makin a site what do you think?

[snakemann87]

well as for the setup and home page:) thats all I got i started it a day ago and just started up again, heres the link
http://www.geocities.com/theexoticshaven/index.html

[The_Omen]

I like the background.

Ditch the 'Available' and 'Care Sheets' sections.

You are nowhere near being a breeder or a dealer, so no need to mislead.

And the caresheets, please don't write your own, mail owners of sites and ask if you can link to theirs or use theirs if you give THEM full credit.

[snakemann87]

I am doing that and why take down the available?? I am using it at the moment if you didnt check it out. So check it out!

[Reptile1]

Nice site!If your a breeder i would have the sections Omen said to delete,also can i add a link on your link page?
clcik here to see my reptile forum,it wont let me post my link... (http://*******************************************)

[snakemann87]

PM me the link, IM not a breeder yet but will be after I move and there s no need to delete the availble when IM using it

[snakemann87]

I got the link up on my LInks Page reptile1 if you wanna look

[dank7oo]

nice site!
if you have those animals for sale, then leave them in the available section ... no one said that you cant sell animals that you no longer need'want/can take care of
keepp up the good work (the background gives me a headache)

[Reptile1]

thanks,nice site!Everyone view the links page!j/k

[Reptile1]

who host your webpage?IS it free?Can you give me the link?

[Reptile1]

just one more hint,when i click on ssnakess my site somes up,everything i clcik pulls up my site,and please answer my question above...

[Clownfishie]

Looks pretty good to me! :) For your caresheets, just make sure that you get your info from reliable sources if you're writing your own -- or link etc. to one from a reputable source/breeder (with their permission of course!)...

[snakemann87]

Yes i am definately getting good caresheets no doubt there. Omen said i shouldnt put it up but he wasnt aware I have animals for sale its ok. But i will be breeding. and as the link shows reptile its hosted by geocities. just go to www.geocities.com and sign up yes its free i fixed the problem. I duplicate a link, then align it, then duplicate those two, align, duplicate ya see so my columns are straighter:)

[snakemann87]

does anyone know any good breeders who willingly allow you to use their caresheets?

[The_Omen]

The 'Available' section was empty when i looked.
But look on all the sites that you are on, and just ask if you can use their sheets.
Double check them though as I have found some that are downright deadly.

[snakemann87]

Ok ya I just put the available up and i know anapsid.org has some nice ones, nerd for you basic info

[The_Omen]

Don't call me a nerd... :)

[snakemann87]

huh?? i said nerd the reptile breeder has good caresheets, LOL

[Herpkingdom]

I honestly cannot believe this kid!!!!!

I mean just a few months ago he was coming into a forum and asking advice on whether or not he should get a burm. We told him, at his age we recommend he didn't get a burm and he did anyway. Then he goes ahead and get half a dozen more reptiles, most of which he had no idea how to care for. Now he is getting ready to move across the country and is trying to sell his lizards. Then he posts that he is going to buy some leopard geckos.

And on top of all that, he now says he is going to be a breeder next year.

A few points:
1. Snakemann87 is only 15
2. He just got his first snake several months ago.
3. He has/had no idea how to care for a few of the reptile he currently owns.
4. He refuses to take into consideration advice from people who have many years experience and does was they say not to, then goes and posts the advice he didn't take as his own to others who are going to do exactly what he did.


There was an article a couple of months ago about the proper way to keep herps. In it was a section on "herp fever" or herp addiction". It stated that many newbies, after geting their first reptile, go on a buying binge and buy everything they can to get an large collection. It said that this is not right. All you end up with is a large collection and no time to spend with each animals because all your time is spent cleaning cages and working to make enough money to buy food (and more reptiles).

I think snakemann87 has fallen into this. Over all the years I have been keeping reptiles and amphibians I have had 1000's of different animals. But for each one (other than the first one) I researched for several months how to care for them. When I had burmese pythons the albino burm was just coming into being. Bearded Dragons and Leopard Geckos haven't even reached America yet.


But I digress......

