New acquisitions

[SCReptiles]

Barry and I made a trip down to middle Alabama on Sunday and brought back a few new specimens. We are very pleased thus far.

This little girl was captive born to parents from Perry County, KY. This phase is called Motley in the corn snake world, so I guess this is a melanistic Motley Timber rattlesnake. I have a melanistic male that was CB in 2000 to Perry County parents. I am very excited about crossing these two and seeing what we get.
http://secw.bravepages.com/Chuck/pics/black_timber_2.JPG

This is the brother to my banded black rattler. He is much larger then his brother, but as you can see he has the common chevron design. This is fatboy’s first rattlesnake. =) He will be housing and working it at our building until he is ready to take it home.
http://secw.bravepages.com/Chuck/pics/black_timer_1a.JPG

This girl is possible gravid. Very beautiful yellow phase timber. The chevrons and stripe are rust colored rather then black. Somewhat unusual.
http://secw.bravepages.com/Chuck/pics/yellow_timber_1.JPG

Nothing spectacular about her, but she is still a cool rattlesnake. She is a CB 2000 that I will breeding back to my Dade County, GA cane this year.
http://secw.bravepages.com/Chuck/pics/yellow_timber_2.JPG

[fatboy]

Yep there's my boy. Was waiting for those to get posted Chuck.

[SCReptiles]

He is awesome! Pushing 4 feet and black as night.

[fatboy]

Yep, tail looks like black velvet when freshly shed.

[BWSmith]

First timber has a great pettern.

[Vanan]

Nice timbers and canes!

[SCReptiles]

First timber has a great pettern.
Thanks man, this is the male I am planning to breed back to her. I am very excited to see what they produce.

[Linds]

Congrats on the new additions!

[fatboy]

Much appreciated.

[Snakesafe]

Folks, Until you see the new acquisitions in person you just can't appreciate them. I have seen them first hand they are beautiful specimes. Can't wait to see the offspring. And having had a hand on Leroy, I can personally speak to how impressive he is.

:)

[SCReptiles]

welcome on board chris. make sure you check on the new to forum board. the scr team continues to grow. =)

[snakehunter]

are you sure that 3rd pic. is a timber, it looks like a canebreak to me.

[SCReptiles]

are you sure that 3rd pic. is a timber, it looks like a canebreak to me.
Well, scientifically speaking they are all timbers in this day and age. I discussed this with Brian the other day. Everyone has a different take on that. I have heard that if the vertical stripe is predominate then it should be a cane. But I have also heard that if the background color is yellow or black, it’s a timber and if its gray, it’s a cane. I have seen timbers from northern VA with a predominate stripe and that should be well north of the cane range, and James Evans has a timber that is very gray and it is from KY also north of the cane range. Truthfully, I don’t know the true method to distinguish them. As for me, if yellow or black, I call it a timber. If its gray, I call it a cane. On the one you asked about, it looks more gray in the pic then it really is. In person the background is “yellowish” in color, so I would call it a timber. But if you want to call it a cane, I will not argue the point. It may well be. Any one else have any thoughts on distinguishing them?

[Ed_r]

Have always heard the pronounced stripe down the back makes it a canebreak. Also the locality, true timbers don't seem to go that far south. Plus the venom is supposed to be very different. So if you were to get tagged, you surely would want to be able to tell the difference.

[BWSmith]

origin is the biggest factor I think. If it is known. If it is hot pink, it is definately a Cane in my book. If it came from FL or most of GA, it is a cane in my book. *shrug*

[SCReptiles]

Plus the venom is supposed to be very different.
Right, it was my understanding the Jasper County, SC canes have been found to be 37% Neurotoxic, and Brian is working on getting us some research that shows they become even hotter further down south. Where I live the canes and timbers overlap, so my best guess would be that there is little difference in the venoms with this locale, but comparing northern timbers to southern canes, should be like day and night.

[BWSmith]

I wonder if Fry would have an easier time tracking downt hat study for us. I have not been able to get hold of the DNR guy.

[SCReptiles]

Perhaps, he is a man in the know. I will also call Gordo and ask him if he can get it.