Yes I smoke...deal with it!

[daver676]

Ok, so I'm outside having a smoke break at work, and one of my co-workers on the way to her car says "It'll stunt your growth you know".

I'm curious as to how many of these comments I have to endure before I'm allowed to bitch slap one of these people upside the head! :medangry:

Dave :med2cool:

[Ed_r]

I'm curious as to how many of these comments I have to endure before I'm allowed to bitch slap one of these people upside the head

I guess that depends on how many of us non smokers can return the slapping for the in-considerate smokers,that take 15 smoke breaks a day in addition to the regular breaks they are allowed, while i sit and work, and take up their slack.

This may not apply to you. Just usually why non-smokers make such comments.

[OttawaChris]

HAHA well put!!!

[The_Omen]

Start smokin...... Quit ya B....in..... :)

[Alicewave]

be glad you don't live in CT. We just passed a law (which I'm thrilled with BTW) that Bans smoking in bars and restaurants.

[Scales Zoo]

This thread could become a source of amusement for some. While I was driving semis across the country delivering everything from frozen chicken to bedding plants, a group of drivers had this conversation...
What if we (the drivers) decided we were not going anywhere? Fuel, tires, taxes, food, all cost too much, so screw it we are staying here until things get better. Lock up the compound, and sit it out. Between us, we had loads of fuel, bread, milk products, meat, friut and veggies fresh and frozen, beer, soft drinks, dry goods like toilet paper and paper towel and paper cups, coffee and cigarettes. We were set for at least a couple weeks.
It was fun speculating what would happen to this country if the drivers did not deliver goods for a month. Stores would be out of milk, bread, coffee, fresh produce not to mention coffee and cigarettes. To top it all off, they are also out of toilet paper, diapers and beer. No meat to be found, and the gas pumps are empty, you cant even go anywhere to buy anything you want, and they are probably out of stock there as well.
When you look at it this way...let them smoke, drink and eat red meat...things could get ugly if they dont.

[Ed_r]

You can take my red meat I can hunt for myself. You can take my toilet paper, I'll use leaves. If you touch my Beer, now thats grounds for war!!!:p

[sSNAKESs.com]

LOL!!! Well i beleive its personal choice if one smokes or not... Personally, I quit all week and then when its the weekend and i see Shane, its all over for me and I smoke again... But this is going to end now... Not for health reasons, but for $8.50 for a 25 pack here where i live, its ridiculas... $60 - 100$ a week on smokes is like 250 - 400$ a month and that is just insane... I mean it might be stupid to smoke, but its out right stupid to spend that kind of money and get nothing back in return, except some black lungs, yellow / missing teeth and good chance of getting cancer... It just doesnt add up...

I smoke, am trying to quit and know reality... If you dont smoke, dont start, if you smoke... wake up! ;)

[Matt_K]

Jeff, even if you quit, you will still be smoking at least a pack a day for 3 days on weekends when at Shanes.. :D Good Luck with your quitting, you have no will power :D HAHHAAH.. j/k

[CyberGhost]

Smoking is badd, but if somone wants then let them!!!

[daver676]

As far as making up slack, I do more than my share already. I don't take smoke breaks if there is work to be done, which means I don't take too many smoke breaks.

But please, all you non-smokers out there, this is my choice to smoke, and I am a curtious smoker. I smoke where there is very little if any chance of a non-smoker coming in contact with my second-hand smoke.

[RachelS.]

Last night I was in an Instant Messanger setup chatroom with me and like 5 or 6 other guys friends of mine. One was spending the night at the other's house, and they said they'd be back later and that were gonna go have a quick smoke.

I have never seen so many rude and annoying comments toward smokers. I think one of them felt like strangling everyone making comments. Ya know when you get that feeling where you can't take it anymore and you just feel like pounding someone's face into the hard concrete and knocking them out? lol, I think that's how he felt. But I told him it was their problem to deal with and not to worry about it too much.

[daver676]

Originally posted by Ed_r
I guess that depends on how many of us non smokers can return the slapping for the in-considerate smokers,that take 15 smoke breaks a day in addition to the regular breaks they are allowed, while i sit and work, and take up their slack.

