New pics of my 2 corn snakes

[drewlowe]

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1695havoc_and_sable3redo-med.jpg

This one was a total fluke shot, But it's one of my favorites
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1695havoc_yawningredo-med.jpg
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1695snake_tank4redo-med.jpg

[Mike177]

ok you might want to go back and fix those links.

[drewlowe]

ya i'm in the process of that right now

[Mike177]

ya cool corns! i have had corns in the past and i am moveing on into the quote bigger and better snakes but there will alwas be room in my collection for a good old sweet corn snake. i have been thinking of getting a blizzard corn there probly on of my favrots.

[alex_33]

Beautiful corns and sweet enclosure! thanks for sharing

[Thomas]

Wow, they look great, how big are they?

[drewlowe]

they are both a little over 3 feet. and 2 years old

[Classic]

I don't mean to burst your bubble but.... That is not a very good example of a corn enclosure. Your temp gauge is giving temp readings where your snakes will never be...13 inches from the ground. Where are your snakes hiding to feel safe. Where do your snakes hide? Do them a favor and add a shoebox with a hole in it. Another idea is to get big paper towel rolls from a hardware store and cut them down the center and you can run them the length of your viv and easily cover it up with the substrate you are using. Beside that fact that it is not a good idea to house them in the same tank because it is naturally a solitary animal, you need to rethink your housing arrangement if you really care about your animals. I'm sorry to sound so harsh but, do some reading and look at other enclosures and ask questions. Lots of us will gladly help you out.

Classic

[drewlowe]

You arn't bursting any bubbles. Go back up and take a look at those pics again would ya. Then you would notice there are 2 hides in there one cave which is clearly shown on pic. 2 where the female(snow) is at, and another one as a combo with the waterdish (at the angle of the dish you can't see the hiding place. I also do not use that themometer its just there i haven't removed it yet. It's also stuck at them temp that it states its on. I know those themometers are no good it was use a temporary cause the stores where out of digitals (which i use now). The only reason the snakes are even out that way they is because i had just setup the enclosure and put them in there. Any other time they are usually hiding or only one of them are out.

As far as housing them together i know the pros and cons i have done my research and i do care about all of my reptiles. And if i ever experince a problem they will be separated. They also don't feed in their enclosure. They have been housed like this since they were both 1 week old without any problems from each other.

My reptiles get most of my time and money so before you say that i don't care you need to either know me or don't say something like that at all. Cause that was just plain rude. Without even waiting for a response or actually looking closer at their enclosure.

[Classic]

Sorry I insulted your viv. You might have 2 hides in there.... Your viv is still inadequate. Those things are not hides. There decorations. I'm sorry but I am looking close at your enclosure and I still don't see enough space in there for one corn to hide let alone 2. Do you have a hiding spot on both sides of your setup for both snakes and do you have a temp gradient on both ends?
Do you have a UTH? Where is it located?
Your viv would be really nice for a single snake if you added a few hides. and O yeah. Please show us all a picture of one snake soaking in that cup of water. I'm just telling you what i see.

[drewlowe]

My enclosure is not inadequte. That hide is large enough to fit both of my snakes in there at the same time if not a third one at their size. I put the flowers in front to give them a little more privacy. and yes there are hides on both the warm and cool end. Like i said in my reply post the water dish also is combined with a hide you just cannont see it. The water dish is on the cool end. And i do not have a uth (it's not required to have a uth to keep them at the correct temps.)the hot end stays warm enough with the bulb i have and the cool end is fine. Most of the time my male is burrowed underground anyway, he loves it under there he's been that way since i bought him, and if he's not underground he's in his tree.

I have a digital themometer that i will stick the lead in several areas throught the day and i even stick it in the subtrate to take proper readings of the entire cage.

My snakes have never ever soaked in thier water dish, and all thier sheds have came out perfect. and that water dish is bigger than both of my hands combined.

And i'm sorry i went and looked at your gallery and i see a corn enclosure with quess what no hides sept maybe that little thing in the right corner. But your other cage i do like the one with the honduran it has what 3 hides maybe 4 if you count the plants it can hide under.

Before i finished writing this i went downstairs to measure the hides and the cave on the left is 8 1/2 inches long and 8 inches wide. the water dish only the water part not including how big the hiding spot in it is 7 1/2 by 6 3/4. The hide in the water dish adds about 3 1/2 inches and that one is only big enough to hide one snake. Thats were the female usually is. and in the next year i know they will out grow the water dish hide so i have already made plans to find them a bigger hide for the cool end.

[Classic]

Now that we have expressed our feelings. Lets drop it. We've both learned something.

