Green Vine Snake?

[ballpython5000]

i have been looking at these snakes for a while now. they are awsome in my opinion. they are perfectly in my price range also :) well anyway i have only managed to find one article on them!!! im a person who likes to get tons of research done prior to making the commitment of getting the snake. i undertstand so far they get about 5 feet long. they are very skinny, and their diet is mainly anoles and such. thats good and all but that is almost no info!!! does anyone have a caresheet or article on any of the vine snake species? does anyone here actually own them? does any of you have pics of your snke or what you house them in? thanks everyone!

[ballpython5000]

i have also selected this snake as my new possible pet becuase it will allow me to keep many cute lil anoles and house geckos :) normally my parents would say absolutly no to me getting 5 or six geckos but when under the claim that they are feeders they could never say no. its an amazing species with many benefits for me. hehe

[J_Riley]

What's the scientific name of the species you're looking at? Ahaetulla Prasina ? Or another member of that genus?

Or is it the South American genus?

[ballpython5000]

there many, i just want one. i dont care about if it a certain genus, i cant be too picky becuase they arent very common.

[ballpython5000]

after looking into them a bit more i found this out, somehow with what i had read i was oblivious to it. they are rear fanged and venomous??? maybe i was looking at something else or maybe i was looking a wrong genus. but are they all venomous? and is it significant enough to cause me very much pain if bitten. im starting to reconsider this.......
any other small snakes that eat geckos and anoles exclusively?

[Tim and Julie B]

It is only a mild venom the only way it can harm you is if you were allergic to it. The venom is only ment to paralyze small prey but it still might not be a good selling point to your parents. My fiend has one and it will eat mice no problem. And anoles and geckos are great little lizards why use them as feeders if you don't have to. It may get quite expensive as well because it will take a lot more little lizards than mice to fill one of those snakes up! They're eating machines for such a skinny little bas*&%d!
As far as info the only thing I have is a back issue of Reptiles mag from 98. You may be able to order it from them if a issue is still kicking around if you want the issue number pm me but it's along shot hopefully someone else will have a web site link or something more current!

[ballpython5000]

they sure wont find out about the venom part!!! i was thinking maybe an asian vine snake. those appear to be the largest while also being very attractive. part of their appeal to me is the fact that they eat anoles and geckos. geckos are second to my snake hobby, what better excuse for getting more then using them as feeders. i will probably keep the geckos and feed anoles. the vine snake has many benifits to me, im glad it caught my eye. they are an interesting species and im slaving at the computer searching for caresheets and info, im positive that there are many more that the search engines arent getting.
please anyone with info, post it!!!

[J_Riley]

If it's A. Prasina you're looking for info on, you're not going to find much, I did that search a while ago and came up with pretty much nothing...

However, I have a document I can send you I got from someone else...

[ballpython5000]

thanks man, i just sent a reply.

[ThEmAdHaTtEr]

Yeah they are all vens...Rear fanged mildly neuro toxic. My fav snake! Unfortunatley, I'm not looking to keep hots so I don't have much info on them for you. www.lllreptile.com h as them for cheap. Good luck!

[ballpython5000]

after researching them i woud not consider them in the same ranking as most other hots. this species is becoming more and more interesting to me. now the trick is to get my parents approval. or not :)

[ThEmAdHaTtEr]

Heh, yeah, Vines are SO awesome. Great snakes. If I were you I would still tel them it was a hot though. If you get bit and need medical assistance, it could just cause a lot more problems. Anyway, good luck, Keep us posted on what happens!

[ballpython5000]

maybe after a few weeks i could slip into a conversation how its bite is similair to a bee sting.

[LdyDrgn]

The only problem with a. prasina is the fact that the majority are wild caught. They will be loaded with parasites and you will be lucky, VERY lucky if your first one survives any length of time. I wish you all the luck for they are on my list of Eventual Gets as well.

These I took at a friend's house when she still had them, ENJOY!
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/Beccah/Asian_Vine_Snake_good_one.sized.jpg
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/Beccah/Asian_Vine_Snake.sized.jpg

[JD@reptiles]

cool, vine snakes are my main focus of snake :) they are the cutest things. i am still trying to get more. i have one healthy ltc here and it is eating pinkies :D. bery cool snake, great pics.

