View Full Version : You have got to see this
Big Mike
03-20-03, 09:47 AM
At the recent meeting of the Edmonton Reptile & Amphibian Society, Snakey Acres (Neil) had some pictures that were e-mailed to him from a friend in Calgary.
Attached are some photos of a Colombian boa shortly after swallowing a small rabbit. It appears as though some teeth on her upper jaw hooked the rabbit's feet as it was going down, resulting in the snake completely swallowing its own head! The owner of this boa called me in a panic after this happened, after he successfully pulled the boa's head back out. Luckily, he had a digital camera at his side to capture the boa feeding, so was able to snap off these pics before rescuing her. Anyone else out there ever seen this??
Big Mike
03-20-03, 09:50 AM
Other Pic
Tim_Cranwill
03-20-03, 10:00 AM
That is freaky!
Clubkidcarlos
03-20-03, 10:26 AM
that is FUNKY !-- took me a minute to think about how it could do that,..... funky no dout !
Feed'em All
03-20-03, 11:17 AM
Two words for that.....UN-BELIEVABLE!!!!!
I won't ever leave my boa alone when she is feeding, ever!
Martin.
ReptiZone
03-20-03, 11:44 AM
that was one hungry snake...LOL
OOOMMMGGG!!!
Un-freankin'-believable!!! Dang... Could you imagine coming back to your snake and seeing that???
How was the snake afterwards? Any damage from digestive juices or suffocation?
I wonder how often this would happen in the wild?
Pixie
.....thats hard to think about.!
Does not seem possible but I guess so.
That is freaky!@
rethius
03-20-03, 01:57 PM
I was going to post that too!
McCarthy Boas
03-20-03, 02:31 PM
That is very strange, I have never herd of this or seen this before.
I just had to copy and save these pictures.
Big Mike can I use these picture on my web site?
Or do you know who owns this pictures?
E-mail me and let me know.
Thanks
Tom McCarthy
www.McCarthyBoas.com
mccarthyboas@attbi.com
Herp guy
03-20-03, 02:35 PM
Ok, that is freaky. I better watch out when my snakes are feeding. Like BAZ said "holy crap"
Very strange! I'll watch out when my snakes are very hungry.
ETET
BoidKeeper
03-20-03, 04:30 PM
I'm sorry but I think that is impossible. How can a snake get its head inside its own mouse. Think about it, its head has to be in it's mouth to get down its throat. I would like to see a pic of the snake now. It looks more like a hole in the throat and the head shoved into that.
Trevor
wow that sucks never know that can happen.
If you really look at it, it dont even look real......look at the skin? Tell me if it look right?
Big Mike
03-20-03, 05:20 PM
Trevor,
Neil said that the guy who helped the snake's owner is a trustworthy source. Here is another pic...taken afterwards I assume.
rethius
03-20-03, 06:11 PM
Those pics belong to a friend of Nathan Curtis, Calgary Alberta. He would not post these if they were fake!
BoidKeeper
03-20-03, 06:31 PM
I'm just having such a hard time imagining the bones of the skull and jaw folding in amoung them selves and not breaking or the neck not snaping under the presure of folding over upon its self. Would'nt it look like a big tightly puckerd up hole were the head used to be as it would have to turn outside in? I just can't get my head around it. Maybe I should try swallowing a rabit!
Thanks for the reply Mike,
Trevor
SnowSnake
03-20-03, 07:03 PM
OMG!!
I tought the boa had put it's head between a shed and its body!
Burmies
03-20-03, 07:25 PM
That is so unreal, it is hard to believe. I guess you would have to be there to believe it.
Burmies
BoidKeeper
03-20-03, 10:20 PM
I tought the boa had put it's head between a shed and its body!
That seems more possible.
Trevor
Fimpster
03-20-03, 10:34 PM
Photoshop
McCarthy Boas
03-20-03, 11:22 PM
It maybe from Photo Shop, but it just maybe is for real.
There is a picture of a retic in the book " What's Wrong With My Snake"
that swallowed its own jaw while eating. It is on page 60 of this book.