This may not apply to you. Just usually why non-smokers make such comments.

No this doesn't apply to me. I'm lucky if I get 2 smoke breaks in an 8 and a half hour work day. And there is nothing stopping you from taking a break, even if you don't smoke. Don't give me all that BS about keeping up with the slack because if you really cared to say something to your boss, the problem might be solved.

[Matt_K]

i'm a non smoker and i could care less if other people wanna smoke. There are just certain times and places i dont like to see people light up. For instance, last week i had to go Baptism, as we were entering the church there was about 7 or 8 people standing about 3 feet from the front door all smoking. So anyone who needed to enter the church had to walk right passed and in some cases between them.. To me that's just rude and inconsiderate of them, out of respect to others they could have walked the extra 10 feet to the end of the road or even to the sidewalk.. Thats my rant :/

[pandorasBox]

sure comments about smoking tobacco is one thing i cant wait to hear all the comments about smoking weed. you cant smoke a cig in a resturant but you can puff a fatty walking down a crowded street. tell me this new regulation is not going to increase the amount of tokers in this province. and as far as getting black lungs yellow teeth and so on from smoking what about just walking outside your door. you have global warming so wear your sunscreen, you have west nile so wear your mesh suit, you have terroist bombings so you better have your chemical suit in your back pocket, lets not forget the smog, oh wait there is now monkey poxs for all us exotic pet owners, and how can you forget about the constant outbreaks of sars so lets not forget to where are masks, gowns, gloves and face shields. good god i am so optimistic first thing in the morning. oh and have yourself a good day.

[marisa]

I agree with most everything everyone said.

I am a smoker. I am also a poliet smoker. I will not smoke indoors, nor near doorways. But I am also sick of non-smokers getting huffy about it to those who ARE respectful smokers. It is annoying.

I personally feel that non-smokers energies would be better spent trying to get cigarettes outlawed. If they hate smoking so much, why do they attack the people who are just using the freedom our governments give us? If you hate it so much, deal with them not with the people who are using a substance legally.

That's my view.

Marisa
P.S. Also its not a smokers fault for taking smoke breaks. If you are mad at them being allowed to do so, I feel your energies would be better spent talking to their superior who allows them extra breaks. Plently of places of employment refuse to allow extra smoke breaks. It's not a smokers fault yours does allow them.

[LISA127]

there are worse things a person could do than smoke!!!!!
everyone has a bad habit......hassle someone else for a while

[Youkai]

I could care less if someone wants to burn their lungs out with toxins. That is their choice.
It is also my choice and right to not be exposed to that crap.
I'm very allergic to the smoke from those damn things. Yes - I'm bitter. There's nothing like walking around outside, in the FRESH air, and having to walk near or by someone who's smoking. I get a horrible sore throat and sore eyes in an instant. I can get a sore throat that lasts a good portion of the day just because I decided to breathe while walking by someone who was smoking.
Right outside buildings, around the University EVERYWHERE, at the bus stops, etc etc.
I won't badger and harrass someone who tells me they're going to go have a smoke. That is their choice.
But I have every right in the world to get mad when I'm caused great discomfort because someone thinks it's their right to light up.

[scorpman]

i used to smoke and i hated everyone bitchen about the extra breaks , the second hand smoke , and everything else. i think nobody has the right to tell someone else how to or what to do with his own life or body as long as it does not hurt someone else. all you non smokers have you thought of the overall harm you are going to do to the ecomony. how many people you will effect the farmers that grow the tobaco the emplyees that make the ciceretes ,ect. and has anybody evernoticed nobody bitches about cicgars and the taxes are only on cicerets not cigars or chew? that because lawmakers only smoke cicgars and dont want to tax them ,cicgars smell worse than cicgerets .what will be next after smokes are gone beer, sex, eaten certin foods , watchen movies above a"g" rating . we live in a free world lets start taking responabilty for our own actions stop worring about what other people are doing. i am sorry if this makes anybody mad but if we all would stop bitchen and put the same energy into other things and make the world a better place to live in we all would be happier>(

[Alicewave]

I totally appreciate respectful smokers, I personally could care less what you do with your body but i don't want it around mine. I'm allergic and I really have to limit which restaurants/bars I attend because of smoking. I hate it when people smoke right next to a doorway when they could easily stand 5 feet away from it so the smoke doesn't bother people. I don't badger or harass people about it either but i really appreciate the law. Smokers that complain about it would be better off spending their energies on quitting since it's better for everyone.

