Pcpc?

[LILCREEP]

can anybody tell me why everytime ive asked the workers @ port credit pet center where there albino boa's came from they wont give me an answer
all they say is they didnt come from generasian and that its a breeder?
anybody have any ideas?

[reptilez]

maybe there wild caught?

[chappy]

Hmmmmmmm I've never heard of a W/C albino, not to say there isn't but I highly doubt that these are. Do you expect all the employees to know where all the CB animals in that store came from? The stores not HUGE but theres a lot of stuff in there. I have a pair of these albinos all I know is they are Kahl line and that mine are healthy and great eaters.

[LILCREEP]

well i do think they know who they came from its the way they respond when i ask
they said it was a breeder
they say that i dont know them ? how do they know who i know and who i dont ?
as far as knowing where all there cb animals come from NO i dont but high priced animals yea as asking who they came from is a normal question everyone should ask when buying a high end morph

[BigDan]

If you are paying $1500 plus for an animal DAMN RIGHTS I would want to know where they came from.

Unbeleivable.


Dan

[AnOle]

They probally don't want to tell you becuase tehy dont want you to go to the breeder and buy one streight from them for cheaper.
Brad,

[reptilez]

just because we know there name doesnt mean we know where they live/work.
If someone walked into m store and was interested in a $1500 reptile i would treat them like royalty to make sure that they walk out of the store with it.
I wouldnt be a smartas$ and say "you dont know them" or anything like that. i would try to be as nive as possible.
-Reptilez

[chappy]

Or maybe the breeder doesn't deal with the general public and is a straight wholesaler who wants to remain private...

[reptilez]

thats what i was goin to say but i wasnt sure on it.
Are there Breeders that only deal with shops?

[Linds]

Originally posted by reptilez
Are there Breeders that only deal with shops?

There are plenty breeders that stay out of the eye of the public and stick to wholesaling their stuff to stores or other wholesalers, or having it brokered, simply to avoid all the headaches that come with the territory.

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

LILCREEP:

I know where your coming from I to asked and got the same answer even when I was about to buy there whole lot and I still got some "way off none straight" answer. I guess its there business but like BIGDAN said if your paying 1500.00 or so for animal and these albinos as you are inquiring about you should know the whole history. There are no excuses, even if the so called breeder is private you they should be able to pass you onto the breeder for contact. But this is all like a smoke screen, true reputable breeders will give all information if they have it. When they say not GenerAsian, think twice.....why would they say that! But I think you do have the right to know all history on an animal if it exists.

Goodluck with your search.

Tony

[reptilez]

What exactly does "GenerAsian" mean?

[chappy]

When they say not GenerAsian, think twice.....why would they say that!

So that people know they are unrelated to a lot of the other albinos that were produced and some that remained in Ontario...

[nuno]

LILCREEP, The breeder of the albino boas is a private breeder who prefers to wholesale his babies and stay away from the public. I have talked to him cause I got a pair and obtained all the info on the boas I could get. The Parents of the babies came from Pete Kahl and this is the first litter from the parents who are the origial strain which means they are F1 Kahl albinos.

PCPC has to respect the wholesalers privacy and that's probably why they can't give you that info. I personally haven't seen albino W/C boas.

The boas are beautifull and eating like machines. :D


I hope that the info helps.
Nuno

[nuno]

Tony, The reason they are listed as "not GenerAsian" is so that people know they aren't the same blood line. There was a few litters of albino boas produced this year and this was a way to tell them apart.

Breeders have the right to stay nameless and pet shops have to respect that.

Nuno

[BOAS_N_PYTHONS]

NUNU:

I know that, I am not saying anything againsy GenerAsain or PCPC. And the breeder if not any of these 2 has the right to stay private. But when you ask a question and get an answer not from a certain source, its like LILCREEP said why they say it that way. I mean most people do not know of GenerAsian, so why answer something that way if the question was who breed them, not who didn' t?

Get my point, its fishy but it does not matter to me either way I am happy with my 2 pairs. I keep my animals private and there source breeder/supplier/location as well. Unless the breeder/supplier/location wishes me to promote him/her.

Even when I sell an animal I give all information I have on that animal to the next owner from total history I obtained, feeds, sheds and any study I made on that animal.

I think and hope people who buy animals off me appreciate the care I put and record keeping I do on the animals.

Peace out no harm done.........lol

Cya...

Tony

[boa]

i agree with lilcreep when buying a albino you should know who breed them if not thats why people are having problems with cross breeding also they should know everyone who brings in cb so you know the real bloodline take care.nice post lilcreep

[boa]

nuno sorry to speak up but you got a pair right you know about those albino's i feel if you bought them from pcpc like other people did they should know the same thing you do.
to tell you the truth i never bought my male because they would not tell me who breed them so they missed a sell there have a great day.

[fanmaninacan]

I think The buyer should know where the snake came from..
Its like selling a chocolate bar .... n not saying whats its made of...

T.P

[nuno]

Originally posted by boa
i agree with lilcreep when buying a albino you should know who breed them if not thats why people are having problems with cross breeding also they should know everyone who brings in cb so you know the real bloodline.

Shawn, you must not have read the posts, the boas were said to not be "Genderasian" so that people who already bought from them would know the snakes weren't related. You didn't buy a male cause you said you had nine albinos come into you hands and alredy had a male. The blood line of the boas are Kahl line, I'm sure that the staff would gladly tell you that info. Due to privacy issues I think that the breeders deserve to have their names kept private. Shawn, you bought from Genderasian so what bloodline are they?

Nuno

[boa]

peter kahl line nuno.