If you do not have this book or can not get it and would like to see the picture
e-mail me and I will scan it and e-mail it back to you. mccarthyboas@attbi.com
Thanks
Tom
paolo_28
03-20-03, 11:29 PM
Damn, to bad he didn't have a videocam, he could've sent it to Real TV!
Unbelievable.
Paolo.
Mr Maggot
03-21-03, 03:57 PM
Holy f***ing christ I would freak if that happened to my Argentine! :(
BurmBaroness
03-21-03, 09:39 PM
There's a big difference in swallowing "A JAW" and their "Whole Head" . It is just not possible, and you can tell by looking at the pics that it is a fake. if it had truly swallowed it's head, which is not possible, there would be no curve of the body, there would be the outside of the body going into the center of the body, as if it were being turned inside out, only reversed. Fake, fake, fake.
The_Omen
03-21-03, 09:40 PM
Even Tom buys this????
Jeezus... photoshop rules!!!
Everyone try to do the same exact thing with a tube sock!
IMPOSSIBLE for it to swallow its' own head and be like that!
Don't believe everything you see!
Nanashi04
03-21-03, 09:48 PM
that is pretty weird - real or not. o.o;
JasonBrennan
03-22-03, 01:41 AM
I say it is a fake. Look at the pattern on the snake. It looks like two images are combined, and the pattern from the top and bottom don't even match up (at least not to me).
LdyDrgn
03-22-03, 02:06 AM
For the record... not all patterns 'match up'. We have many where the patterns aren't matching all the way down. One even has a missing saddle.
McCarthy Boas
03-22-03, 10:00 AM
Hi everyone & BurmBaroness
You are right the picture is fake. Now that I have taken the time to really think about it and look at the picture I would have to agree with BurmBaroness that there would be no curve to the body of the boa.
Boy do I look stupid for even thinking this was real at first. LOL
Whoever made this picture you got me good. LOL "Could this be Big Mike"
Some day I will get you back. LOL I just love a good joke.
Even if it is at my own expense.
Take care,
Tom
JasonBrennan
03-22-03, 09:05 PM
For the record... not all patterns 'match up'. We have many where the patterns aren't matching all the way down. One even has a missing saddle.
That is not what I meant. There is a very distinct line running down the side of that boa in the pic, and the pattern magically (sp?) shifts or changes along this line. So, the pattern does not "match up" along that line (which none of my 15 snakes have, by the way). Also, the skin suddenly stops stretching along this line, which does not look natural either. So, like I said, I say it is fake.
ballpython5000
03-22-03, 09:41 PM
thats not what it would look like had it swallowed its own head. after a few minutes of intense pondering i got a rough image of how it would look ifa snake had swallowed its won head. thats not it. that looks like a hole was slit in the skin on the snakes side, and then the head was slid into the slit. thats what it appears to be.it would become like an open tube with the head on the inside lining the top and bottom if it has swallowed its head. this is just what i have come up with. i was holding my bp and just trying to image this.....
amazing if it is true
If I could do that, I would never leave the house!
Gary D.
03-24-03, 08:33 AM
I know it seems impossible, but considdering the source, whom I too know well, I have no reason to doubt it's legitimacy.
Funny thing about snakes, they have jaws that dislocate and that changes all of the rules. Besides, he's way to busy a guy to spend that much time on photoshop. It is said that truth is often stranger than fiction.
In a world where computers make virtually anything possible, it's easy to doubt. Oddly enough so many people trust the media.
Gary D.
Mr Maggot
03-24-03, 07:52 PM
Hehe It actually doesnt take that long to do on photoshop, I could produce that with the right photos in about an hour, maybe sometime ill post the pictures that I made of my Argetnine eating a small child, even though she only 3 feet long! :)
lol
had me going too untill I looked at it for a while
Big Mike
03-25-03, 10:02 AM
I have been thinking about it...and I think that it could be real. You may think that it doesn't look right because it's not just sucking it's mouth inward like if it were a tube sock. A snakes body is like a solid cylinder of muscle inside a tube sock. So if it did start to swallow it's upper mouth the thick neck would bend like that and the bottom mouth would get sucked in and turn in on itself. The bottom would be the thin side because it's just two layers of skin and the top would be the snake's neck bending over into the mouth.
