Sunglow X Dh Sunglow

[fanmaninacan]

SO no matter what all the babies

OK IF*
THE mother is SUNGLOW STRIPED
N FATHER is a DH SUNGLOW

WHAT WOULD THE OFFSPRING BE CALLED
{would all the 1s that look like hypos be call DH SUNGLOWS, 50% HET stripe}???????????????

T.P

[Zoe]

Genotype:
1/4 double het sunglow het stripe
1/4 salmon het albino het stripe
1/4 albino het salmon het stripe
1/4 sunglow het stripe

Phenotype:
The normal-looking ones will be double het sunglow het striped
the salmons will be het albino het stripe
the albinos will be het salmons het stripe
and the sunglows will be het stripe
(same as genotype, basically).

Zoe

[fanmaninacan]

IT is possible to get normal looking babies??????

Wont it look like albinos/salmon/sunglows --BECAUSE A NORMAL IS NOT INVOLVED

i heard there will be albinos n sunglows but the rest would be DH SUNGLOWS....

IM Confused now...LOL


T.P

[Zoe]

Yes you will get normals... 1/4 will be normals because the male is a double het.
The normals will be hets, but they will apear normal.

is mom is aass (albino/salmon = sunglow) and dad is AaSs (normal DH sunglows):

a a
A|Aa Aa
a|aa aa

(thats supposed to be a punnet square lol) and you get Aa (1/2) and aa (1/2)
And its the same with the S's:

s s
S|Ss Ss
s|ss ss

(so Ss 1/2 and ss 1/2), And if you cross those you get:

Aa1/2 x Ss1/2 = AaSs 1/4 (normal DH sunglow)
Aa1/2 x ss1/2 = Aass 1/4 (salmon het albino)
aa1/2 x Ss1/2 = aaSs 1/4 (albino het salmon)
aa1/2 x ss1/2 = aass 1/4 (sunglow)

And of course all are het for stripe.

[fanmaninacan]

What if the DAD is a hypo DH sunglow~**

?

T.P

[fanmaninacan]

N wait

ALBINO X HYPO = all DH SUNGLOWS ,, right???...SO how would u get a normal looking DH sunglows?

T.P

[Jeff_Favelle]

Hypo is co-dom and unless its a super hypo, only 50% of the babies are going to be hypo. Hypo is like the Boa world's Pastel.

[reverendsterlin]

T.p. your saying the father is a DH sunglow, meaning he is a NORMAL het for salmon(hypo) het for albino (thus becoming a DH sunglow). If he passes only his normal genes to an offspring then the offspring may look normal (but as said hypo is a co-dom so maybe not because of the mother's influence))

[BigDan]

You guys are going to love this.

Sunglow Striped X DH Sunglow

Number 1 DH for Sunglow and salmon 100% het for albino are the same thing.

Number 2 you cannot have albino het for salmon. The salmon gene is codominant so it is either expressed or it is not. Salmons are actually hets for that condition the homozygous salmon is called a super salmon. With co dominant genes you only need one gene to express the trait. This also works the same in Pastel/super pastel jungle ball pythons, tiger and super tiger retics plus a few other boa morphs.

Zoe you did not take into consideration that the salmon gene is not a simple recessive but it is co dominant when you did your punnett squares.

If you bred the the above 2 snakes together. Basically you have to look at it like breeding 2 salmons together because a sunglow is an albino salmon and a DH for Sunglow is a salmon het for albino.

So lets do that.

If you breed a salmon to a salmon you get the following:

25% will be salmon
50% would be super salmon
25% would be normal

Now you factor in the albino gene and the striped gene and you get the following.

I will break it down a bit. Because we are dealing with an albino (sunglow) and het albino (DH for sunglow) 50% of the above babies would be albinos and the other 50% would be 100% het for albino. SO lets figure that out.

Of the first 25% salmon group from above 12.5% would be salmon 100% het for albino and the other 12.5% would sunglow albino all would be 100% het for striped.

Of the 50% super salmon group 25% would be super salmon het for albino and 25% would be super sunglow albino again all would be het for striped.

Of the last 25% normal group 12.5% would ne normal 100% het for albino and 12.5% would be normal albinos all again 100% het for striped.

This cross is alot more complex than it seems at first glance because what you are doing is crossing a triple het (sunglow striped) with a Double Het (Salmon het for albino aka DH for sunglow ) and throwing in the co dominance just for fun.

Your final breakdown would be:

12.5% Salmon het for albino 100% het striped
12.5% Sunglow Albino 100% het for striped
25% super salmon 100% het for striped
25% super sunglow 100% het for striped
12.5 % albino 100% het for striped
12.5% normal 100% het for albino 100% het for striped

To add more confusion to it all is that you cannot tell a salmon from a supersalmon by looking at it physically in general. You would have to test breed it to a normal and find out. For example a salmon bred to a normal produces 50% salmon and 50% normal a super salmon bred to a normal produces 100% salmons. The same applies to the sunglows and supersunglows if they were bred to a normal albino.

Have fun

Dan

[Zoe]

Ah! Okay, i didnt know hypo was co-dominant (well I did, but I wasn't thinking of it when I posted :P)

[fanmaninacan]

HEY!

NEVER HERD OF super sunglow!!....LOL---THATS COOL
Nor albino SUNGLOW???!!


WoW!!!

THANKS GUYS!
T.P

[BigDan]

A sunglow is a albino salmon also known as a sunglow albino, salmon albino. It is the salmon and albino gene in one snake.

Because they have the salmon gene which is codominant you can also have super sunglows along with your super salmons.

The genes all work the same way they are just different combinations which give the different color varieties.


Dan

[LILCREEP]

so all the salmon offspring would be poss het sunglows right???
im a wee bit confused

[fanmaninacan]

SO there will be no DH sunglows?

[BigDan]

LIL creep all the salmon offspring will be definate het for sunglow also know as salmon het for albino also known as Double het for sunglow.

Salmon het for albino = Double het for sunglow both of these are the same thing. It is different terminolgy but it means the same thing. Another example would be albino het for snow this could also be termed albino het for anery. Both mean it is an albino boa which carries the anery gene.

How can there be poss het for sunglow when you have bred it to a sunglow in the first place.

I really do not know how I can explain it any easier.

Obviously I have confused you even more by the looks of things, but if you plan on doing these projects in the future you should do the research behind the genetics behind the projects and learn the terminology that goes along with it.

I just do not know how to expalin it to you any other way, maybe someone else can take a crack at it.

Dan

[fanmaninacan]

Hey!..

so all the salmon babes are Dh SUNGLOWS?..LOL

T.P

[fanmaninacan]

Hey n jeff

I quote "hypo is the boa world's psatel"

I heard ppl call there boas PASTELS b4???!??!(r they considered as a hypo?)

T.P

[chappy]

I think that Jeff was only trying to give you a comparison about how the genetics work, so if you breed a pastel ball to a normal 50% will be normals and 50% will be pastels and if you breed a hypo boa to a normal 50% will be hypos and 50% will be normals?
and yes there are pastel boas...

Am I wrong Jeff?

Dan I found your explanation pretty straight forward, Thanx Im going to bookmark this post :)

Thanx
Nick

[Jeff_Favelle]

I meant that the Boas Hypo morph was the first co-dom morph and the first to be mass-produced. The Pastels were the first Ball co-dom morph, as well as the first to be mass-produced. Yes, boas have a pastel morph, but its neither co-dom, nor is it mass produced.