I wouldn't worry about what other people were doing if it didn't affect my OWN health. i have a right to breathe fresh air.

About how it will affect the economy, economies evolve. When we stopped using coal for heat people got jobs in the oil industry. As cigarettes become less popular, other industries will come along to takes it's place. It's all part of a natural business cycle. there will always be trends, it's up to companies to stay on top of them. And to find away to do that without capitalizing on addiction, the world will be a much better place.

About the freedoms thing, nobody's banning cigarettes from sale or use. Just limiting where they can be used for the good of public health.

[Youkai]

More people smoke cigarettes than those who smoke cigars or chew.

I'm sorry scorpman, but try being in my shoes. My friends want to go out? Chances are that I cannot since there will be smoking. I would be feeling ill for days.

I personally don't care if the market suffers, or famers suffer at a smoking ban. If you want to do it or not, it is still unhealthy.
What you're seeing going in some cities now is a backlash. There are far more non-smokers than smokers. Some of us non smokers want to eat out, go out with friends, and have fun without stinking like smoke or getting sick.

Keep in mind that your smoking, especially if you smoke in public places, may be bothering other people. And THAT is why people will whine and b*tch.

You can defend your right to do what you want for as long as you want - until you are blue in the face. And you know what? Do it. But don't do it around me. Because it physically hurts me. It's my right to not have to worry about that.

[Andy_G]

I have nothing against respectful smokers, I think it's a stupid thing to waste thousands of dollars on something like cigarettes that only do harm to self and others, but it is an addiction and a hard one to overcome at that. Don't do it around me and i'm fine with it.

Some people take too many smoke breaks in a day, and that affects their performance at work/school. I don't know what it's like to be addicted to them and don't want to so I really can't judge that part of it.

[LISA127]

we wouldn't be defending ourselves around the non-smokers, if it hadn't been brought up in a reptile forum. and if we weren't being criticized all the time. there are many, many restaurants to go to for the non-smokers that don't allow smoking. all movie theaters are now non-smoking. and some bars. so why is everyone complaining?

yes, it's an addiction. why don't we try talking about someone else's addiction for a while? u can't tell me there aren't any. any alcoholics, eating disorders, drug addicts, etc.?

[The_Omen]

Some people take too many smoke breaks in a day, and that affects their performance at work/school.

Is that so?
Really?
In my job, there are two others along with me that do the same exact thing.
One does not smoke.
One does smoke, but only every few hours.
I smoke like a forest fire, usually at least once, some times twice an hour yet I do twice as much as the other two combined. AND I work in the worst place at the business.

I actually pick on my bosses about that, I tell them I will slow down to the acceptable average, but I have no idea what I would do with the extra 1/2 hour every hour.

If anyone is not getting the job done anywhere, don't blame their smoking, blame their false laziness.

False laziness you ask?

Yes, because a truly lazy person is willing to do the job and get it over with, doing said job right so that it doesn't have to be repeated.

[Ed_r]

This may not apply to you.

As i stated before if it doesn't apply to you. If it doesn't it doesn't.

And When you do bring this up to supervisors and upper management there is also a problem. First Usually the upper management are the ones doing it too. Secondly I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the US everyone is so lawsuit crazy ,if you mention anything about the smoke breaks it is considered discrimination against them because they have an addictive habbit! Lets see does that mean if I have a coke habbit I can be excused to go do lines all day?

I do NOT hate smokers if they are respectful. My mother in law is a smoker, but will not smoke in my house out of respect for me. At dinner if someone asks if I mind they smoke I let them I'm not insane about it. I really don't care if anyone smokes on thier time.

