. It is however unfortunate when the debate regresses into childish behavior (invective speech, name-calling, ect.). A true sign of intelligence is when an individual can respect another individual all while passionately disagreeing with him. If you really know what you're talking about (and you dont feel threatened), then you won't attack the individual . . . you will attack his ideas.

[The_Omen]

Debate is always good, it stimulates the thinking process as well as shows different sides to arguments.

A few points to consider are -
The forums are public. The arguments can and will drive away some new members.
You also have no idea who is reading any particular forum at any given time.
We 'spy' on our enemies. (Enemies = people and groups that want to ban reptiles)
What makes anyone feel that they are not capable of 'spying' on the herping community in the same way?
I bet it makes their day when they find arguments, name calling and a few that encourage illegalities instead of having to manufacture their own bad info.

Why cut our own throats for them?

[Batdad]

This whole issue brings to mind a quote attributed to Voltaire - "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." It is supposed to actually be a paraphrase of some other things he said/wrote. Another one that was written by him is:
"Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.''
Voltaire's 'Essay on Tolerance'

Having said that I think you have a valid point Omen but it doesn't speak to the issue of this thread.:) I think more of us just need to learn to agree to disagree. You are not more right or wrong if someone agrees or disagrees with you.

Just MHO
Bruce

[Zoe]

If they think I am a jerk cause I thought they were an idiot, then they will express that.

But you see, there is no point to such things on this forum. All it will insight is argument. The person being called an idiot won't just say "You are right, chuck, I am an idiot." They will retaliate, and then so will you, etc etc etc. Eventually it will just be a flame war with nothing about herps in it.

I agree, that some people cant be un-idiotified (drives ya nuts, dont it!), but then there is still no point to calling them names because they aren't here to learn, they are just here to pass their time and irritate people.

Zoe

[V.hb]

Chuck, theres to many people that would make up a stupid response just to cause crap. And alot of the people doing it are some of the "higher" up members..... Controversy is good, but it still needs its moderation........

[lordkovacs]

Okay, Chuck, what you are saying is very true. I'm all for debate. Actually, in the higher levels of University most classes are conducted as debates. For ex. I took an English Lit. class at the same time as I was thinking of my theseis (for my degree). As a result of a debate in this class, I completely changed my thesis that I had been working on for months. What I'm getting at is that debate is a very useful tool. However, when used inappropriately it actually causes regression. What I mean by this is that if you and I are debating, and you resort to name-calling, I will automatically become defensive. The result is that both of us will loose sight of what we were originally debating. So, although debating is very positive, there is an invisible line (that is very fine sometimes) that should not be crossed, or you run the risk of going way off topic.
k, that was long-winded. oh well... interesting thread.
MIKE

[tHeGiNo]

i think debateing over certern topics is a good thing untill it stops being about the issiue and about I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG

That I disagree with. That is simply because sometimes there are occassions where one individual is right and the other wrong, yet the wrong INSISTS he/she is right. Personally this is one thing I CAN'T stand. For example: Chuck is 100% right in regards to the post on the size of burms. In todays captive stock it is nearly impossible to find a 20' specimen so why lie about it and try to scare him out of it. Sixteen feet and twenty feet is only off by four. Sure this sounds like a small amount, my does it ever make a difference! For example, a while back I wanted a burm. This was before I had even handled something like a boa contrictor. Anyhow eventually I got the opportunity to hold a 7.5 foot BCI and my Lord are they ever difficult to handle! When they want to go somewhere, they will! If they were to get around your neck, I have no doubt that they could easily kill someone and would be hard to get off. Now I think to myself: if a seven foot snake is this strong and this hard to control, I wonder what a 15 foot snake with three times the girth would be like? Right there I scared myself, or rather used common sense to avoid getting a burm. So why lie and exaggerate things when you can be informative and not put lies into the new herpers head? Personally I would refer to my own experience and recommend handling a large boa before even considering a burm. Personally, and maybe Chuck is like me, but when i KNOW I am right you will have a hard time arguing with me.

[marisa]

If someone is so much more wrong than I am in debates on the internet, that clues me in that I can make my last post and leave the thread knowing I was right.

Its absolutly silly to feel the need to call anyone a jerk or idiot no matter how you feel. No one will break down and just agree with being called that, and its the SIMPLE way out of a debate. Not the smart way.

Frankly I'd rather read good debates, not "Your dumb" threads.

I believe this website allows more to be said than almost any other large reptile website. On queensnake it is far worse and if the topic moves away from that brake neck grandma knitting speed they keep it at, they delete posts. At least here you can go much further than that. For me, that makes it easier to respect the rules.

