sunglow ? and an answer

[LILCREEP]

1.do you think a hypo x albino or salmon x albino
which do you think will produce better looking dh sunglows and sunglows the following generation?

2. i dunno about everyone else but a salmon and a hypo are not the same , ive seen some nice hypos but ive seen alot that looked pretty plain, if you see an ad for a hypo for $300 - $400 cdn you need to ask yourself why so cheap

all you need to do is look @ rich ihle's site and see what salmons truely are worth.

also if you breed a salmon x albino not all the babies will be dh only the salmon or the hypo babies are the dh sunglows

breed a super salmon x albino and all babies are dh sunglow

[Zoe]

1. salmon x albino

2. i don't think anyone was claiming they were. hypo isn't a genetic recessive trait. If you breed a normal to a hypo you don't get het for hypos, you get normals with less spotting. If you bred hypo to albino you'd get an albino with a cleaner pattern.

Zoe

[Zoe]

Actually what I wrote was wrong. I looked it up and I think this is an adequate answer:

The first hypo-melanistic boas came into the country from Panama. These boas where referred to as Orange-tails, because of the intense orange on their tail blotches. As a result of both line-breeding and out-breeding to lighter common Colombian boas, several phases have been established. Salmon phase hypos tend to have a darker rose-like pigmentation. Super Salmons, which are a product of breeding a salmon to a salmon, tend to be very light in overall color with very little black scaling. While hypo-melanistic boas lack black pigment they are not albinos. They lack melanin to certain degrees. There are hypo-melanistic boas born with nearly no black scaling but they still carry the black pigment. This trait has been proven co-dominant.

[LILCREEP]

Zoe - im not sure what that meant but i wasnt claiming that a hypo = albino "While hypo-melanistic boas lack black pigment they are not albinos."

my point was that there are some who believe that hypo is the same as a salmon and that hypo x albino = dh sunglow
im just wondering what a sunglow would look like if it came from a hypo x albino and then the dh offspring were bred back to each other if they would be = in quality as say a salmon x albino

[Jeff_Favelle]

Salmon is just a refined hypo. Its compatible with the other hypo lines out there so they are one in the same. Lots of people have nice hypo lines, and Rich is just one of those people.

Hypos were graded (price-wise) from the beginning, and that's not about to change.

[BigDan]

Jeff is correct

There are different lines of hypos/salmons out there. Not that they are different genes but they were first bred by diifferent people.

Jeff Gee, Rich Ihle and one other breeder his name escapes me all started working with hypos around the same time. They are hypo melanistic and the salmon name is more of a trade name developed by Rich Ihle to differentiate his animals from those of the other breeders.

Rich Ihle has also done alot more work with the hypos and therefore has refined his animals to a higher degree. If you look at his site there are a few ugly ones in the bunch as well, but he does produce superior salmons because he has worked with them for many years.

I have a pair of salmons directly from Rich and they are very beautiful animals. My male is possible super salmon 66% poss. het for sunglow. He was bred to a common female and I am waiting on the outcome to prove him out as a super. If all the babies from the common female are salmons then I know he is a super. This season I plan to breed him to an albino female to see if does carry the albino gene.

My female from Rich is Salmon DH for Sunglow and I have bred her to an albino male. If all goes well the litter will consist of 4 different color morphs 25% Salmon DH for sunglow, 25% normal 100% het for albino, 25% albino and 25% sunglow.

A sunglow albino is a hypomelanistic/salmon albino, it is the salmon and albino genes expressed simultaneously in one snake. Basically you will have and albino with more intense red coloration, cleaner pattern and extremely high contrast. They also keep this high contrast red and white into adulthood more so than normal albinos which turn yellow and lose alot of their red coloration as they age.

Dan

[LILCREEP]

so how do sunglows rate as far as coral albino's then?
thx dan for clarifying my salmon came from todd constable and was originally from bob clark which was from rich

i really like coral albinoa as well but do they keep there red too?

[Lisa]

now i'm really confused. how about some pics of what each one is.