I surely don't care if anyone smokes weed. As long as they respect me for not wanting to try it and not in my house. If I am at their house and they want to light up, I don't say a word. Not my place.

I could care les if anyone smokes , it's not costing me a dime.
Your life, your choice.

Possibly being on the other side of the border changes things a lot. Here lawyers rule the world! lol

[LISA127]

anyone is entitled to breaks during a workday, not just smokers. around here, ive never heard of a company that offers more breaks to smokers, everyone gets the same amount of breaks. smokers are definetely NOT given special treatment in the states! far from it!

[BWSmith]

Hell, i rarely even smoke in my own house if there are nonsmokers visiting. I have gotten in trouble before though. I have no problem with having to go outside (except at a freakin bar ;) ) or to a smoking section. I got in trouble when i was sitting in the rear of a smoking section and some guy sits in the next booth and then rants and raves when i lit up. The guy was irate! I think the conversation ended when he ended up with a lit cig shoved into the bun of his burger. oops :)

[Ed_r]

actually pick on my bosses about that, I tell them I will slow down to the acceptable average, but I have no idea what I would do with the extra 1/2 hour every hour.

I respect that totally!!!

My example comes from an office standpoint where calls come in and get fielded by whomever is there. Obviously when someone is out on an extra smoke break, the rest are left to pick up their slack. At the same time if I were to be 5 minutes late from lunch I would get repromanded. Even when someone is not on a smoke break I cover my load and most others too.

Yes it is chosen laziness. When people choose not to deal with it , they disappear for a while, and leave the rest behind.

Extra is the key word here. If you get 15 minutes twice a day and an hour for lunch, thats what you get. Mind you this has been at a few places that I have worked at not saying its the norm, or maybe it is.

[Mike177]

hey,
i am a smoker and by the way it was me and my freind that everyone was getting pissed at. and it is not like it is a habbit for me i smoke a cig like onece a night befor i go te bed. BIG F**KING DEAL! i go through like a pack a month or so. so if you dont like me smoke then you can stick your thumb up your A** and Jeff makes a good point here you can get a corton for $15 in some brands but it is mostly 23-25 for the name brands and if u go on a army base smokes are DAMN cheap it comes out to like pennys per cig well anyway just my $00.02

[Tim and Julie B]

I have never smoked cigarettes but I will smoke a cigar occasionally about every four to six months for my own enjoyment. I don't mind if people smoke as long as it is not arround me, or at least down wind. Most people are very respectful and some aren't but that has nothing to do with smokers. Some people are like that whether they smoke or not. Nothing is worse then being stuck in a car with a smoker. Yuck! It is their vechical though but please be considerate. But the worst, absolute worst is when someone tries to light up in my car. I hit the brakes so hard he dam near swallowed it. He says," I will just blow it out the window." I said, "I said if you don't put that out your going through the window." I just had a full detail done too. That is inconsiderate. But most smokers I know are not like that so it is not the norm. It all depends on the person. I only complain when it is directly effecting me. Other then that I keep my comments to myself. When I was a manager I didn't care if people took smoke breaks as long as they got their fare share of the work done and done on time. Then it is not an issue.:D Tim.

[marisa]

"When you do bring this up to supervisors and upper management there is also a problem. First Usually the upper management are the ones doing it too. Secondly I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the US everyone is so lawsuit crazy ,if you mention anything about the smoke breaks it is considered discrimination against them because they have an addictive habbit! Lets see does that mean if I have a coke habbit I can be excused to go do lines all day? "

Nope, because cocaine is illegal. And if upper managment smokes as well, then there is nothing you can do about it. I just don't understand why people blame the smoker for using the rights they are GIVEN. You have a right to HATE smoke, smokers and smoke breaks. But if the smoker is given the right to a smoke, a smoke break and the right to smoke by the government then how is it a smokers fault?

hahaha I like the saying "hate the game not the player" and I feel it certainly applies to smokers. They are given the option to smoke break, so they do. Duh. :) As for lawsuits, and the boss taking smoke breaks...that is more a personal issue for you. You can't force managment to change something that is totally in their right to do. And while I can see why it would piss you off, there is nothing you can do about it but change jobs. Unless they make cigarettes illegal or you can somehow prove to someone higher up that they need to be fired because of low production.

