Possible phases from two garden phases?

[BoidKeeper]

Hey,

I'm just curiouse as to what the possible phases are that can occure from pairing to two garden phase ATB's.
Thanks,
Trevor

[Colonel SB]

You can get all of the possible natrual phases! The chances are smaller but you can still get them.

[BoidKeeper]

possible natrual phases
Which are? I know squat about ATB colour morphs? Do they work like receive colour traits in other snakes like albinos? Or is it controled by something completely different?
Thanks,
Trevor

[TonyL]

Hi Trevor,

I am definitely not an expert but do have a couple of ATBs. I believe you can get garden, red and halloween phases from a garden/garden cross. The reds would not be intense like dark groves snakes but Darren Hamill got some amazing reds out of his pairing. The garden morphs will likely dominate.

I believe the only phase you will not get is the yellow/gold as you need both parents to get this morph.

Hope this helps. I am sure some of the breeders will help you out further.

[BoidKeeper]

It does thanks! Halloween's my favorit too!
Cheers,
Trevor

[Linds]

For the most part, almost all ATB colour phases are not genetic. Never know what your gonna get :)

[BoidKeeper]

Thanks Linds. So if I understand you, it's not like with corns for example were pattern and colour muttations are passed down through simple receive genes is it?
Thanks,
Trevor

[Jeff_Favelle]

EVERYTHING is genetic. DNA controls all about the phenotype except scars. Everything you see about a snake's appearance is genetic.

Now whether or not its single-recessive, co-dom, dom, pigmented layers, etc etc is not known. Right now, the color morphs of ATBs are not single recessive or dominant. They may need to be together in combinations to express themselves etc etc.

[Ed_r]

Lets make one thing clear. The color variations in ATBs in the same clutch are NOT morphs. ATBs have this color variation to ensure their survival. If 2 gardens get together there is genetic uncirtanty as to what dominant color has the best chance of survival, so they throw a variety in the clutch. If 2 yellow collor pattern ATBs were to breed it would show that the yellow color is a good survival color, then more of the clutch would be yellow, this could be from hotter climate(slower heat absorbtion) or maybe, the hiding areas are say bananna trees, so they would have good como. There is a definate rhyme and reason to ATBs. Darker color ATBs would probably live in higher elevations or cooler climate( better heat absorbtion) Garden coloration will almost always be in each clutch just incase of a climate change.

[Jeff_Favelle]

Exactly Ed-r. I wouldn't take it as fact, but it sure makes sense. Animals look and behave the way they do because it allows them to exploit their desired niche better than the next animal. Well, in ATBs, it might very well be to their advantage to have random phenotypes due to changing vegetation and/or climate. This might be their adaptation in nature.

But it hasn't been studied to my knowledge, so this is speculation at best. But its sure fascinating. Ed-r had a great thought. This stuff makes my spine tingle. Its what makes the planet to damn cool!

[Linds]

Well what I meant by not genetic, is in the sense of morphs, perhaps I should have used better terminology. As Ed said, they are not morphs, this is why I refer to them as colour variations or phases. They are not proven out as any recessive trait or whatnot. There was one that was proven out in the past while, I forget what it was...maybe leopard? I can't recall.

[Ed_r]

Robert Henderson does allot of research on them, He gets very overcomplicaten in my oppinion though. He has 2 books out that I know of "Kaleidoscopic Tree Boas " , and "Neotropical Tree Boas". I've read the second book. Just seems to require an actual scientific explanation, other than mother nature just found a way.

[Ed_r]

Drives me nuts when I see ATBs at shows. they have the bland gardens for $20, the a nicely colored one that more than likely came out of the same clutch for $200.00