Marisa

[SCReptiles]

When someone does not have knowledge they are ignorant. Ignorant is not a derogatory term. When you give someone information and they ignore it, then they become predominately ignorant, and at that point calling them an idiot seems fitting. I like to call people decorates from time to time. Funny thing is, even people who are democrats are offended at being called one. =) Maybe it’s a culture thing, since most people here are either Canadian or Yankees, perhaps you just can’t understand the lingo of the dirty south. We are not big on sugar coating things. I would not, nor would anyone in my group, belittle someone who is ignorant. But we will point out an idiot at the drop of a hat. If you are offended at being called a democrat, don’t be one. If you are offended at being called an idiot, don’t be one. That is pure and simple. I have had differences of opinions with several people on this forum. If they present facts and draw reasonable conclusions from their facts and the facts I present, then we have no problems. In fact there has been times I have changed my opinion on issues after reviewing facts. Now, there has also been times I have differed with people who only throw out opinions and when I present facts they present more opinions. Idiots? I think so! Call a spade a spade!

[tHeGiNo]

If you are offended at being called a democrat, don’t be one. If you are offended at being called an idiot, don’t be one. That is pure and simple

LOL I love that...

[lordkovacs]

interesting Chuck. Perhaps it is a southern thing, I don't know. But realize this, if I am speaking my opinion about something, and you have a differing opinion, why would you WANT to resort to calling names? I just don't get it. What benefit does it bring? The person you may be calling an idiot could in fact be far more intelligent then you are ( i don' t mean you personally, just those people that attack others ), but perhaps just not when it comes to keeping snakes! Nonetheless, you do have some valid points. Some people just aren't skillful at the art of debating. Cheers,
MIKE

[SCReptiles]

if I am speaking my opinion about something, and you have a differing opinion, why would you WANT to resort to calling names?
A lot of names I call just out of jest. That is my personality. I believe that intelligent people base opinions on facts. So if you and I were differing on opinions and I told you the facts I base my opinion on and you told me the facts you base yours on, then we would draw conclusions from those facts and have an intellectual debate. If I present facts and you present nothing but opinions, I would declare you an idiot and move on. So being an being an idiot would cause me to resort to name calling. =)

[reverendsterlin]

yep it's a southern thing, we get it from eating sow belly, chittlins, and grits every morning (or washing it down with the white-lightening we all keep in the cabinet).

[marisa]

But you thinking someone is an idiot because they couldn't bring up facts is a generalization. This person could be an airline pilot yet know nothing of snakes. It makes the name caller look stupid themselves.

Its so petty and ridiculous to me to need to name call. I just don't see the reason for it

Marisa

[drewlowe]

chuck it's simple don't call someone an idoit. so what if they are one who cares if they remark with something wrong. then the rest of us members may read that thread and may think that persons an idiot also. That doesn't mean we have to voice it. Just keep that opion to your self. I have a name i call ignorant people but i wouldn't say it here cause it's not appropriate to use. Plus i just laugh to myself and think man what a d b.

[marisa]

LOL@Drewlowe

I love that name for idiots myself. LOL

Marisa

[drewlowe]

Yes marissa i find i use that word more than i thought i ever would. and not just on ssnakess. I find there are alot of them in the world. LOL

[SCReptiles]

Blah blah blah, if one is an idiot, one needs to be called an idiot and begin anti-idiot therapy.

[drewlowe]

then fine instead of doing it on a post where everyone can see then p.m. it to that person. Don't bash someone in public view. It's so easy to do. If you must resort to name calling then don't post, and keep it to your self. Other than that debates are great as long as someone doesn't get bashed.

[SCReptiles]

I don’t buy into the whole democrat theory that no one should ever get their feelings hurt. If you post something outlandish, then you need to reap the consequences. That is what is wrong with society today. No one wants to accept responsibility for their own actions. When I was young it was called taking your medicine. I picked a few fights with older kids and the adults let me “take my medicine” rather then bailing me out. I learned a great deal from it. More people today need to take their medicine. =)

[lordkovacs]

ok chuck, then why do you get so defensive when people jump on you? I can remember recent chatter with Omen and you got so pissed off. If you can dish it, can you not accept it as well? Perhaps it is your nature to call people names, however, some people may not realize this. You loose credibility when you resort to calling someone an idiot. People that resort to name-calling use it a) as a way out or b) a way to push someone's buttons.
cheers, and again, interesting thread....
MIKE

[marisa]

The whole point is that this internet forum needs some line of rules.