My whole point is that everyone has the freedom to hate smoke, but please don't blame smokers for accepting and using the freedoms their boss and government gives them. If it was illegal then blaming those who CHOOSE to break the law would be totally acceptable, but blaming the respectful smokers out there for doing something that they are allowed to do won't really serve any purpose, and the ones to blame are the people who allow smokes to be sold legally still.

:D I get all your points though, and I understand the way you non-smokers feel. all the above is IMHO and not meant to offend anyone. :)

Marisa

[Asuncion7]

We used to smoke and quite heavily. Once I got pregant for the first time I stopped, as did my husband. I don't have a problem with smokers at all, I occasionally reminisce about it in fact, BUT I do however have a very large problem with people who don't consider the damage it could cause for children and pregant women. I can't begin to tell you how many times I am around people in enclosed areas or whatever and they light up and blow it in my direction and wave that thing around my kids, THIS ticks me off!! For those who are considerate I appreciate it beyond words!

You as a smoker have every right to smoke, but it is a proven health risk for several reasons for pregnant women and children too, they have a right to not inhale your smoke, so be considerate of that too.

[LISA127]

this whole debate is ridiculous. there are people who snatch kids from their own front yards, kill people, rape people, and abuse and kill animals (which is still a misdomeanor here, dammit!), and we are wasting our time crucifying people for smoking! even tho these smokers (most anyway) are probably law abiding, caring, and compassionate people.

[Ed_r]

Lisa your right. I just made my comments in defnse of a smokers comments about nons. I dont hate smokers. most of my friends are smokers.

But I could never date a smoker, yet alone marry one. I don't like the smell or the taste when you kiss. Icky.lol

[Tim and Julie B]

But if people did that in public around a bunch of people then we would make a big deal about it. We are not disscussing the legality of smoking but the way that smokers do or do not care about non smokers. No one is saying you all should be locked up. As clearly everyone in your example should. Killing animals is only a misdomeaner...dam that is terrible. Especally since that is how most serial killers start off. Where do you live?

[LISA127]

i live in ohio. yes, it's a misdomeanor. altho, i think they just passed a law that it is a felony after the third animal cruelty offense. big deal. is that supposed to help? it should be a felony the first time! but that's my opinion. and something I feel very, very strongly about! i volunteer at my local animal shelter, and it is heartbreaking the way people treat them. we could learn a lot from dogs. they would never treat us that way!!!!

[Lisa]

Lisa127, it was a smoker that brought it up...

I quit smoking a few years back, I'm glad I did, though i do miss the camradere(sp?) that smokers seem to have. I still get the pangs to have a smoke, specially when I want to choke the hell out of the &#$&&# at the other end of the line.

As a non smoker I don't want to have to carry the bill for illnesses caused by smoking, and it's more then a money thing. It adds strain to our hospitals tying up drs and nurses that could be doing better things then saving something brought on by self infliction.

[daver676]

ED_r,

Ok, now I understand where your coming from. My gf was a telemarketer (or something to do with calling and harassing people at dinnertime :)) for a while, so I know all about the call que. That is a crappy situation when someone leaves and your stuck with all the calls.

Dave

[stretch]

Personally I don't see how this argument went so far on a reptile forum. Its stupid and childish. Who cares who smokes where. Its a free country deal with it. All I hear is complaining about a subject that will never change. There will always be rude smokers and they will never ban cigarettes. So why all this bitc****. For all you that say smokers get extra breaks who cares, you want extra breaks start smoking. Thats life you can't do anything about it. Btw I'm a smoker of weed and cigarettes and I'll continue to do it legal or not.

