New logo is finished!!

[sSNAKESs.com]

Many thanks to Youkai for drawing us the perfect gtp picture for our logo!! :)

[ballpython5000]

boooo, i like the other one better!

[Alicewave]

Love the drawing. Not wild about the font. I like the effects on the font but I liked the old style better.

[Jazzey]

The new logo ROCKS!!!!!!!!
:zi: :medbigsmi :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Jazzey

[JD@reptiles]

That Looks AWSOME Jeff! way to go man keep up the good work. how long did that take you to make???

Great jobe bud

Jordan

[eyespy]

Thanks for the heads-up on the new logo. I asked my ISP to clear their server cache so I could see it. I also preferred the old one but this is very cute, well-drawn and far more marketable for tshirts and stuff. Nice job, Youkai!

[Emily-Fisher]

So wicked! I love it!! Although I still would have to say that I like the old one a little tiny bit more. :(

[sSNAKESs.com]

lol well Youkai drew the amazing GTP and i just find of just through the rest together! :) I think its great, it will take some getting used to.. Realisticly it doesnt matter what i changed the logo to the old one would still seem to be better because its what we are used to! :) Thanks Youkai!! I think this will look amazing on shirts and stuff!

[nuno]

Jeff, I like it!!! Great job bro. :D

[Baby "G"]

I think the new logo looks great!...very unique and colorful..
Excellent work!!

[sSNAKESs.com]

yeah its all to do with cookies :) Refreshing the whole site a few times should do the trick, but again it also depends on your internet provider.. :) If you cant see it, delete your temp files and cookies and refresh! :)

[SnowSnake]

good job guys!! this logo is really nice!!

[Lisa]

I like the drawing, and the font. the effects are yucky, and make it hard to read the "sSnakeSs" wording. I think the idea is to make it more readable...

[sSNAKESs.com]

Yeah the lettering and color of the lettering can use some tweaking :)

[Greg West]

I too like the old logo better, but the new one is very well done. Way to go Youkai. One suggestion I would have is to make the new logo the same size as the old one. It seems a little too big.

Greg

[Trace]

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Far, far better than the old one! If you are going to tweak anything, maybe the colour of the word "ssnakess". Make it the same emerald green as the snake itself, so the word stands out a bit more.

Awesome job Youkai!

Trace

And Jeff... can you get rid of that awful Clarendon Bold font you are using for the line "home, forums, gallery etc...". Maybe a nice happy Helvetica or something?

[reptilesalonica]

Good job Youkai but i think not as good as the old logo. Agreed with Greg West for the size. It looks too large.
~Greg~

[asphyxia]

Well done..

...If I may make a suggestion...I would have the snake on the right hand side looking at the wording rather than facing off at nothing, then Condence the font a little allowing for a larger x height, and please, please, lets have referance to the fact that it is a Canadian Site.

Other than that I am not sure what the background is but is looks ok however, I would not use it on the shirts

Regards
Brian
Hawlighaph Advertising

[sSNAKESs.com]

Great ideas Brian :) Looking down at the lettering!! Loving it!!! Ill get to tweaking it up :) As for the canadian thing, the site is actually international... Although we are mostly canadian and support the canadian hobby, we have alot of international members and we welcome as many new international members as we can get aswell :)

Trace, yeah i can change our buttons :P

[asphyxia]

Jeff,
I know what you mean about the international arena, but the site was developed and founded in Canada and I am proud of that.

Hey just a little maple leaf is all ;) ;)

[unknownclown]

Id maybe try the wording in the same blue as what is on its back. And deffinately ditch the brown smudge thing in the back ground every thing else looks so clean I think it throws it off.

[BWSmith]

Don't like it.

[sSNAKESs.com]

Tweaked etc... refresh, keep the suggestions coming!!

[Alicewave]

Yup I definitely agree the lettering should be a brighter green. I've always like the caps effect of sSnakeSs, so maybe keep that going as well.

[Alicewave]

Yes I like! The only think that bothers be about the text is the brown streaky stuff. That will get really muddled looking on a Teeshirt.

[sSNAKESs.com]

Originally posted by BWSmith
Don't like it.

"Dont care" LOL no seriously, if you dont like it, elaborate on why you dont like it..

[sSNAKESs.com]

removed the brown stuff... Going to try blue for lettering.

[unknownclown]

That deffinately looks much better!

[reptilesalonica]

now it's better, at the empty space on the left you can put the Canadian flag or something else.
~Greg~

[asphyxia]

Hey Jeff,

Did you look at using a "normal font" like Helvetica Condenced Black?
for the sSNAKESs

B

[reptilesalonica]

Probably put on top left the "www.ssnakess.com" and below the flag or other text refering to the Canadian herpers hospitality to all other people worldwide.
~Greg~

[sSNAKESs.com]

done and done... Bri got that condensed text up, looks better?!?! WOW, im loving this!!! Excellant work guys! :)

[unknownclown]

Very nice looks great!