Jordan

[asphyxia]

Well, I would just like to say that I am also interested in aquiring one of these beauties aswell any info on costs and husbandry?

Perhaps we can look into a group buy or somthing...

Do you have any for sale Jordan?

Regards
Brian

[J_Riley]

Since several people have expressed interest, will post a copy of a document I got about these fascinating snakes.

The General Care and Husbandry of the Asian Green Vine snake
By: Trace Hardin V.E.

Common names: Asian green vine snake, Oriental whip snake
Latin name: Ahaetulla prasina
Region: Asia, many subspecies of the Ahaetulla range from Central Asia to extreme S.E Asia.
Habitat: This species of Vine snake lives in tropical forests. A. prasina is completely arboreal, rarely venturing down from the upper foliage. In captivity they demand between 80-100% humidity just to give a small idea of the environment, these fragile rear-fanged reptiles are from.
Appearance: The Asian green vine snake is the largest of the Ahaetulla’s, this species can reach sizes up to and over Six feet. The width of these snakes is remarkably thin; some of the largest are only as big around as an adult’s index finger. They are brilliant green, which can sometimes run between hues of blue and tiny amounts of brown. Occasionally they have a pair of lateral white lines that ranges between yellowish and creamy ivory. Even the tongue is neon green. Some species, including the A. prasina have pupils that run horizontally instead of vertically, this characteristic allows binocular vision and distinguishing between prey and inanimate objects, this Genera supposedly has the best eye sight of any other snake. The most significant feature that this species possess though and what usually turns hobbyists on to them immediately is the attenuated head. The A. prasina has a head that is shaped somewhat like an elongated spade; this feature helps hold their rear-fangs. Now that all the pros have been stated, on with the con, this snake is considered venomous and shouldn’t be kept by any inexperienced keepers. The venom is very weak and at worst can cause swelling and itching at the bite area, if bitten by a person who is not allergic to the specific proteins. Unfortunately venom is venom.
Behavior: The Ahaetulla prasina is a very docile reptile and only in extreme cases do they puff up and hiss, or at worst strike. Many keepers think nothing of free handling their snake. A peculiar defense this species has is to become completely motionless and if there is a breeze they will sway to and fro. Other times when they feel threatened they will extend their tongue and keep it immobile for minutes at a time, the use for this is unknown.
Basic Husbandry: The Asian green vine snake is a relatively complicated species to keep. One of the hardest things is to keep them at a very high humidity, because they have a very hard time shedding at anything lower than 80% humidity. Also keep a supply of running water, the green vine snake can’t drink standing water, so they must retain most of their liquids through breathing the high humidity and drinking dew that stands on leaves and glass. Their enclosures’ temperature should range between 80 and 85 and basking limbs should reach temps of 95 F. Since this an arboreal species a cage taller is better than wider or longer. A perfect design would be an enclosure Six feet high by Three foot by Three foot. A shower stall would work perfectly with a plexiglass door and mesh canopy. Unfortunately, there has never been a recorded captive breeding of the Ahaetulla prasina to date, and parasites are prevalent even on captive raised specimens. Feeding of this snake can be a little tricky, they very rarely, if ever will prey on mammal prey. Their diet consists almost entirely of geckoes and Anole lizards, occasionally a small bird may be offered. Overall the Asian green vine snake could be very awarding, if the secrets of captive breeding is unlocked.

[Leo-Land]

Asian vines are awesome. I would love to keep one, only my parents hate reptiles. I am lucky that I am allowed to keep lizards. But when I move out, I would love to keep these! Do you need a hot permit to keep them?

[marylyn101]

wow they are gorgy

[Matt]

i just wanted to jump in here for a second...
i think people under-estimate rear fanged snakes.

yes, there venom is very mild and relatively harmless to people.....BUT they are venomous and there is still the chance of anaphylactic shock from a bite!

please dont get me wrong, Im not saying dont get one, Im saying be careful...alot of the time they are really high strung and nippy, and your experience shopuld play a role in the decision.

good luck with it.

[ThEmAdHaTtEr]

I have athsma, and they are neuto-toxic. Does this increase the risk of me being alergic or having bad side effects from a bite? This may be a dumb and obvious question, but I just wanna make sure I get my facts straight. Thanks! :)