[gonesnakee]

EVERY ADDICT HAS THEIR EXCUSES & THAT INCLUDES THE BUTTWOOFERS. WE ALL LIVE WITH OUR VICES, SOME PEOPLE JUST THINK THEY DESERVE EXTRA SPECIAL RIGHTS & PRIVLEDGES BECAUSE OF THEIR ADDICTIONS, WHILE NOT RESPECTING THE SAME RIGHTS/PRIVLEDGES OF OTHERS THAT STILL HAVE FREEDOM FROM THEM. I'M GLAD I SNAPPED OUT OF IT BACK IN 1986. JUST THINK OF ALL THE SNAKES YOU COULD BUY WITH MONEY THAT WENT UP IN SMOKE. ALSO HOW MANY OF YOU BUTTWOOFERS SIT & SUBJECT YOUR ANIMALS TO ALL THAT POISON YOU DECIDE TO TAKE IN. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT NEED B-SLAPS & THEY CAN COME GET AS MANY AS THEY WANT FREE OF CHARGE, LOL! JUST KIDDING... LIGHTEN UP INSTEAD OF LIGHTING UP BOTH BUTTWOOFERS & NONBUTTWOOFERS ALIKE. MARK I.

[Alicewave]

AMEN Gonesnakee! But... what's a Buttwoofer?

[LISA127]

Lisa,
I know it was a smoker that brought it up. I just think this whole debate is ridiculous. I understand that people don't like that I smoke. That's fine. No problem. I'm sorry, I have an addictive personality. Smoking wasn't my only addiction. I am a recovered anorexic. I couldn't give up everything (I need my sanity, ty). So I chose to give up the eating disorder. Trust me, it was killing me faster than the smoking was. And then I wouldn't be here for my animals or my kids! Although physically recovered, I still deal w/the anorexia in my head every day of my life. I do the best I can. And if smoking helps me deal w/it, so be it. Judge me for it if u must, but I know no one else here is perfect either. I try to be the best person I can be, and the best mother I can be. But I'm only human. And I'm proud of the recovery that I have managed.

[eyespy]

Ok, so the smoking debate has become silly. Let's debate other annoying habits like pen-clicking or public nosepicking. :D

[marisa]

Or how about people who INSIST on showing off their non-ability to talk on a cell phone and drive?

Marisa

[Mike177]

Quote:
But I could never date a smoker, yet alone marry one. I don't like the smell or the taste when you kiss. Icky.lol

you shouldnt base your life partner off what they do in there spare time but by the person they realy are to me it wouldnt matter and if it dose to you make the person choose between cigs and you.

ok never mind ill shut up now :(

[daver676]

Maybe this thread is done, but just some last words from me.

I don't feel this debate (if you could call it that) is ridiculous. I posted it in the General forum, so I followed the rules, and I bet a lot of people feel better for venting their shared frustration at people (whether smoking or non).

I know reptiles are great, but it's nice to get off topic once and a while. I have learned lots more about some people in this forum.

Thanks for your replies and opinions!

Dave

[Scales Zoo]

One good way to get rid of annoying insurance sales people is to let them know you smoke, drink, do drugs and skydive. Most of the time they will quit calling

Sheila

[gonesnakee]

Maybe those Sask ones Sheila, ones in Calgary still want to sign ya up. They just expect "skyhigh" premiums in return, LOL. BUTTWOOFERS is my favorite term for smokers, just because it sounds funny & usually gets them going. I personally don't care what people do to themselves & I just posted to "stir the pot" so to speak. Some people take things too seriously. Go hard if ya want. Judge not & ye shall not be judged, each their own. Mark I.

[Alicewave]

Thanks for the clarification! I'll have to remember that one. ;)

[ballpython5000]

smoking kills you, simply put. my mom smokes though. so if you are willingly killing yourself thats basically suicide. but wouldn't it be best to do in a less time consuming way? and then the cancer you'll get from it. thats torture man. just commit suicide the fast and easy way, i.e. a shutgun to the head, over dose, noose, and the ever famous wrist slit. If you're going to kill yourself do it in a way that isn't killing other people, second hand smoke blows @$$.

not that i'd want my mom to kill herself.....heck i'm hasling her to quit.

[Leo-Land]

Agreed