If you allow people to call others idiots, then someone will eventually start calling people other names. And so on. Why even allow it to escalate?

I am ALL for calling an idiot an idiot. And I personally hate the fake friendliness feel on most internet forums. If you don't post ten smiley faces in your message you are attacking someone.

but I don't understand what you want from this website? You want Jeff to say, "Ah hell with it, go ahead guys say how you feel!" ??? Sure that might work for you, since you may be able to control yourself. But it won't work for others who cannot, or for some jersk who just want to fan the flames or trolls etc. Then this website would lose valuable members because everyone is sick of wading through piles of forum garbage to get to any normal conversations.

Things have to be limited or all this will become is a unmoderated newgroup where zero flow of real information is passing. I don't see how "taking your own medicine" is even possible over the internet. You can give or take what you wish from this website, and all Jeff (and the other mods) ask is that it is kept semi clean and semi adult in maturity level. Its not that hard really.

THe minute I see someone "freak out" on the forums that person loses a lot of my respect (not that anyone needs it) but when I see a person use logic, normal adult conversations and mature sentences to prove their points, I am far more likely to view them as a valuable member of the reptile community and someone who is commited to reptiles on a whole. Not commited to themselves and fighting on the internet.

Marisa

[Linds]

Originally posted by SCReptiles
The fact is by the time you shut down that thread yesterday, no more ideas were being debated; I was just making fun of those two jabronis.

Because that is what happens when people start name calling and making unproductive posts. If people could stay out of the playground and quit the deprecating remarks we would never have to close down any threads. If you call someone a moron, they aren't going to shoot back with an intelligent debate, its jsut gonna start things. If you feel someone is an ignorant piece of work, instead of calling them that how about trying to educate them so they aren't like that instead of hitting the hornets nest with a stick? These forums are for sharing and learning, not for fighting, and thats all that happens when derogatory comments are made. :rolleyes:

Yes there are loads of ignorant, thickskulled people in this world. A lot of which deserve a swift kick to the shins, but even if you feel this way about someone on these forums, its about being civil and respecting the rest of the members and their posting access. They can't contribute much intellect to a scrap, moreso if the entire thread gets shut down.

[nomes]

well, well a debate on the word idiot,this could be me at times but i prefer to see my self as uniformed, or has miss information,hope some one did inform the person who was inquiring about the burm, of cage size requirement ,heating ,amount they'll need to budjet for feed,and life span of snake,etc cause while you are arguing about who knows more and whos the idiot,a malnourished large snake may just be escaping from inadequite housing and oh dear here come another reptile ban.. i'm new here i come to be educated so i don't buy impulsivly that cute little snake that will grow 10-20 feet which i can,t handle. so call me an idiot or help educate me. i love my herps but sometimes what i know is not right,support and education is what i want from this site not to see people humiliated..thats all cheers mates

[SCReptiles]

but I don't understand what you want from this website? You want Jeff to say, "Ah hell with it, go ahead guys say how you feel!" ??? Sure that might work for you, since you may be able to control yourself.
The only thing I think the mods should do different is if things degenerate to the point no more ideas are being exchanged, they should delete the worthless posts and lock the thread rather then deleting the entire thread. Other then that, I really have not had any problems with what these guys and gals do. My direction here is the general population that always spouts off about “that is not what this is for.” As for what I want, I like it just like it is. This is the most user friendly and fun forum I have ever used. I like exchanging ideas and debating, and occasionally arguing. I only want the democrats to understand internet forums were designed for debates and controversy and I wish they would knock off the “that is not what this is for crap.” That is what this is for! =)

[drewlowe]

most of us are saying debates are great it's when it gets to the point of name calling is when it's bad. You don't have to call people names to get your point across. I belive (but not quite sure) why you started this tread. If the other thread was the reason you started this one it wasn't because of the context (i don't think) I belive it was because someone came on and started calling people names. Thats what alot of us are saying debates yes name calling no.

So is so simple you just don't want to do it. If you feel the need to call someone an idiot then think it or say it out loud if you must. Then write down the correct answer without the name calling. You do have the right to free speech but here the mods. have the right to run this site the way they see fit.