It would not be like a uniform tube with the ends simply turned into the opening and creating a hole in the centre.
JD@reptiles
03-25-03, 10:44 AM
What the hell did it do? swollow its head?
ThEmAdHaTtEr
03-25-03, 11:46 AM
After I read this i was in shock for like 10 minutes trying to think how the hell thats possible!! THATS AMAZING. I concluded that its body kinda dragged its head into itself. Get a sock out and just picture the head as part of the food item. It drags itself in itself. The head was lodged into the body. Eh thats my 14 year old theory..lol
Toirtis
03-25-03, 03:43 PM
E-mailed to me by Nathan Curtis after I forwarded this thread to him:
That looks familiar! I sent those pics to TARAS, miniretic and reticpeople yahoo groups. That boa is owned by Kelvin Rozema in Calgary. He fed his boa a small rabbit he got from me (probably the last time he ever does that LOL). He called me when this happened for advice on what to do and had actually borrowed a digital camera from work that fateful night to shoot pics of his boa feeding on rabbits. Talk about timing to capture the event!!
Attached is a pic of the boa AFTER Kelvin pulled her right-side-out. As you will see, she is fine, albeit a little "loose" in the jaw.
Kelvin asked me to share those images with as many people as I know for feedback on whether anyone else out there has seen this before. So far, no one has (even Cindy Baldogo and the fellow from Dominion Reptiles said that was a first to their knowledge). As such, if anyone wants to post that pic on a website, I would imagine it would be fine with Kelvin, as long as he is credited for the animal and pics. If someone would like to double-check with him, his e-mail addy is kelhoon@oanet.com
Nathan
BurmBaroness
03-25-03, 05:09 PM
Still say it's fake. lol
Toirtis
03-25-03, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by BurmBaroness
Still say it's fake. lol
Nathan had a response for those comments, too:
"Kelvin is truly interested in feedback on whether anyone else has seen this. And believe me, Kelvin does NOT have the technical skills to work photoshop. He's not the most pc literate person out there. Christ, I consider myself to be far more pc literate than him and I could never come close to doctoring a pic like that. Attached is one more pic that is underexposed (flash wasn't activated). I certainly can't see anyone going to the extent of doctoring several shots including those that are underexposed. Why people always feel the need to jump to the "oh it must be doctored" routine when something incredible happens is beyond me. I've heard it too many times with pics of my Burms swallowing piglets, goats, etc.
Nathan"
stormyva
03-25-03, 08:19 PM
OH NO!
It just happened to my boa.... he is sucking his head back in!!! How do I get it out, does anyone have a link to the owner of the boa in the pics?
What do I do????
The_Omen
03-25-03, 08:20 PM
lay off the crack???
I'm suspicious on that pic. Very conflicting. I wouldn't think it is possible but if it came from a reliable source that was too illiterate to doctor it up then...
The_Omen
03-25-03, 08:45 PM
that still leaves many that can and would doctor one up at his request!
Blackwidow69
03-25-03, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by stormyva
OH NO!
It just happened to my boa.... he is sucking his head back in!!! How do I get it out, does anyone have a link to the owner of the boa in the pics?
What do I do????
:D Thats to funny stormyva!!!! I dont know what to think on that one, anything is possible, but then again there is alot of fake crap going around..:rolleyes:
Gary D.
03-25-03, 11:19 PM
Well it's not my mission to convince you, so believe what you will. Really I could care less.
But what I will do is provide the pic that Tortis' post referred to which was taken w/o the flash.
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1506kelvin_spictures016-med.jpg">
Why anybody would go to the effort to doctor 3 pics from slightly different angles including an underexposed one, and EXACTLY the same to the scale to convince the lot of us of a hoax is simply ludicrous.
Cheers.
Gary D.
I agree. Because there are, what four photos? Of this snake from different angles and lighting, I think this is a real photo. Even when you enlarge them, and look, I saw no evidence of "tampering" at all. Just MHO.
