Het for R*tarded

[Serpent-King]

I got some questions about possible hets. What the heck are they? How could something be pissible het??? Makes no sense, you should know if something is a het or not. But even if it's "possible" why would someone pay extra money for it? You could be paying 150$ more bucks for something that isn't what you're hoping for. then you got screwed over on a normal. So why would anyone buy one? Seems really ********. And then if it's "possible" anyone can sell a normal of as possible het for piebald or something. Not because they know its relatives are piebalds, but because in reality, it is remotely possible that it just may be het. However far out that it. So anyone could just make it up knowing that their just making it up, and be right in doing so. This all makes no sense, can someone explain?

[Alicewave]

It's hard to explain but I'll try. I know someone else will come on and explain it better. I think it's when you cross a het with a normal. There's a chance that the babies might carry the het gene but there's also a chance that they might not. Until you breed the animal you have no way of knowing whether they picked up the gene or not so they become "possibles". Normally people don't charge very much for a "possible". I hope this clears it up for you.

[Serpent-King]

Sorta, it all makes a little bit more sense, but it equally as stupid.

Hey, why did it edit my topic??? R-etarded ain't no cuss.

[SCReptiles]

Someone could be offended by that word. I demand an apology. =)

[Colonel SB]

I agree with you serpent-king, even though I fully under stand possible hets. I do not raise the price on my babies if they are possible hets but I will let the person know about it. IMHO it's just a way to make a quick buck on a slim chance.

[Jeff_Favelle]

But even if it's "possible" why would someone pay extra money for it? You could be paying 150$ more bucks for something that isn't what you're hoping for

Because you could ALSO be paying like 10% of what you would normally pay for a full-on het. People prove out possibles all the time. Its very lucrative.

As for being dumb for buying one? Man, you know nothing of the market. Having a male 100% het and 3-5 female possible hets will usually yield full on homozygous morph babies. Its nuts. and for like 1/3 the cost of just buying a pair of hets! Serious breeders do it all the time. Tell them that they are dumb when they are making $80K a year off of possible hets. I dare you.

[reverendsterlin]

I really see them as usefull only on very expensive morphs.
A 'possible 50% het' has a 1 in 2 chance of being a 100% het.
A 'possible 66% het' Has a 2 in 3 chance of being a 100% het.
If I buy a 100% het male, and a number of 'possible het females', best case I have the possibility of producing the morph in the F1, worst case I produce '50% possible hets' of my own.
A 100% het piebald ball python can run as much as $4000.
From a business view if I can afford 5 possible het females each with at least a 50/50 chance of being a 100% het for the price of 1 or 2 100% het females I can in the best case wind up with 5 100% het females and produce numerous of the morph in the F1, the flip side is I wind up with no het females until the F1 generation, but at a minimum investment. For most other non-high end animals possible hets are of little interest except to the individual breeder and basically run the same price as normals with 100% hets running a little more.

[Vanan]

Like the Rev said, its only useful on very expensive morphs. Noone's selling a corn 50% poss het for albino!

[Serpent-King]

Anyone want to buy my possible het for spider ball? only 5,000

[snakemann87]

All i know is im sticking with 100% hets or a normal morph, screw the possibles i dont gamble

[Tim_Cranwill]

Prove that it's a possible het and we'll talk.... Scam artists go to jail. Honest breeders make friends and money. Which do you sound like?????

[Serpent-King]

Possible, who knows, it could be. No promisses because i said possible. Muhahha, anyone can scam that and get away with it.

[Tim_Cranwill]

Some people just don't deserve my time......

[Serpent-King]

Awsome

[Linds]

Like Jeff and Rev mentioned, and also...

Originally posted by Serpent-King
And then if it's "possible" anyone can sell a normal of as possible het for piebald or something. Not because they know its relatives are piebalds, but because in reality, it is remotely possible that it just may be het. However far out that it. So anyone could just make it up knowing that their just making it up, and be right in doing so.

Yes anyone can, and many people do. That is why you only purchase hets/possible hets for reputable sources, and make sure you have the paperwork to back it up. And nobody that is "just making it up, and be right doing so" is right at all. Its people that do that, that pollute the hobby :mad:

[gonesnakee]

It's quite obvious that some people just don't get it. I don't have the $5,000 CDN to buy an Albino Ball Python, but I have $5,000 to spend on a group of animals that will produce one. Lets talk hets. 100%het female $1,500 & 100% het male $500. For 5G I can have 3 girls & a boy guaranteed to produce Albinos. The only difference between a possible het & a 100% het is that you don't know if its het or not until you breed it out. Anyone that truly understands the concept knows that pos hets are a good thing & can save you thousands & also make you thousands. I don't have the time too explain it now to the people who "Don't get the big picture" but beleive us people 50% pos hets are worth it. Unless you deal with scumbags of course. Mark I.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Like the Rev said, its only useful on very expensive morphs. Noone's selling a corn 50% poss het for albino!


That would be inconsequential Vanan, because normals and albinos in corns sell for the same price. Why bother with a possible het albino corn for $40 when you can buy an albino corn for $40?

[Jeff_Favelle]

Anyone want to buy my possible het for spider ball? only 5,000

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were joking because het-spiders don't exist. The morph is dominant. No hets man.

Not sure why the joke was funny, but I'm still giving you the benefit of the doubt that you actually knew that spiders were dominant.

[Lisa]

I'd only buy a poss het off of someone that had actual morphs for sale.

[Edwin]

I agree, buy from a reputable person if you are looking into possible hets. My ball was sold to me as a possible het for albino, and I never got the chance to test it out, but I paid a premium for it. Unfortunately, since I was not sure, and could not remember who the breeder was, I sold the ball off at a normal price. Better safe than sorry, lying only hurts you in the long term.

[Invictus]

I would buy a possible het from a reputable breeder, but only if I would be otherwise content selling normals of that species anyway.... just in case the "possible" is not in my favor.

[Vanan]

That was my point exactly Jeff. Like, woopee doo, I have a poss het corn!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Ha ha!

I know man, I realized that after I read your post again. I knew we'd be on the same page, ha ha, we usually are! :D

[Colonel SB]

I agree that for a breeder lookin to at a trait into thier collection poss hets are a good deal...but for the average joe ie. me they jsut arn't a good decision.

[fanmaninacan]

I wouldnt buy a POSS het Unless its from a reputable breeder....
BUt i know there are starters with good intentions...I will only buy if I see the Parents...In life...

I dont really like poss hets...(will consider if i am looking forward to buy a big group at least 1.3)

Its a gamble


T.P

[lilyskip]

so this is a really stupid question, but what does "het" mean?

[Bryce Masuk]

Het means the snake carrys a recessive trait that cannot be seen it looks just like a normal but when 2 hets are bred together it produces the morph it has the hidden trait for
I summed it up as short and simple as possable if you need more LMK

[Lisa]

Actually buying a whole clutch of females to breed against a proven het male is best way to increase your chances, not just getting a couple.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Actually buying a whole clutch of females to breed against a proven het male is best way to increase your chances, not just getting a couple.

Wrongo. Buying a whole clutch has no greater odds of yielding hets than buying one het from multiple clutches. The odds are what the odds are. Buying them all from one source does not increase those odds. Seems like it would, but it doesn't.