[SCReptiles]

I belive (but not quite sure) why you started this tread.
The inspiration was a democrat telling everyone they should be ashamed for debating the dog eating topic and same lady blasted the mods for letting us.
ok chuck, then why do you get so defensive when people jump on you? I can remember recent chatter with Omen and you got so pissed off.
What, in the blue hell, are you talking about? Every Saturday night I am booed and called names and hit with flying objects from thousands of wrestling fans. Then I am bashed over the head with steel chairs and tossed into broken glass and barb wire. My head is about 40% scar tissue and I do not get pissed off from that! Do you really think anything I read on the internet could ever piss me off? I have never been angry in anything I have said on here. I often return what I am given, but it’s never in angry. =)

[reverendsterlin]

Since in general most repeat problems will come from the same group of individuals (just like queensnake), though I have had my moments as well, it would probably be more effective to moderate the individuals not the threads. probably wouldn't take long to get tired of every post you make (mean or nice) sitting in web limbo until a moderator feels like taking the time to clear it, and the slower the mods are getting to it the better.

[lordkovacs]

I don't know Chuck, Omen seemed to rattle you a little. Point is, you asked him to STOP what he was saying about you. it got to the point where you were very upset. My point is that it shouldn't have to get to that point.

[hip]

Hey Chuck are you saying you wrestle on the weekends? I would think that you are the only member on this site that wrestles pro or are there more? What are you signature moves? Debate is good as long as it is kept civil(I have slipped at times myself) So I took a break and had a look at my negative side and have seemed to fix the problem somewhat (except for taunting and bugging Jeff F) which is all in fun plus I think he could hurt me with his figure four lol. I am curious though Chuck how do you know those people were Democrats? or are you making asumptions based on what they said? Is there a chance they could be something other? I am just a bit confused on that one,i also got to ask does the chair in the head hurt? or are you just one of those folks who have a high pain tolerence? trust me I would cry like a little girl if it happened to me. Thanks



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[SCReptiles]

I don't know Chuck, Omen seemed to rattle you a little. Point is, you asked him to STOP what he was saying about you.
It wasn’t what he was saying at all. It didn’t bother me at all, it was the fact he was spewing out his crap on that thread about mudboy, who as you know passed away. The fact is I even opened a new thread just for him to ridicule me, but the mods killed it.
Hey Chuck are you saying you wrestle on the weekends? I would think that you are the only member on this site that wrestles pro or are there more?
Far as I know, I am the only one.
What are you signature moves?
I do the hardcore style. The stuff that was banned in NJ. I am mostly known for blood, but my finisher is the piledriver.
Chuck how do you know those people were Democrats?
Cause democrats are the ones that think we are unable to do or discern things for ourselves. We need big government or some other organization doing everything for us. I can distinguish a democrat by the things they say.
i also got to ask does the chair in the head hurt? or are you just one of those folks who have a high pain tolerence?
Hell yes it hurts. =) But a high tolerance of pain is required to do this job.
http://secw.bravepages.com/Chuck/dsw/champposeblood.jpg

[The_Omen]

It wasn’t what he was saying at all. It didn’t bother me at all, it was the fact he was spewing out his crap on that thread about mudboy, who as you know passed away

I guess facts, verifiable and from your own words, are 'spewing crap' ?
Odd, I thought that only democrats considered the facts to be crap.

I guess that's why it's so easy to get you riled up, and with emotional responses and name calling.

Rush even says that name calling is a sign of a true democrat and he is also right 99.something % of the time.

I can distinguish a democrat by the things they say.

Check your voter registration card again Chuck, I think you might be a closet liberal and don't realize it.

By the way, mine says republican. ;)
Maybe I need to change it to Liberterian.

And once again, we have another NON-productive thread that was started just so Chucky can use the names he likes to call people that disagree with him and or show where he is in the wrong.
(side note - such a high rate of name calling and emotionalism, I had to look twice to be sure Al Gore didn't start this one ;) )

[NewLineReptile]

Originally posted by SCReptiles
Every Saturday night I am booed and called names and hit with flying objects from thousands of wrestling fans. Then I am bashed over the head with steel chairs and tossed into broken glass and barb wire. My head is about 40% scar tissue

I think you had one to many hits to the head with a chair

Brandon

[SCReptiles]

By the way, mine says republican.
You are old enough to vote?
I think you had one to many hits to the head with a chair
One is too many, normal humans couldn’t endure. =)

[The_Omen]

One is too many, normal humans couldn’t endure. =)

Abby Normal.. nice to meet ya. :D

Don't worry Brandon,
Usually the tap with the chair is not as hard as it looks and sounds. Some wrestlers, Dusty Rhodes for example, give their foreheads a shallow slice with a razor blade just prior to the engagement, where it will 'explode' with blood on the first semi hard 'hit' with an object such as a chair, the mat etc. Which is why Mr Rhodes forehead is nothing but scar tissue as well.