That being said I can't imagine myself in that situation. I would love to hear more details, like how he got the head out, how the snake is now, etc
Marisa
ranmasatome
03-26-03, 05:47 PM
i had initially thought this was fake..and maybe this still is i don't know...but if it is true...I DON'T GET IT!! how would it swallow its head like that?? i mean where does that bend come from?? as most of us know a snakes do not "dislocate" thier jaws to feed but instead the have a stretchy ligament that joins the jaw..granted this ligament is VERY stretchy. When a snake feeds most of us are also accustomed to seeing it "walk" its head over the prey with left and right movements. of each individual side of their mouth.....this snake that swallowed its head has to either be VERY STUPID....or very hungry...i mean..if it got its top jaw stuck then one side would not move...that would mean even with this disability...the bottom jaw still continued to "walk" eventually walking over the top of its head. even if this was possible...where is the bottom jaw in the photo?? i think it would eventually have nothing left to "walk" on and just stay that way...but noooo...somehow...the bottom jaw got sucked in as well...which means now...the bottom of the bottom jaw is touching the top of the head!! that's 180 degree flip!! how can the ligaments be able to take this...and if the ligament broke...i would assume this snake would be hurt...but he seems fine. plus!! despite the breakage...it still was walking over itself!! when it was flipped 180 degrees!! blows the mind..! i dont know what to think...
The bottom jaw is visible in the photo. I was under the assumption the "flap" you see is the bottom jaw, outside the body.
ranmasatome
03-26-03, 06:00 PM
if the bottom jaw was visible then that makes it even more impossible...how far could the top jaw go b4 the ligaments broke??
I don't know. Its crazy. But I honestly don't see how he could have munipulated all the photos I have seen, including the after photo that clearly shows the stretched bottom jaw. I mean the last photo there is even in different lighting at a different angle.
I believe it is real if only for the reason that I can't personally see where these pics were munipulated.
Marisa
ranmasatome
03-26-03, 06:14 PM
WOW! you're quick Marisa..hahahah...but yeah...i know what you mean...but there rash pple and there are patient pple...i am not saying this is fake...but...just hard to believe given the circumstances and technology. almost anything is possible given a little patience.
Apparently this is from a good source as well!
If it wasn't I would suspect someone used a dead snake. But I am ruling that out for now since its from a good source accourding to the thread starter.
Marisa
The_Omen
03-26-03, 09:02 PM
Sometimes even the best sources display humor and jokes passed off like this, riding the coat tails of their reputation to carry it on as real, not always perpetuated as real by the one that plays the joke, but often perpetuated by people on the web that do fall for things such as this.
Does everyone recall the pictures of the reticulated python that had killed and eaten a human?
Those pics were passed all around, being said to be an off duty oil well worker all the way to being from the 'wrong' continent etc..
There was a whole series of pics on that subject, all the way from capture to the final shot of the snake gutted and a human body lying on the bed of a truck after being released from the snakes stomach.
Does that ring a bell with some of you?
The pics in that series were debunked and proven fakes a LONG time ago, yet they still hit sites such as this and in many emails due to people and groups finding them, believing the attached stories and forwarding them along with posting them on as many sites they are members of.
Photoshop has been around for a long time, many are good at doing as they want with it for making pics and such.
Mainly they do it out of boredom and for fun, but i bet if some one tossed out a 6 pack or a $20, that a neat series of pics like this would be done and very quickly also.
Well I would want to know why someone is claiming to be friends with this person or at least know them personally, is saying this to be true.
Its on other forums as well.
Marisa
Greg West
03-26-03, 11:26 PM
if you don't believe that it happened, why don't you e-mail the source directly and see what he has to say about it. I would not believe him to make something like that up.
Greg West
Photoshop or not... its still a crazy picture! :D
Gary D.
03-27-03, 08:40 AM
Hey I'll put up a case of beer to anyone who wants to take a kick at photoshopping 4 DIFFERENT pics in different light/exposure that hold up to scrutiny to the same extent. And bonus too is you now know what it should look like too. So you're half way there.