Nice Viv

[Andy_G]

What phase is the orange one? Looks like an adult fluorescent but I don't know for sure and think it's very nice looking!

[drewlowe]

He is an amelinistic corn. But ya he is very bright thank you.

[tai_pan1]

Just to add my two cents, I have two male corns that have been kept together almost heir entire lives. They are almost 3 years old. They do fine together in the same tank, in fact, I have seperated them in the past and one of the two quit eating. I put them back together and he began to eat. I waited several months and tried it again. Again the one snake quit eating. Just as all humans have their own personalities and tendancies, so do snakes. There are some people in society that love to be left alone and not bothered by other people. There are also those who love to be social and must have others around. I believe the same thing may hold true with snakes. If you find that your corns do well together, go for it. If you find they don't keep them seperate. Just as with most "rules", there are exceptions and broad generalizations may not always fit your situation.

Just my opinion.

Mike

[Lizzy001]

i think his enclosure is beautiful and has plenty of hides....etc!
Love the Corns!!!

[drewlowe]

thank you tai pan and lizzy. They are around 2 1/2 now and i have had both of them since they were a week old(they are the same age but different parents) and they have been housed together since i got them. Yes my two do very well together and i keep a close eye on both of them and IF i ever experince a problem with them being housed together i will immediatly separate them. But that tank is a 40 gallon breeder and they have plenty room to move around. My boyfriend and my self were discussing about getting them an even bigger cage then what they have already but we havent made it offical yet. I think a 75 gallon for 2 corns is a bit much. If only i could build.

And tai that is very strange i didn't think you could have 2 males in the cage together. But if it works and you have no problems then great. Do you have a female you breed them with?? if not thats a good possibility why they don't fight. My opinion But then again i could be wrong.

[Blueeheeler]

I agree with Tai pan and Lizzy. More than adequate for corns. I think it is a perfect setup. You can set up my next cage for me if you would? Great looking snakes too. Good luck and I think if they are kept together from hatchlings or even juvies then there should be no problems. I wish I had done that. Then I would have more room for more snakes. Jamie/Blueeheeler

[Colonel SB]

I've breed corns in less elaborate setups and I think it's nice, corns and most north american rats can be kept in pars as long as you feed them in a seperate conatiner.

[drewlowe]

Blueeheeler i would love to setup a cage for you. Thats my favorite thing to do is to try to make the cage more appealing. It improves the enjoyment of me watching my reptiles. Plus when people come over that know nothing about reptiles and possibly don't even like them they at least admire the setups i have. (and it keeps them from running and screaming away). I have designed 4 cages Beardies, corns, rose hair tarantula, and my leos as natralistic as possible with still being appealing to others. and keeping the animal as comfortable as possible. The only thing i'm missing is more money to make them a little nicer than what they are. I would like a cage by www.jworlds.net They have some of the nicest cages i've ever seen, but they are expensive.

I belive that setup cost me around 200-250.00 including all the furnishings inside the tank. but thats not including the heat lamp and bulbs and the flouresent fixture. and it took around an hour or 2 to set that cage up. Those vines are a pain to deal with, and the background is very time consuming cause i cut the back with a razor to perfectly fix it on the back before i even start to do anything else.

Oh yeah shortly i will be going to the St. Louis Zoo and i have 2 of the curaturs #'s and i will be asking them if they will take me behind the scenes and show me a more naturalistic way to set up cages. i will be happy to pass any tips i get from them on to anyone that would like to know them.

[tai_pan1]

Drewloe,

I do have three females, but they are not breeding size yet. They all have their own enclosures. I plan to breed two of them next spring if they are big enough by the time I go to brumate them. It will be my first attempt, so I want to ensure the females are plenty big enough and have enough weight to them.

Mike

[serpenteye]

Cool pictures. I like that yawning one.

[Snake Chick]

Wow, Drewlowe, I agree your setup is beautiful and it seems more than adequate. I'm working on making mine look great as we speak. I believe that the snakes needs have to be met first and foremost and then I want things to be asthetically pleasing! One day when I have a big house...sigh...

[enso]

try www.cagesbydesign.com
have a wider selection of sizes and styles
construction is superior
but they are expensive =p

[drewlowe]

ya i've seen cages by design. I already have a few cages i want out of there. But my dream cage is over 3,000.00 from there. I also have their catalog.

[Invictus]

I have three corns all housed in the same enclosure, and they are happy, healthy snakes. The previous owner attempted to separate them, with similar results.. the female wouldn't eat, and the younger male would strike anyone who attempted to handle them. Once they were all housed back together, both problems vanished. I am building them a bigger enclosure, but I will never separate them. I may even give them a new roommate.

[Dragon_Slave]

Glasscages.com have good prices, check 'em out!