Hatchelling blue tree (varanus macraei) photo

[Steeve B]

This photo and animal belong to my indo friend; he hatched this baby on New Years Eve 2000, what a nice gift.
He was kind enough to share it with me, now I share it with you enjoy
Next time you see this, they will be Canadian born!
Rgds

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/502/959blue_tree-med.jpg

[Kyle Barker]

Beautifull. Definatly my fav (or second fav) monitor. Has anyone ever bred them in the states yet? just out of curiosity, how fast do they grow/ or reach sexual maturity (if its known)?
Great pic!
Kyle

[Emily-Fisher]

Absolutely magnificent!!!! Woah- I havn't seen an animal that nice in a LONG time....like, it's been a whole day! Wow...amazing!

[reptilez]

Its magnificient....I just love the bluey-green coluoration:D
-Reptilez

[nicola_boulton]

ahhh....... thats so cute!!!

[reptilez]

how big do they get when there full grown??

[The Dark Grove]

That's great! Thanks for the photo steve.


Has anybody done this in the states? I've got three eggs in an incubator but most likely are going to lose 1 due to it having fallen from where the female put it originally and then knocking it down but hey...

Steve, I know you said this person is a supplier of yours and you don't want to put me in contact with him because of that but I really need to ask a few questions of someone who has hatched these, can you help with this?

If it's D&J in indonesia then just tell me and I'll leave it alone, they are not helpful in sharing information regarding breeding anyway. They're just in it for the $$$$.


It's just my hobby and I'm looking for a few questions answered from someone who has the parents and has hatched out a few of these neat animals.

Thanks

ralph

[Steeve B]

Ralph I don’t think posting slanderous (DG) and my personal email information will get you any help.
Take a pause rethink the situation and try again!
Rgds

[boa]

wow very nice how much do they go for.

[The Dark Grove]

Hey I didn't post anything slanderous!

My experience with D&J has not been one I'd call helpful and I'm entitled to post that. I haven't said anything bad about you. I started posting in an attempt to find some information on these animals, that's what a forum is for. If your supplier is D&J just tell me, it's not a big deal if it is. If you don't want to help then fine.


Ralph

[The Dark Grove]

Also, what are you saying when you say "posting your personal E-mail information won't get me any help" ? You make that sound like i'm blackmailing you or something? I didn't post your actual E-mail, as far I'm concerned we're just having a conversation. If you feel something is "private" then either don't send it or at least mention it's just between two people.


all I'm looking for is someone who has had some success with this animal. People who have that knowledge and won't share it for monetary reasons are not helpful to the hobby or the species. I'm not out to start a fight or such but if you have knowledge, tell people you have it ,and then won't share it, what good are you contributing?

Ralph

[NewLineReptile]

nice monitor's like Boa said how much do they go for?

[Steeve B]

Kyle; I know 3 people hoe bred them and hatched babies 2 in Europe 1 in Jakarta, none that I know in USA nevertheless very possible.

Reptilez; they get about the same size as becarii and prasinus.

Vic; I don’t know how many hatched, all I know is more then 5 clutches.

Boa; expect them to be very expensive as exportation is banned, don’t have a clue what cbb will go for?


Ralph; go back to your original post, I answered all your question. Who are you?

[Linds]

Ralph,
Good luck with those eggs and your search for more info! :D

Steeve,
There was nothing slanderous or otherwise illegal in this thread, just friendly conversation, let's keep it that way ;) BTW, great pic! Was this the first time your friend hatched them?

[The Dark Grove]

Actually Steeve you didn't answer my main question, does anybody know of someone who has actually hatched these and how do I contact them. You just say you know somebody but don't help much from there.

As for who am I , I'm somebody who has these animals, maintains them quite well, has a few Eggs from them down here in California, and is tired of people not sharing information on rare species because of their pride,ego or possible future financial gains. I'm a hobbyist with over 27 yrs of exp. with Herps, worked in both the retail and wholesale herp industries for over 15 and got out because I tired of the things I saw. Now I just keep my personal collection and enjoy Herping my Blue Trees are my Favorites and I'm trying to connect with others who have them and are doing well, I also help others when asked , if I can.