The pics look real .. and it could be .. although I don't beleive anything onless i see it with my own eyes..
I'll add another case of beer to your offer Gary. I haven't opened the pic in Photoshop to have a close look but I think the pics are legit. If a snake were to swallow it's own head that is exactly how I would it imagine it to look.
Ron
Well they look pretty real to me. But thats me. I wouldnt have a clue how a snake could swallow his own head. But i also never saw a million dollars and that doesnt say that that doesnt excists. So i give it benefit of the doubt.
Big Mike
03-27-03, 09:59 AM
Wow...I did not think that posting these pictures would stir up such a discussion. Like I said, someone at our ERAS meeting brought the pictures that had been e-mailed to him from a trusted friend who said that he helped the snake. I asked for the e-mail to be forwarded to me and I shared it with this forum. I did not see the snake in person so I can't vouch for the authenticity of the photos but in my opinion they look real.
Someone mentioned something about why the snake would keep swallowing once it started to swallow it's head. It's not just the mouth that does the work. Once a prey item gets into the snake's body it move quite quickly down to the stomach. That's one reason that you should not feed two snakes together. They might both get either end of the prey and one would keep swallowing the prey and the other snake...even if it killed the swallowing snake.
I guess if people don't want to believe it...that's their prerogative but I sure wouldn't want that to happen to any of my snakes. What would you do if you looked in on your snake and saw this?
Clownfishie
03-27-03, 10:27 AM
How on earth can you swallow your own head? Interesting pics though....
ranmasatome
03-27-03, 10:47 AM
Actually...the story abt. the retic killing a man?? well that was real...i don't know if we are talking abt. the same story..but it happened in malaysia while i was there. This guy got eaten by a Retic....apprently the one i know was not of the rectic swallowing the whole man but was in the process of swallowing him...only his upper torso was in the stomach and when they killed the snake and took the body out..enzymes had already started to work on the head..but not to a real bad extent...it was even in the papers all the way from malaysia to singapore.
ranmasatome
03-27-03, 10:48 AM
well at least some snakes get head eh...hahahahahahahah!!
The_Omen
03-27-03, 11:22 AM
"Is that a rabbit!!"
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image010_002.sized.jpg
"OH BOY!! It IS a rabbit!!"
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image011_003.sized.jpg
The Constriction (warning.. GRAPHIC!!!)
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image012_003.sized.jpg
"Yummy! Just like mom used to make!"
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image014_001.sized.jpg
"I think I have a SMALL problem here!"
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image015_002.sized.jpg
"CRIKEY!!!"
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image017_001.sized.jpg
"sure is dark in here....."
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image022_001.jpg
Legal Disclaimer - No socks were hurt, harmed or maimed in the production of 'Stupid Snake-Sock Theater'.
Everyone, please do not believe everything you see on the web.
Anyone can look at the pics, think for a bit and realize it is impossible to be done, not just in the manner shown, but just plain impossible.
Here's a couple of pics showing the way a tube would actually look if it swallowed its' own head.
Notice, it is inside its self.
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image019_001.jpg
And would be like this...
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image023_001.sized.jpg
Instead of this.
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image028_001.sized.jpg
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image029_001.sized.jpg
Big Mike
03-27-03, 12:22 PM
Not bad :) ...but you forgot something. Snakes are not just hollow tubes of loose skin. The internal body structure i.e.: bones, muscle, organs etc. You also seem to be assuming that the bottom jaw just follows the top jaw and turns inside out. I'm sure the ligaments holding the jaw together were hyper extended and probably even damaged beyond repair. I'm thinking that the bottom jaw finally turned in after it had been stretched to it's max and a good portion of the neck had already been sucked in.
The top jaw and body structure would not be able to fold in on itself but it looked like it was folding into the throat of the snake which is kind of below the internal body structure.
I like the sock visuals. Try is with something solid yet flexible inside on the top half of the sock. Like one of those foam "pool noodles" for example, or something like that.