My point here is to try and let him see that he is 15, he has his whole life to make his dream come true. Take the time to get teh experience before you jump into anything. Especially breeding reptiles. Last year i bred cornsnakes for the first time. It was my first ever breeding venture in the 27+ years I have collected reptiles. I have had animals come through my collection that were gravid upon arrival, and I don't count them as my breeding them. Most moved along right after I found out because I didn't feel I had the experience, and this was after 10 years working with giant snakes.

I know there are some people out there who will disagree with this, but in my experience and in my opinion, snakemann87 is not ready to handle any more then he currently has. I feel he won't be ready to deal with any type of breeding project for quite a few years down the road and if he does try it will only be harmful to the reptiles he owns. He proves this to me in his immature repsonse to criticisms of all of his posts.

Now I will be gone for the next year due to a job offer I accepted overseas. I don;'t know what to expect when I get back as far as he is concerned, but hopefully he will take some oif this advice/criticism to heart and take his time. Deal with the herps that you have. Learn from them. Stop buying a new one every time you get some money in your pocket. And most of all....
Take you time, you are young and have plenty of it to learn and gain the experience needed to care for what it is you wnt to have in the future. Everything doesn't have to be NOW!.

[snakemann87]

Herpkingdom, I considered a leo. If you read my posts and actually KNOW about me I am not getting it. I may breed leos when i move, yes im sellling leos. The first snake a few months ago is bull. I got my LAST snake a few months ago. Ive had my ball python over 2years now. Bull I dont no how to care for my herps, they are in perfect health. My burm that is gonna die as everyone on RTB said is FINE not one case of IBD, respitorys NOTHING. So please, post this on PM next time THANKS

[snakemann87]

Oh again Ive had money in my pocket buddy. Over 300, ya thats not alot but for a 15yr old it is. Wait wheres taht new herp of mine?? Ya the last was the sav. Also you think I can control my dad having to move?? NOPE so I'm dealing with it. TONS of people sell their pets cause of moving but I get critisized for it?? BULL crap

[Herpkingdom]

Look at your "I own" List!

It speaks for itself. A couple of months ago it only have 3 snakes on it. Now I see savannah monitors tokay gecko, and what happened to the grass lizrd? ????

Now you have fish. And went into how you were going to get another oscar and a big tank and and and.

Read your own posts man! You get one animal and all the sudden the fever takes hold and you have to have more!

I go by what you say to base my opinions on. If you are not actually going to go through with what you post, then don't post it! It only starts getting under people's skin to see you post how you are getting this and that and you are going to do this and do that. Do you realize how many herps end up in rescues because of people like you???? 1000's!!!!!!!! They get them, have no idea how to care for them and then the parents have to deal with them by taking them to the shelter.

I'm trying not to bash you here, but you tend to just spout off at the mouth without thinking about the consequences of wht you are saying. Take your time. THat is my point. Don't rush into getting everything you want all at once. You have many years to obtain the animals that you want.

People like myself are just reacting to all you post and thinking "Great here come some more rescues in a year or so". We think about the animal, while you just want what you want whether or not the animal suffers due to your lack of experience. The proper way is to get the experience first, then get the animal. Not get the animal and then post, "I just bought a lizard, can you idnetify it?" And I won't even go tino how once you found out it was sick you took it back to the store and traded it in for another lizard you had no idea how to care for. And I can go on and on. If you want I can even start post links to the other threads you started about what animal you were getting this week.

If the moderators of this site feels I am bashing him, I apologize. I just don't want to come back in a year and see him selling burms and other reptiles to anyone with $35. But I think I will see a thread on the BOI about him if he continues to go this route.

[snakemann87]

Yeah ok. Wow what a list I own huh?? 6 herps and fish. The grass lizard and ig where sold already. if u must no

[Serpent-King]

Hold up! Cut the crap. He is moving and will need to reduce the collection a bit. So what? He doesn't claim to be a breeder or anything. And if he wants a couple caresheets all the power to him. We need some good caresheets, I personally hate anapsid's because it's not much help. Snakeman, props on the site. You did nice work, even for geocities. Ironically when I was buildin a herp site I used the same BG. Don't let em get to you man. They're just holding a grudge.

[Herpkingdom]

So you sold a sick Grass lizard....

Did you just make my point for me or what?

I can guess that you didn't spend the money to take it to the vet and get it better before you sold it to an unsuspecting person.