[reptilesalonica]

Keep change and change lol!...Change means evolution :)

[sSNAKESs.com]

hmm trying the red from his eye with the lettering.. anyone like it? :P

[reptilesalonica]

He looks like a sad snake...:) What can i do to make it happy? :)

[reptilesalonica]

the red is better, if you can add something like shadow or highlight the upper or lower part of the font... :S

[Lisa]

Looks great. Now about the empty spot in the top right... how about a lizard?

[sSNAKESs.com]

Excellant ideas guys!! :) Thanks for everyone who helped out here!! Its amazing what can get accomplished when we work together! ;)

[reptilesalonica]

This is our site Jeff :) daddy :P

[asphyxia]

Probably put on top left the "www.ssnakess.com" and below the flag or other text refering to the Canadian herpers hospitality to all other people worldwide.
~Greg~


Oh Canada, our home and .......

Oh well cant win them all but you see what I mean by Greg's post ..eh eh

B

[unknownclown]

I like the red better too ;)
Good job!

[sSNAKESs.com]

lol I agree a flag would look awesome aswell but i feel the community is now more of a international one and with a huge flag it gives some people the vibe that if they arent canadian they cant post here, which is the complete opposite of the truth ;)

[sSNAKESs.com]

this just being that i receive ALOT of emails asking if they are allowed to register or is it just for canadians.. I think a flag would just call for more confusion ;)

[reptilesalonica]

If that's happening then Ok. You know better. You could put smaller herps (Tarantulas, lizards, Scorpions) at the empty space on the left top to show that ssnakess is not only for snake fans.
~Greg~

[asphyxia]

ah Ha!,

I got it...just make one of the scales in the background a maple leaf

B

[unknownclown]

I think youre right Jeff as far as the site is concerned but you know if there is a demand you could always print out some shirts with the flag who knows maybe make that a canadian flag pole that the snake is hangin onto.
Personally I would buy a shirt just the way you made it with no flag at all.

[fateamber]

I like the new one but i also kinda miss the old one too, i liked the snake photos.

[damzookeeper]

wow, I missed most of the tweaking. lol. It is looking soooooooo great!! I love it!! Great work guys!! I LOVE the snake!! One suggestion though, maybe he should have his tongue flicking out like he is smelling the font. lol, I don't know why, I just love snake tongues. ;)
Also I think it would be great to have a couple more herps on it to show that ssnakess isn't just about snakes. Maybe a row from small to larger a scorpion, a gecko, a beardie, monitor, and a caimen. Or something like that. ;) But that is a lot of work!! you could also just put some font that says " insects, amphibian, lizards, and snakes all welcome here." Or something like that. And just omit that when doing the t-shirts. ;) Although I would love to have a beardie on there for when I buy my shirt. lol.

[sSNAKESs.com]

Sky Blue logo updated aswell... go to PROFILE, EDIT OPTIONS, then scroll down to STYLE SET and click on Sky Blue.

[damzookeeper]

now that's different!! holy cow, that'd take a long time to get used to. lol, nice. But I think I like the red font much better. It really stands out with the eyes of the snake!! whoever thought that one up was pretty smart. ;)

[Zoe]

I like the drawing, but I prefer the old logo and am not crazy about the size and fonts.
But I do prefer pictures, and I would like to see something other than a GTP or an Emmy.

Just me.
Zoe

[reptilesalonica]

Visiting the "Tester" style it's obvious to me that the modifications on the new logo made quite a difference. (possitive)
~Greg~

[unknownclown]

You know maybe this isnt the time or place to mention this but I love the sky blue setting only it doesnt say the time or dates things were posted :(

[damzookeeper]

wow, I just checked them all out. I definately like the changes and what is up now!! It's really coming along!! I think the red is the best color for the font!! Now if only we can get some lizards and bugs on there. lol.

[sSNAKESs.com]

lol its definatly the time!!! I am editing the styles now, so ill fix that up!! I use the sky blue to.... or greenish :)

[fateamber]

I went on the sky blue style thing and its really nice, it so, so blue!

[unknownclown]

Cool Thanks :)

[damzookeeper]

I love the sky blue too, but this logo with it. lol. I like the way it has a tint to it. Very nice!!

[sSNAKESs.com]

Photo gallery camera link AND time and date of post added to sky blue.

[Blackwidow69]

:D ;) I like it alot and as Greg said,, ( If that's happening then Ok. You know better. You could put smaller herps (Tarantulas, lizards, Scorpions) at the empty space on the left top to show that ssnakess is not only for snake fans.
~Greg~

I think this would be a great idea.... But it still looks great the way it is!!!!!!:cool: :D

[eyespy]

I like the fact that there's "empty space" in the logo. It was a very rare and happy circumstance that the old logo was full of lots of different images, font, etc. without looking crowded, busy and like a ransom note.