Scotty Allen
03-27-03, 12:29 PM
Wow, I'm surprised that nobody else has tried doing this themselves!
I did, best part was when I barfed myself back up in the cafeteria at work. 19 people threw up and 4 fainted.
The_Omen
03-27-03, 12:30 PM
They would still be exactly like the sock, inside rather than bent to the side first.
If the lower jaw DID follow ater everything else, then why is it not shown in the pics?
What is shown is belly skin, not a jaw.
If the snake were to do the manuver depicted, then it would have to have had its skin cut open so that its head woule fit where it is shown.
If anything, the snake is not swallowing its head as the post dictates yet is going merely inside its own skin which is also incomprehensible for the species unless it or the pics have been altered.
I was waiting for someone to use a sock as a prop and make that mistake. I agree with Big Mike, try it again with something a little more representative of a snake. The pics shows the snakes head going into it underside not turning sideways as the sock portrays.
Ron
The_Omen
03-27-03, 12:42 PM
go back and read my post carefully.
along with all the captions.
the last two pics are how the boa was bent up and not how the sock shows in the first set.
Actually the boa was bent up in between the 2 sock examples. The boa is slightly on it's side therefore making it look like it is bent sideways.
Ron
The_Omen
Where on these photos can you find any evidence (using photoshop) that they were manipulated?
I have looked many times with my photoshop 7.0 and saw nothing.
Marisa
nicola_boulton
03-27-03, 02:26 PM
that is quite funny. But creul and unua
l
?????????????? what?
No offense, but I have no clue what your post said aside from the "that is quite funny"
Marisa
i think it has to be: cruel and unusual. Something like that :D
Gary D.
03-27-03, 05:49 PM
Nothing cruel, unusual yes but cruel no. Jack already said that the sock wasn't harmed.
GD
But is it really fair to make a sock go through all that camera flashing and posing?
Marisa
Gary D.
03-27-03, 06:35 PM
OK, this is stupid. LOL, But how do you resist.
This is my version of stupid sock theater, taking into account basic snake physiology with the esophagus being on the ventral side of the snake below the body structure and the sock being slightly on it's side.
The"pool noodle" theory:
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1506dsc01657-med.jpg">
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1506dsc01658-med.jpg">
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1506dsc01659-med.jpg">
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1506dsc01660-med.jpg">
No pics were altered in any way.
That worked fairly well. I can see how with this set it could (And probably is) be totally true that this in fact happened.
BTW HAHA You altered those and you know it.
Marisa
Gary D.
03-27-03, 06:51 PM
Actually I think that, ironically enough, Jack's sock snake was digitally altered. The pupils looked photo-shopped in.
However I do regret that I cannot say that my sock was unharmed :( The marker was permenant and thus the sock will never be the same again.
The_Omen
03-28-03, 12:58 AM
Where on these photos can you find any evidence (using photoshop) that they were manipulated?
Once pics have been 'flattened' in PS, it is difficult to unlayer them.
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/1506kelvin_spictures016_med.jpg
Look at the two pink arrows, they are pointing at two stripes which belong on the side of the snake, not on the bottom of the lower jaw.
And the green arrow, which shows that the lower jaw HAS been sucked down in the process as well.
The snake in question does not have side type striping on its lower jaw skin.
Since the striping suggests that what is thought to be the lower jaw is actually the side along with the scales on the edge of the 'lower jaw' that do not match the real scale pattern on the edge of a real lower jaw, yet are representitive of scales AFTER the jaws hinge, then it does show that BOTH the upper AND lower jaws have been taken in EXACTLY as I depicted in my sock puppet theater presentation.
http://photo.reptilehaven.net/albums/SupperTime!/Image035.sized.jpg
Also note, in the above pic (sock puppet) that if ONLY the upper jaw, had been swallowed, it would be in a 'straight in' position, not to the side (which is clearly the side in the original pic) with the lower jaw having been pulled to cover (also in a straight up position) the back of the head, not the side as shown in the original pic.
Another note on the original pic..
If there was in fact a rabbit or any food item being fed, the ENTIRE body at that point would have been swollen and streched due to the food being swallowed, not just ONE side.
