Pastel Boas?

[Colonel SB]

I just wnated to know what makes a pastel boa a pastel? I might be getting 2 and i just wanted to get more info.

Thanks Darryl

[Darren Hamill]

Darryl,

Contrary to what some people believe, true "Pastels" come from only two different lineages. The Ronnie line and EBV line. These boas were specifically bred because of their light coloration and reduction in heavy flecking/dark pigment. Many people advertise their animals as "Pastels" when in reality they're not..


This is IMO... and many others will agree as well.. Many people coin their boas as "Pastel" to simply demand a higher value for their boas witch are not properly represented...

Best of luck to you...

[Colonel SB]

Would you have some pics of true Pastels or know where I can find some. Thanks for hte help Darren.

[LILCREEP]

try jeff ronnes site
the boaphile
http://www.**************/boaphile/

[LdyDrgn]

no need to try to link from 'that other site'. Mr. Ronnie has his own site!

The Boaphile (http://www.theboaphile.com/)

Morti used to work with him. After seeing pics of baby boas that were born here last year, Ronnie told Morti that he could call a few of the offspring 'pastel' based on the coloring alone. They are not related in any way to his boas or EBV's. Doesn't seem to me that Ronnie feels his or EBV's lines of snakes are the only pastels out there..... ;)

[McCarthy Boas]

Hi Darryl,

Here are some pictures of my female "Pastel Boa". She is not related to Jeff's bloodline. She is from my own bloodline that I produced in 98. I did e-mail Jeff about 3 years ago and asked him if he thought if my female BCI was a pastel and he said yes she was. Now I wish I did not sell the other 8 babies out of a clutch of 19 that looked just like her. Just think some lucky people got there pastel boa for $50 to $80. I am still kicking my self for that one.

This picture is from 99
<img src="http://www.mccarthyboas.com/NewSandy2.GIF">

<img src="http://www.mccarthyboas.com/Sandy04.jpg">

<img src="http://www.mccarthyboas.com/Sandy02.jpg">

In this picture she is with a normal female BCI.
<img src="http://www.mccarthyboas.com/SandyBigMama.JPG">

Take care
Tom

[Darren Hamill]

Originally posted by LdyDrgn
no need to try to link from 'that other site'. Mr. Ronnie has his own site!

The Boaphile (http://www.theboaphile.com/)

Morti used to work with him. After seeing pics of baby boas that were born here last year, Ronnie told Morti that he could call a few of the offspring 'pastel' based on the coloring alone. They are not related in any way to his boas or EBV's. Doesn't seem to me that Ronnie feels his or EBV's lines of snakes are the only pastels out there..... ;)

That’s news to me!

There used to be an on going debate as to weather or not people should be rightfully using the "Pastel" name to their boas if they haven't come from original lineage. I wasn't aware Jeff's opinions had changed.. I apologise if this is the case. But as I said in my first post… It’s IMO… :)

[LdyDrgn]

S'alright Darren. :) Morti has a couple of Ronnie's pastels here, too. One is from his Lucy line... don't remember what the other one is, LOL. Joel Dubay also had his own line of pastels that Ronnie now owns (bought'em all!)

As far as what Ronnie may think about his snakes... you must remember that he does not view the Colombian bci to be BCI at all. So he calls all of his boas BCC.

[snakemann87]

WOW those are some NIIIIIIICE boas. I cant wait till my girl(which is sitting around my neck) gets that big. I like the pastels but out of all boas, my favorite is EASILY the Monster Tail Hypo. God when I saw one of them. I flipped OUT!!!!!!!!

[Darren Hamill]

Originally posted by LdyDrgn

As far as what Ronnie may think about his snakes... you must remember that he does not view the Colombian bci to be BCI at all. So he calls all of his boas BCC.

Yes I remember Jeff's talks about his views on Bcc vs. Bci... I can't say I ever completely agreed with his views but it is an interesting conversation...

I haven't talked to Jeff or Morti in some time now.. Maybe it's about time I bought a few more cages lol.

Thank you for you're time and effort to post on the forums LdyDrgn... I enjoy reading what you have to say and you're views on many subjects... :)

[Zoe]

Would you deem this a pastel?

http://www.indiepool.com/privateftp/archermultimedia/zoestevens/images/bci/bci15.jpg

I'd never have thought so, but she looks like the snake in Tom's pics.

Zoe

[LdyDrgn]

Zoe... to me that looks to be pastel. Pastel is a reduction in black pigment, less freckling/flecking, muddy sides on the tail and washed out medallions. If you look at a 'normal' boa, you will see more freckles, the medallions will be very clear, the sides of the tail aren't as muddy and there is more black pigment.

Darren - thank you very much! As far as speaking to Morti, just e-mail him. He found out about 6 months ago that he was no longer working with Ronnie. His job was just given to someone else.... If you no longer have his addy, shoot me a PM and I'll give it to you. He remembers you. ;)

[JD@reptiles]

than i guess my boas are pastel too

[Blueeheeler]

I have a female and I think that she too is a "Pastel". What do you all think?
http://home.attbi.com/~blueeheeler/wsb/media/129645/site1.jpg
Thanks for looking, Blueeheeler

[Blueeheeler]

http://home.attbi.com/~blueeheeler/wsb/media/129645/site1006.jpg

Try this one. The other one is so small. Sorry Blueeheeler

[Zoe]

WOWEE!!! I'd say so!

[BigDan]

Here are some pics of a female boa I have in my collection that I would "term" a pastel she has a huge reduction in black, is very clean and really pink.

Pastels can be very variable in terms of pigment just as salmons can and I also personally beleive that this gene acts in a co - dominant manner similar to the salmon gene.

The father or his snake was a beautiful pink and very clean animal he was bred to the blackest, ugliest female boa I have ever laid eyes on. This breeding produced the snake below.

If this morph is a selectively bred trait you would produce young with coloration somewhere in between the parents. I viewed the whole litter of 23 babies and 11 were clearly extremely different in coloration (pastel) from the other 12 really dark like their mother. The female below was even brighter and pinker than her father.

I have a large group of these so called pastel boas and intend to try and work with them to figure out what is going on in terms of their genetics. Whether or not I am successful who knows but they are very beautiful boas.



http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/508/1112pastel_shot_for_web-med.jpg

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/508/1112pastel_side_shot_close-med.jpg

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/508/1112pastel_tail-med.jpg

You can see by the pics that she is missing almost all her black coloration.

This boa was born and bred in Canada and has nothing to do with Jeff Ronne's stock.

Just my 2 cents.

Dan

[Scales Zoo]

Wow Dan, nice Boa. Except for the tail, the rest looks very much like a salmon.

Zoe's boa is also very nice.

I'd love to see the babies that those 2 snakes could produce.

I don't know much about pastels, I wasn't aware it might be a co-dominant trait.

In my opinion, if someone wants to label the term pastel for boas that look like the above, they can't pantent the name to their stock - as it seems as if there are other snakes that look just as good or better, and I would definitely be happy to buy them as "pastel".

Ryan