Who are you?

Ralph

[Steeve B]

Aim very confused about you! Especially why peoples don’t want to help you? Mike could of hook you with Roger Meier world top prasinus breeder, but he did not why?
You have very rare monitors but obviously you don’t have varanids breeding experience? I never did business with DG and never will, but if it was me you where talking about in the same way, I who’d take offence. As for my conservation conscience, you can kill your monitors with kindness, it doesn’t concern me! Aim much more concerned about kids not feeding before they go to school, then I am of any monitor. I offered my help to you then you took offence when I refused to give you my contact,
And you posted this on forum, not respecting other peoples wish isn’t friendly. Its not easy for me to figure you out, you don’t appreciate what’s given to you, you focus on what we don’t give you, then you go on saying we do it for money. I constantly get emails from peoples asking me tons of?? About breeding, then they vanish, and I see them on other forums asking the same?? Again. As far as aim concerned I posted everything I know about monitors on the internet, some paid attention and ultimately breed there monitors, others never even noticed and are still in the blues asking the same?? I haven’t seen anyone else freely share such information, if you think aim not sharing your dead wrong. In fact you’re so wrong if I do help you, it will be on this forum for all to see and learn.
If you think this post is hard on you, good it’s intended. However it’s not indented to offend you in anyway, I treat peoples the same way they treat me.
Rgds

[V.hb]

Just too add, I wouldn't call Steeve someone in the hobby for money If anything, he is very enthusiastic about discussing varanids in general. He has been nothing but helpful with myself, and my girlfriend when we needed any questions answered, and I've never been a customer or was even aware that he sold anything. He's always been a very helpful guy, and I trust his advice 100%. I realise this is not what this thread is about, but i felt I would add it.

As far as your blue trees go, I couldn't help you, however I would incubate similar too v.beccari. unfortunatly ive never been able to work with blues :(

[The Dark Grove]

STeeve,

I never said you were in this for money. read my post because I said D&J was. I never said anything bad about you. You asked who I was and I replied in a coherent way, I can't read half of what you posted in response but obviously you are upset with me. I spoke with Mike Stephani, is that the mike you mention?

I've never heard of Roger Meier, does that mean I'm idiot? I think not. I've studied Monitors and sold hundreds over the 15 years I said was in the industry, I just never wanted any due to the fact I believe in only keeping an animal if you have the space for it. I recently bought my first house, had some room for a great idea and jumped in with one of my all time favorite monitors, tree monitors.

as for posting against others wishes? Is that what you were tying to say? Who's wishes? If you are going to blow up at me, which I don't see any other way of looking at it, then be clear with what you're saying. Please.


Now, if this is a misunderstanding on your part then I'm willing to start over. But I haven't said anything bad about you or been rude, you said you know someone who has experience and left it at that, how am I supposed to take that? You never answered my original question which you blatantly say you did and now you are "getting hard" with your replies towards me? Take a step back and read things


All I'm looking for is someone who has had some success with this species I may ask a few questions of.

I'm only asking regarding that. Why is this so hard?

Ralph

[The Dark Grove]

One last thing Steeve, you say you treat people the same way they treat you, I haven't "been hard" on you in the least. Start reading the posts and stop this, you are the one blowing this up. I answered "who am I " when you asked. I didn't see you respond when I asked the same of you.

If you can't or won't help with my simple question, one that Linds can read plain and simple then don't bother with my posts in the near future and I'll leave yours alone , simple.

Ralph

[Jeff_Favelle]

Is that monitor actually alive in that photo? Did it come out 100% healthy? It looks dead, but I hope is not.

Very cool lizards! :D

[Steeve B]

I just gave you the best possible name you can dream of, but like I said your so focused on what I don’t give you that you don’t see what I do give you, don’t thank me! Really I shod thank you! Rgds

Jeff this monitor is doing fine and part of a breeding program now!