Now it's leaner, meaner and cleaner looking which will take me some getting used to but I enjoy it.

[SnowSnake]

Jeff, maybe Youkai could make a few little herps (tarantulas, scorpions,geckos) and you could put them on the brown branch as though they were walking to the snake.

Other than that it's #1!! Good job!

[tHeGiNo]

Wow you guys are too cricital. To be honest the last one was really crappy and unprofessional, this one looks amazing. In my opinion the only thing wrong is the ssnakess test; for something that large its too plain . The opening on the left suits the banner in my opinion. I was thinking, as far as acknoledging its canadian, tpye the following:

MAde by Canadians, made for the world...

Or something of the sort. Just an idea.

[Emily-Fisher]

I agree with Gingo. Just that the first one didn't suck. if you want, I can easily fancy the text up a bit in 5 seconds.

[damzookeeper]

I agree with eyespy about the space. I like it and think it balances out for some reason. the only thing I'm a bit critical of is that it kind of implies that the site is for only snake owners. To tell you the truth that was one reason why it took me so long to really check out the site other than the classifieds. lol.
If only there was some way to get the point accross that this isn't "just" a snake site that would be great!! But how to do it without cramming the header?
But I still like it the way it is. ;) I'd buy a t-shirt!

[katev17]

I've been staring at the little camera beside everybody's name trying to decide whether or not it was there before.. PHEW now I know I'm not crazy :) THANKS Jeff

I like the banner thing a LOT, but I think the colour on sSnakeSs is a little .. i dunno... maybe a border around the letters, like an outline... Just a suggestion :)

Kate

[Leo-Land]

great new Logo! I wish I could draw like that.

[Emily-Fisher]

Me too :P well, I know that I can, I just cant color on the computer well. :(

[unknownclown]

here you go vic ;)
http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/header2.jpg
and yeah the camera was there before

[HeatherRose]

I love it.....The only recommendation is, like Kate said, an outline around the letters of ssnakess.com...just to make it pop a little...:)

But Youkai, you are an amazing artist! It's such a great drawing, and It'll look great on a t-shirt :D

[Tim_Cranwill]

Well, there are probably too many opinions already, but here's mine :)...

- Nice job!
- Like damzookeeper said, a tongue would be great!
- I prefer the blue over the red font.
- Keep it simple and don't add a bunch of other herps.
- Possibly reword to: Your #1 Online Source For Reptile Information. (I'm not a grammar expert, I just think one is likely more correct than the other... not sure which though :))

And my final suggestion is: Go grab a beer and watch the Canucks eliminate the Blues!!!!! :D

[Youkai]

I'm glad you guys are happy with the drawing (for the most part ;) )
It'll take some getting used to I'm sure, maybe some more tweaking, but I think Jeff did a great job.

Oh...and Cranwill, I ALWAYS wanted an excuse to use this picture! :D

<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/512/133gnazi.gif">

;)

[Tim_Cranwill]

lol... :)

[Steeve B]

Jeff your new logo is perfect, I realy enjoy the lace in the corner, to bad it only shows on my screen!
aim only dreaming dont mind me!

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/512/959logo-med.jpg

[Tim and Julie B]

I love the new logo......my only tiny bit of criticism is the color of the lettering. If you want it to pop, try a rich yellow, to highlight the yellow in the snake. It's not too often that yellow is used and it really makes things stand out! You could even out-line it using that cool red in it's eyes, but a thin line.
I like the background!

[BWSmith]

I think the Python looks great! It is alittle "cartoony" but you can't really help that. Still one of the best drawn snakes on the net. But I still don't like the banner. So I will be bluntly honest for a minute and probably offend a few people:

1. It is way to tall. Cut it to 2/3 it's current height
2. Lose the cartoony stuff. Some really cool things can be done with photoshop with regular pics
3. Lose the scales background, it looks morelike mosaic glass, scales have a pattern
4. PLEASE change the font. Actually, I think "www.sSnakeSs.com" should have 3 fonts. www and com in one, the first and last "s" in another and SNAKES in another.

To me, it looks like I am entering a kid's site. If that is the intent then so be it.

Again, not trying to offend anyone who worked on it. I do alot of graphic design and I know how frustrating it is to work on a project for couple weeks just to have it sh'tcanned. But these are my honest opinions.

One more thing, can we have a nav link at the bottomt o get back to forums so you do not have to scroll all the way to the top to get back?

[BWSmith]

Yellow on a white background aint gonna work without a very dark outline.