[red bootz]

Don't diss wrestlers. They have their tricks, but there's no way getting around the fact that they endure an inhuman amount of punishment. Would you put a razorblade to your head?

[The_Omen]

Would you put a razorblade to your head?

Yes.

Everytime I shave :)

[red bootz]

Ha Ha. Good one:)

[SCReptiles]

Everytime I shave
You are old enough to shave?

[Katt]

A word, is just a word, what makes it different from any other word is intent.

I'd be offended to be called "Fluffy" if someone meant it in a mean way.

[chomsky]

Ironically, this thread has seemed to turn into exactly what it was talking about. Also, the redundancy of mine and others' messages has grown exponentially, and yet it is still not made clear enough to penetrate the entire audience.

Katt brings up a relevant aphorism. The primary functions of these forums (i assume) are are directed toward the association, education, and dialogue of herp enthusiests. If you want to call anyone an "idiot," "democrat," or "ignorant," because they don't know as much as you, or because they merely disagree with you, then I dont know what you are doing in the forum. People new and old to the hobby come to get help, info, or comradery. If people wanted to hear egotistical murmurs, they could just go to the nearest grade school, . . . or democrat convention apparently.

I guess pro wrestling wouldnt be as entertaining without the name-calling, but I just don't think it's useful, or helpful in herp forums (eventhough it may be entertaining for some).

[tHeGiNo]

LOL I find it ironic that half the people who are yelling at Chuck for bashing seem to be bashing him as they speak heh.

[tHeGiNo]

Also, I find this whole thread pointless, forgot to mention that :D Do people really get that offended by being called an idiot? Frankly, I couldn't care less. I am confident enough in my self to know I am not an 'idiot', so if someone wants to call me one go ahead :o I also think that people take things way too personally. Wow I just added to the pointless thread.

[chomsky]

you have a good point.

[Lisa]

Originally posted by SCReptiles

I think you had one to many hits to the head with a chair

One is too many, normal humans couldn’t endure. =)

so you're saying you're abnormal and thick in the head?

[The_Omen]

Hmmm...
It all adds up now... :D

On TV every saturday night...
Lives in Tennesee, travels to Georgia a lot...
Really hard headed...

I think the lil banjo player is all growed up now. :)


http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/989youdecide1.jpg

I see a resemblence. ;)

[SCReptiles]

Outstanding! That is the first funny thing I have seen or heard from you. Perhaps you are not such a dork….what am I saying. Of course you are, but that is still funny. =)

[lordkovacs]

hahah... and I agree with chuck, that is funny! Little Banjo Boy.

Gino...I don't think anyone is bashing him in the least. And I dont' think he's bashing anyone (in this thread). It is an argument now, and not really a debate. For a debate you need a topic, and this thread has lost it. It's interesting though, nonetheless!

cheers all!!! and won't someone please think of the children!!! haha

MIKE

[TheRedDragon]

Man, if all banjo players looked like that I might actually show more intrest in the music. *L*

[Darlene]

LOL , Red Dragon , me too !!
BTW Chuck.....have you ever wrestled in the Maritime Provinces of Canada ? My father ran a wrestling school & traveling show here for years a time ago. I do quite miss being in the ring myself. It was always such a blast !! (except for one mistake that ended up with me being thrown onto the announcers table!).
LOL

[SCReptiles]

Man, if all banjo players looked like that I might actually show more intrest in the music. *L*
LOL , Red Dragon , me too !!
Umm, are you two hitting on me or are you just saying you are really into that death rock type music where the bands like to bleed? =)
BTW Chuck.....have you ever wrestled in the Maritime Provinces of Canada ?
I have never worked the Canadian territory, but I have close friends who have. John Tenta, is actually from Surry, BC. You may know him as Earthquake from the WWF. He has told me a lot about working up there. I would like to make a tour thru there someday. Do you will have connections? =)

[Shane Tesser]

Canadian Territory? Its a country...do we have to come down there and burn the white house down again like in the war of 1812 just to prove a point? LMAO im kidding ;) Love both countries :D

[mk-ultra]

its funny how the people that think this thread is pointless actually post a pointless line saying the thread is pointless ...

just wanted to add my 2 cents ...

btw SCReptiles you are so right :P

[SCReptiles]

Canadian Territory? Its a country...do we have to come down there and burn the white house down again like in the war of 1812 just to prove a point?
Be cool bro, territory is a wrestling term used to describe a certain promoter’s area of operation. At one time Stu Heart ran all of Canada, so he had the Canadian territory. I am not up on Canadian wrestling, but I am guessing there are several territories in Canada these days.