[snakemann87]

uM??? no, it wasn't sick. I cared for it like i do all my pets. My friend who has a BP owns him/her now and its fine

[snakemann87]

Thank you Serpent-King, ya for geocities i dont think its bad. I will hopefully buy a domain soon:) LOL ok i wont use anapsids caresheets for your sake:)

[Herpkingdom]

THis is after he bought a grass lizard....

http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13415

And this was the post were he said the long tail was sick.....

http://www.redtailboa.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=11519


Shall I go on????

You seem to forget that everything I am commenting on is in reference to posts you have made and I can just search through the several forums you post on and find link to what you said..

Much easier to keep you story straight if you tell the truth.

[Leo-Land]

Hey Herpkingdom, which country are you going to over seas?

[snakemann87]

yes and?? did i not apologize for my MISTAKES!!!!! Im human freaking deal with it god. AND LEAVE THIS TO PM i dotn want this on my site thread

[Serpent-King]

Herpkingdom. You lost your right to critisize when you got the reticulated python at the age of 10. Serriously, cut the crap. He's a good herper let him be. How long did it take for that 17 foot python to land itself in a rescue or end up dying because you too, were inexperienced enough to care for it. Now snakemann got a burm at the age of 15. He had previous experience with other herps. I mean it ain't like he dove head first into the biggest snake in the world at the age of 10. Smart move huh? Think before you give this kid hell.

[Herpkingdom]

This is not your thread, once you hit post it became public.

I know you have made mistakes and the whole purpose of making them is to learn from them. So learn from them. All of us, including myself, have made mistakes and learned from them. ANy advice we give here is to help you not to make the same ones we did. If you can learn from our mistakes you won;t make the same ones we did. But it seems you have to do it your way and refuse our advice and make the same mistakes we did. Only the animals suffer.

And you can always buy another reptile.......Right?

[snakemann87]

IM trying to learn from them. But people out there like you are giving me a bad name saying i got 3 snakes in a couple months. Giving me crap DEFINATELY isnt going to help me learn ill tell you that

[Herpkingdom]

Obivously...

When I got my retic at such a young age, it WAS a mistake. I am not doing this to bash him. I advised him not to get the burm, and gave him my mistake to learn from. He refused the advice and went ahead and got it anyway.

THe retic lived out his life at a farm in PA after he reached a length that was too large for me to handle even with three people with me. He died several year ago at the age of 22. The person who took him from me just contacted me last month after reading some of my posts on this and other forums. THe retic was 26' and over 350 lbs when he passed.

[snakemann87]

yes but im the only one being reemed out. I know rachelS and mike177 or w/e have burms nad they are young. ok enough just tell me what you guys think of my site thats what i wanted in the first place not this crap

[Serpent-King]

Holy crap. That must have been a sight to see. Bob's fluffy aint even that big I don't believe. Did he manage to snap a couple pics?

[Herpkingdom]

I think the site is a good start. I know over the coming months you will redo it again and again. I know I did :) You'll be sitting eating dinner and all of the sudden you get an idea for a new format for the pages and you'll just have to change it. I think I finally got my site where I want it to be for now. I know I'll redo it in the future, but for now it works.

Although I would try toning down the background a little. It is kind of overpowering to the eyes and distracts from the sites content.

As far as the pics of the retic, I am currently awaiting them. He has to take the negatives to the photo shop and have them put onto disc before he can email them to me. I hope he can do this by Sunday as on Monday I leave for a year and won't be online except to send emails to fmaily and friends.


Snakemann87, keep workig on the site. Gather as much information as you can for it. Post links to numerous caresheets for each species. I think it was ZOE who was doing that. But make sure to get permission first before posting the links :)

Good Luck, and try to remember we are just trying to show you the mistakes we made so you don't make the same ones and the animals doesn't suffer.

[Serpent-King]

awsome! I'm so happy you glad to see that you're more interested in helping Don now. It'll be better for Don, his herps, and everyone here!

As for that retic pic I can't wait!

[snakemann87]

thanks herpkingdom

[JeffT]

I think it is pretty good, I ove the backround. Let me know when its all done.