[Tim and Julie B]

Cool red, not dark. Just my opinion. I think it would work.:D

[Youkai]

They wanted cartoony for a reason - so it would print well.
And this is just my opinion, but...
If you want Jeff to listen to your suggestions, <i>explain</i> them.
I don't mind pointers, constructive crit is great, but if someone was just harping on me without explaining anything...I'd be put off and offended myself.

And personally, I've seen tons of photoshopped stuff. Maybe it's because I'm interested in drawing, but I prefer something hand-drawn (well) over just another photoshopped image anyday. ;)

[Dom]

I thin the cartoon looks great.. very nice pic.. wery well done..

I also agree that is sounds better to say your #1 source for online reptile information ..

Baby blue is nice.. red I dislike... I also think the font is all worne..

As for the back ground .. not too fond of it but i am sure I coudl grow to liking it. I also find that top left corner too empty ... I do think there shoudl be and other animald .. not a snake though in there... to let ppl know its not just a snake website..

Just my oppinons.. its looking great though

Dom

[BWSmith]

They wanted cartoony for a reason - so it would print well.
You can still desing it very high res and drop it for the web. Why would anyone need to print the logo off the site? If someone needs it, they could email to get an original High Res.

If you want Jeff to listen to your suggestions, explain them.
Actually, It doesn't really affect me. I am offering sugesstions because I do graphic design about every day for my company. The logo is not going to deter anyone from coming, including me. But I will explain.

1. It is way to tall. Cut it to 2/3 it's current height
It looks big and clunky. A logo or header should be something people see and remember but should not be the focal point of a page.

2. Lose the cartoony stuff. Some really cool things can be done with photoshop with regular pics
Like I said, it looks too cartoony for me. It makes me think that if I click on it, I will be taken to Disney's website. Again, no offense to the designer of the python, it IS one of the most accurate depictions I have seen drawn electronically. And trust me, I know how long it takes to draw on PS from scratch.

3. Lose the scales background, it looks morelike mosaic glass, scales have a pattern
That pretty much explains it. It does not look like scales to me. It looks like a grayscale mosaic. It looks more "church" to me than "herp". A herp piece simplified and grayscaled and added to the background as a water mark woul look better to me. Or event he site name in the sam fasion.

4. PLEASE change the font. Actually, I think "www.sSnakeSs.com" should have 3 fonts. www and com in one, the first and last "s" in another and SNAKES in another.

That is pretty clear. The font looks like a memo. there are about 10,000 fonts out there. And you would be amazed how much the subtle differences can have an impact.

And personally, I've seen tons of photoshopped stuff. Maybe it's because I'm interested in drawing, but I prefer something hand-drawn (well) over just another photoshopped image anyday
That is fine. Alot of people are like that. Particularly when people critisize their work. I am the same way. But I am the opposite. I think the beauty of the true object is far better than any "interpretaion" man can make.

[Ian]

If you put the www.sSnakeSs.com above the branch that would leave a perfect spot for you names and stuff for business cards. Also I agree that it needs to be smaller.

[Youkai]

Fair enough! I didn't think your comments were wrong - I just wanted to know why. I'm not going to school to be a graphic desinger, I'm going for animation. ;)

I personally still don't think it looks too cartoony though. And not just because I drew it. If they asked for it, I could have drawn them a detailed, lifelike down the last scale drawing. But they wanted this style.
And just because it's animated doesn't mean it's for kids...but I'll spare you that rant. :D

[katev17]

Just thought I'd let you know that my dad opened IE and seeing as this site is the home page, he saw the new banner.. and he loves it... ahah just thought I'd throw in another opinion...

I'm too lazy to switch my colour settings, so is the font colour different for each setting? I don't like the idea of changing the font, I like it the way it is... 3 fonts would look weird I think, but then I again I may not know what you mean BW... I think it would be too much to have 3 different fonts

I still say great job Youkai... and BW I think they want it to be printable for t-shirts.

Kate

[reptilesalonica]

I agree with BW Smith about the nav button, i think it's very useful...as for the other things that have been said...i think no one should be offened. It is very constructive for the members of this forum to want to make the best for the forum they like. We all can say our oppinion and Jeff has the final word. I agree that Youkai made a very good job but as BW Smith said it refers probably to kids. Can't it be one for T-shirts and another for ssnakess logo? I understand for those that liked it, this is cruel to heard because they themselves want to offer the best for anyone around here...
~Greg~

[asphyxia]

- Like damzookeeper said, a tongue would be great!
You can never have to much IMO. ;) ;)

A fine job
Brian

[Alicewave]

I love it now! It looks great!!! A tongue would be really cute on the snake but other than that it rocks! Nice work for everyone who put the effort in.

[BoidKeeper]

I love it!
Cheers,
Trevor

[Nanashi04]

I like it!

[Xetox]

I like it, but I think I like the old one better!