[Jeff_Favelle]

Steve, those tree monitors look fast and agile. Ever open the cage on one and have it zoom out the door?!! That would always freak me out with beccarri or prasinus. :(

[Steeve B]

I assure you Jeff these are amongst the most endearing monitors to keep, all 3 species. To bad peoples only experience adult wild couth animals, when captive bred or obtained young, these guys are awesome, first they are display monitors always out in the open for you to enjoy, they have arboreal abilities very interesting to watch, they don’t hesitate to jump on you for food then go back to there cages when you gently stretch you arm in that direction, many opted for timors as a small arboreal monitor, but timors spend a lot of time in hiding and or not as fun to keep as these tree monitors, I guess it’s a matter of taste. Most peoples I know hoe got them fell in love. If you have the chance, take it!
Rgds

[Jeff_Favelle]

Ok, you got me hooked man! Now to find a someone who breeds them.......hmmmm........


What cage size do you recommend for a 1.2 adult trio? I was thinking 6H x 3W x 2D based on what I've read. Maybe that's too small though?

[Steeve B]

A trio is ok, but a pair is better, your cages seems ok size wise, I feel the important is to have a solid top and restrict ventilation to a minimum, to create a microclimate high in humidity, they cant resist nesting in a hollow log, give them a few and your set, no need to ad substrate they claw the inside walls to cover the eggs, very simple monitors to keep. And fun to watch.

[Jeff_Favelle]

So they don't dig elaborate burrows? Are all tree monitors like that?

[Steeve B]

yes they dig but dont usualy hide unless there enviernments makes them.

[Steeve B]

Breeding by accident, in 87 a pet shop in Montréal ask me to take charge of 6 prasinus, because they where not feeding, I already hade a large collection so I was a little cramped and needed to built new en closer for these monitors, meanwhile all I hade to give them was a 54galon aquarium, that’s exactly 36in-18in-18in very cramped to say the least, aim positive there was at least 2 males in that tank, never seen any aggression. I kept them on news paper and disturbed them every few days to clean up, this must have been stressful on them, nevertheless they started feeding on worms and crickets and pinkies, in this cramped situation the bigger male fed first followed by the bigger female then all others, all I hade to do was to provide sufficient food and all who’d feed, the screen cover of this tank belonged to a friend, who asked it back, so I kind of made on with a plexi glass, thinking it was temporary, every day I was looking at the condensation on all 4 glass barley seeing the monitors, and tot to myself this is wrong aim keeping these monitors like frogs I need to finish these cages, they started breeding the male was chasing females and mounting them repeatedly, I remember calling Robert sprackland about this, her I was a kid trying to rescue 6 prasinus in a 54gal tank and witnessing breeding every day, how serious can this be? To a guy like him! I have learned a lot from this event, and kept all my monitors in this way from then. This is the no1 mistake Varanophils make, keeping them with open cages, this lets everything go out. A month later I toke the monitors back to the pet shop saying they where feeding ok now, the guy that gave me the monitors wasn’t working there anymore and nobody had a clue about these monitors, they didn’t even know I hade them! The guy in charge said give me 200 ea and keep them, I got out the door totally depressed first I didn’t have the money to buy them and second know body knew I hade them. Some things in life just happens, for years I tot I lost the once in a lifetime chance, but now I know I gained a life long knowledge about my favourite animals. Rgds

[Jeff_Favelle]

Man, you MUST have got some good Karma after that incident!! Holy moly!

I agree about the humidity and airflow. Monitors guard their internal water with their lives, because that's what it is!! That's part of the reason why they dig. Maybe Indo species don't need to burrow because the water is plentiful.

Totally agree man.

[Steeve B]

Seeing your favourite snake I knew you’d understand these guys needs, and your write about the dry land species, if they don’t borrow they don’t live. Tropical rain forest species adjust to there needs by moving up or down a tree, when the mist is suspended in the canopy that’s where you find them, they can follow it up or down witch ever they need to preserve energy. Cheers

[Jeff_Favelle]

Yep. They live and evolve to exploit their surroundings (the environment) better than others so they survive. If that means they have to dig, then they dig. If they don't have to, then they expend energy in other areas.

Good stuff Steve! :D

[Mardy]

Steeve,Jeff great conv. I've just been "soaking it all in" and looking at my big 180gal that is vacant.HHMMM
Jeff he makes these guys real tempting does he not?
MArdy

[Jeff_Favelle]

Indeed. :D