Leo genetics questions

[Alicewave]

What does it take to get a patternless-albino? I assume if you had a male and a female patty-albino, that all the babies would be patty-albino but I'm not sure if this is correct. Is it possible to get patty-albinos by crossing a patternless with albino?

As you can see, I'm quite mystified by leopard gecko genetics. I know the basics but some of the more interesting combinations confuse me. If anyone knows of a good chart on the web that says if you cross this with that you get the other, please post a link. Otherwise if there is someone out there with a real handle on it, it might be worthwhile to make a chart because I'm very confused!

Thanks!

[Tim and Julie B]

I had a conversation with Big Dan a while ago and he said the only way to get one is to breed double hets for patternless albinos together, and I believe the odds are 1 in 32 of getting one. This year I bred my patternless male to an albino female so they would be the hets that I will breed next year to the hets I am buying from Canadian Captive Bred. If you already have patternless albinos and you breed them together then you would get patternless albino babies all the time I would think.:D

[beth wallbank]

don't forget that you have to use the same albino gene, ie,. tremper, rainwater, vegas, bell.....or the genetics will not coincide.
Breeding tremper to patternless, rainwater to patternless,. etc,.. will all produce double hets, but they are only able to be bred back to their same strains.

[Alicewave]

That's what I thought. I know about breeding the same albino strain. I would just get a couple patty albinos but they are so hard to find. I don't plan on doing this for a couple years til I am more settled down and can really do it right. Was just bored at work and curious. Based on the genetics wizard you get 6.25% Patty-albino when you breed 100% double hets together. Is that 1 in 32? I'm not sure.

[Alicewave]

Another question, what would the 100% double hets look like? Normals?

[BigDan]

When breeding double hets togther you have a 1/16 chance of producing a patternless albino.

Basically the breakdown goes like this.

Out of every 16 offspring

9 would be normal colored poss. hets for albino, patternless, or both and just plain normal.

3 would be patternless 66% poss. het for albino

3 would be albino 66% poss. het for patternless

1 in 16 would be the double recessive combination of patternless and albino the patternless albino.

This 1/16 chance is with every egg produced so you have to produce a ton of eggs to get the one you want.

Here is a pic of what it can look like when you open a Double Het for Patternless Albino incubation box.

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/511/1112dh_breeding-med.jpg

These guys were hatched a few days ago and they are patternless albino, albino poss het for patternless and normal colored poss Double het.

All from one group of breeders, pretty cool.

Beth also makes a good point that you need to make sure that your double hets were produced using the same strain of albino.
The Rainwater an Tremper strain albinos are incompatable so the Double Hets produced would also be incomaptable.

I am currently working on producing the Tremper Strain Patternless albino and should have a few this year. I am eagerly awaiting my first eggs to hatch from these groups and see if 2 years of breeding has paid off.

Take care


Dan

[Alicewave]

Congrats on the patty albino! I can wait to get started on them myself. Not til next year though. So it wont be til the following year that I get any. Thanks for the info.

[Tim and Julie B]

Ah 1 in 16. I thought 1 in 32 seemed weird, thanks again Big Dan. That's quite a colorful box of leos!:D Very cute.