Jeff

[Reptile1]

snakemann87,please dont be offended by them,they are allways like this,ALLWAYS!theres nothing we can do about them,come and post it on my board,we can act decent over there...you know you people realy need to get a life your always pickin on someone for very little thing,even when theres nothing to gripe about,you all must not have a life.like i said snakemann come to my board...

[snakemann87]

im at your board but its all settled out dont worry. but even tho i dont always appreciate it, alittle criticism is ALWAYS good. i appreciate it when its over even tho i dont show it:)

[Leo-Land]

Reptile1, stop advertising your site. It's annoying to always read everyone of your posts talking about how much better your forums are.

[Reptile1]

LOL,you are so funny,he knows my site alreay,i dont have a link out so im not advertising.Theres an example of what i was talking about.lol

[Auddi01]

Snakeman- i like the site you have a good start, check mine out and see if you like it, i am 15 also, me and my friend share the site. it is a tripod site, i looked at geocities but i like tripod better. will u put a link to my site if i put one of yours on mine?

http://CLICK HERE (http://cancherps.tripod.com/)

[Leo-Land]

Reptile1, I've read almost all your posts and on most of them you talk about your site being so much better. If you don't like SsnakesS and the people on it, leave and stop complaining.

[Reptile1]

I like it but there are WAY to many popups...

[snakemann87]

d/l a pop-up killer

[snakemann87]

auddi Ill gladly link your site

[Serpent-King]

What adds?

[snakemann87]

lol

[JeffT]

ya seriously...i havn't gotten a single pop up.

[HerpFan]

yeah,many popups...

[snakemann87]

i havent gotten any o well

[reptiledude21]

why is reptile 1 banned?

[Invictus]

Snakemann, not a bad first site. Reminds me of my first web site, many many many years ago. :)

I must say though that I hate the background. Way too busy. But still, you've got a good start.

[Invictus]

I'd also like to add this, trying to maintain neutrality.

There are a few people on this board who think that you need to be a bloody herpetologist in order to undertake a breeding project. It's not something that requires a 7 year PhD to do. But, even in my case, I'm getting into breeding because there are a LOT of experienced breeders in my city who are more than happy to lend a hand or a word of advice.

Snakemann, I don't give a rat's furry butt how old you are. If you want to undertake a breeding project, just make sure you've got someone experienced in your area to lend you a hand. I'm 27 years old, and even I wouldn't undertake this without help.

If you have the support, I say breed some herps!

[HerpFan]

no the pop ups are on your friends page...

[HerpFan]

if your going to be a breeder dont you need a breeder lisence?

[Auddi01]

thanks snakeman

[HerpFan]

if not i want to be a beeder on my forum also.

[snakemann87]

thanks invictus and i never heard of a breeding lisence?

[Bryce Masuk]

Site looks good I should get one up but I am too lazy lol

[Mike177]

LOOKS NICE i am starting a site of my own as well!!!

[Invictus]

I've never heard of a breeding license either, but it might be worth it to check out your local laws surrounding this.

[Mike177]

Snakemann87 is only 15

age is not a factor resposibity for you actions, commitmit to your anamal and excperance with your anamal are factors that come into place but age should not be one, i have seen kids with resposibilty to care for there anamals and i have seen some that are apsolutly incapable of careing for any anamal at all!

[Mike177]

I've never heard of a breeding license either, but it might be worth it to check out your local laws surrounding this.

Invictus,
some city have ordances on keep certin exotic anamals due to some insedents from past years the kid in colorado for example (for those of you who have never heard of that a 15 boy who was 4'11 was killed and 1/2 eaten by a pet burmese python who was alowd to free-roam). so my getting a breeders licence you are able to give the city a bit of money so you can keep and/or breed anamals in your home. i dont know alot about it but i know i am getting one soon because where i live my pets are illegal (even though the local pet stores sell them and i talked to the lady at the city anamal shelter and she said as long as you dont get complants the city wont take action)

[Zoe]

lol, Herpkingdom, I just read this thread and it scared the crap out of me to see my name in caps! :D My computer crashed (fried) a while back so all the date is gone, but I'm getting the data extracted by a lab (1000$ well spend). So everything is not lost! I'll be working on it again when I get my computer back. Anyone wanna help? It's a LOT of work. Even if it's just e-mailing caresheet(already found) writers for permission...

Zoe