[Jeff_Favelle]

the boas were said to not be "Genderasian"

Ha ha, I didn't know asian was a gender?

JK.


All albinos in Canada (for sale) are going to be Kahl (original) Line for sure. But I agree with LILCREEP. If I'm gonna spend $3 Large on a pair of snakes, I want to know the history. Albino Boas are EVERYWHERE and the competition is fierce. Why would I buy one from someone who couldn't tell me the history, when 5 other people can sell me theirs that they ACTUALLY bred? I'm not into risky deals and I make sure I know where an animal is from. I could understand if it was a Boelen's or a Blackhead or even a cool dwarf monitor. These things aren't readily available so the sellers can afford to withold important info normally given with a sale. But albino boas ARE readily available from multiple sources. So most people will choose a seller that has the info to back up the sale.

Not saying that PCPC is wrong. Its their animals and they can do what they want with them. They will still all sell. For sure. But I agree with LILCREEP. I'm cheap. That's too much money to buy something without that kind of info.

[asphyxia]

How many different lines are there?
or is there too many to list.


Thanks
Brian

[Jeff_Favelle]

2.

Kahl (original and from Pete Kahl) and Sharp (from Brian Sharp).

[asphyxia]

So everything is "Inbread" i guess and that would explain the messed up eyes

B

[boa]

i belive thats why they always have problems with missing eyes and stuff like that correct me if i am wrong.

[Jeff_Favelle]

So everything is "Inbread" i guess and that would explain the messed up eyes

Heh heh Brian, boas have nothing to do with baked goods.

The one-eyed thing is a whole other ball of wax, that I don't believe is due to inbreeding.

[boa]

i seen a guy breed albinos and most of his albino were missing eyes so i do belive that it is from inbreeding i can see maybe 1 being without eyes but almost a whole littre does not sound proper to me.

[paul_le_snake]

the sharp strain are so beautiful, but a load more expensive and harder to get
cheers
paul

[BigDan]

The inbreeding thing all depends on the ethics of the breeder. If a person buys a sibling pair of albinos from a breeder who produced them from a sibling pair and so on then yes I would believe alot of these problems are from inbreeding.

There are also alot of very gentically strong albinos out their that have been outcrossed to unrelated animals for generations and are no more inbred than any common boa out there.

This is why knowing the source is so important to future breeders as it allows them to choose additional animals which would be the MOST unrelated to the stock they already own.

I have 4.5 albino boas in my collection and have gone to extreme lengths to find and research the sources from where they came. The 9 animals come from 6 different sources I also have a large group of unrelated 100% hets and double hets that I intend to use to further diversify their bloodlines and hopefully produce healthy animals.

Many of the NORMAL colored boas out there are also badly inbred. How many times do you see people buying sibling pairs at reptile shows so they can breed them in the future. I have also noticed in certain areas(cities) many of the boas have very similar appearances. This is due to the fact that not all that many people breed their animals successfully but a few individuals do it year after year and sell babies. These animals circulate around and even though they may be 2 years seperating them they came from the same pair of animals only different litters. This is still inbreeding!! Many normal animals are also born with defects but what happens is that they are only worth $100 so the deformed or sickly ones are usually humanely put down but when you have a $1500 animal and you have a gimp in the bunch well then he goes for $600. These sickly or deformed animals should not be used for futre breeding as it will only cause additional problems.

I strongly beleive we should try to avoid inbreeding if possible as it only causes problems down the road. When you inbreed you are basically lining up genes that you consider favourable, ie color or pattern. You want to reproduce these traits in the next generation what you are also doing is lining up all the unfavourable genes ie no eyes, kinked spines what have you and inadvertantly producing those unfavourable traits as well.

It may take longer when you outcross but you will end up with healthier and more gentically sound offspring.

Dan

[PortCreditPets]

Well its rare I comment on these forums but I think this is warranted.

Many breeders prefer to stay private when they sell their offspring. Like Linds said. For whatever reasons. Be it personal, business or they just dont want to get dragged into such a posting as this. Anyone that has asked has been given the complete history on these snakes as we know of.

Be it a $35 Cornsnake or one of the Albinos or even higher priced animals all of the new owners are offered any information on the history related to the reptiles they go home with. Be it CITES or even breeders emails and or phone number we have no problem in offering up such information when the breeders ok it.

LILCREEP I would like to know who you asked regarding the history of these snakes.

As for my friends (staff) responding to questions they tell everyone their knowledge of each reptile on site. If they arent sure they will forward such questions directly to me. They know I am reachable literally 24/7 from the store. The majority of the herpers all assumed seeing the albinos and our close relationship with Kahane that they were his offspring. So if by chance and inquiry was made "are these Kahanes" I am sure my staff would have said these are not Generasians.

Also BOA if I had a sale every time you wanted to buy something LOL :P You know personally I gave you all of the info so your reply is really unwarranted and why you posted that comment I dont know.

All in all we like any reptile distributor respect ones request for info on their purchases but at the same time we respect the many breeders that wish to stay in the private world of the hobby. If by chance you wish to discuss this further please feel free to call me, email me directly at grant@portcreditpets.com or msn me directly at pcpcmail@rogers.com.

If anyone is intersted in the albino boas they are direct lineage from Pete Kahl. Pics of the babies and parents are available upon request.

Otherwise have a great day

Grant Crossman
www.portcreditpets.com

[paul_le_snake]

didn't chris marshal have a load of albinos too?? real lookers if i remember
cheers
paul

[Linds]

Paul,
Chris produced 100% het albino babies this year.

[paul_le_snake]

i stand corrected
cheers
paul