Does anyone here have any snake, that while swallowing any food item, only stretches on ONE side instead of the entire circumfrence of the snakes body at the point of where the food is passing?
I have never seen nor heard of one that only stretches one side while eating.
Oh yeah, I don't drink, so you can keep the beer.:p
The_Omen
03-28-03, 01:02 AM
Also forgot to mention, the only way that the food could possibly get hooked in a fasion such as to make the snake swallow either jaw, is to have teeth that are all pointing frontwards instead of rearwards.
And in the event that the snake does have front pointing teeth, with as much pressure exerted in the swallowing process, the teeth would have snapped off, remaining attatched to the food item, freeing the jaws from being swallowed.
BurmBaroness
03-28-03, 08:49 AM
Amen!
Nanashi04
03-28-03, 09:17 AM
I've been following this one a bit, and I was just wondering.... is anyone else highly confused at the whole matter? I know I'm lost... o.o;; heheh!
Alicewave
03-28-03, 10:00 AM
I dunno what I think of it, no matter which sock demo is correct, I tend to think the snakes teeth would break off thereby releasing the head before it got as far as the picture shows.
The_Omen
03-28-03, 10:31 AM
Send Alicewave the beer!
Mr Maggot
03-28-03, 03:09 PM
oh my this is a really long forum, very very long. As to the stretching, my BCO mostly strechers her lower self when she is swallowing, and usually her upper portion of her body remains normal. I bielieve this is because of the spine being in the way of streching... As for that picture, it looks like the whole neck area is in there too. I am torn both ways.... :)
O.k. I like your idea but what about the fact people are free to email the source if they wish? I find that going a little far if it is just a fake. As well as the OTHER person who was there saying it was real....and the source not being a "no name" in this business also tends to make me believe its real. But hey you never know
Just MHO
Marisa
The_Omen
03-28-03, 09:03 PM
And ya don't think the source will say it's real, since the source is where the story along with the pics , came from?
If I or you or anyone else did the same thing, and then got mail asking the validity, then of course all of us including me, would reply that they are real.
DOH!
But I believe the person in this thread KNOWS this person and went to the guys house to help out. At least that is what I have read here and on the other forum it was posted.
Not in email.
Marisa
A link to the photo account with the owners name and email address, and location.
http://gallery.****************/index.pl?photo=63371&size=big
I don't see why someone would give out THAT much info about the snakes owner, his location, his FULL name, just to lie to a bunch of people and possilby hurt his business.
I see no reason the owner would do this.
Marisa
**** its pet*hobbyist.com in the middle there.
Marisa
fake.. look close... fake
Well I mean I can't say for sure either way But from all the info the OWNER of the snake is willing to give about himself, as well as his friend who is on the forums who says he went over after to help him out, as well as him openly giving out his location, email address, etc.....all that just makes it kinda hard for ME personally to believe its fake. I think anyone who is willing to give out that much info just to prove this did happen to him and has a witness seems real to me.
but then again maybe he and his friend are both lying. I am not accusing though.
Marisa
We can argue about this till dooms day, the fact remains that each of us has their own opinions on the pictures and we are entitled to it!
I for one think the pictures are real. No matter what anyone says or does photo demonstrations, that's what I believe. I can go on and on about why I think that it's real but to those who don't think it's real, it won't matter one bit.
Lets just agree that we disagree!!!
Pixie
Gary D.
03-28-03, 11:02 PM
OK, it's been an entertaining thread to say the least, and I enjoyed playing Stupid Sock theater, but I must digress. People will belive what they will, whether that be the evidence placed before them and the individuals who have stood behind it, or the close minded scepticism.
Now trying to portray a true, unique and unusual event in a digital arena where fiction and fantasy are the basis of it's existance is somewhat akin to foolishness. To those who would rather believe this to be a hoax, it is your loss. For those of us who know the people involved personally and have tried to share this with the rest of you. The individual who's animal it is, who simply wondered if anyone else had ever seen anything like it, and asked for input. And the people open and willing to accept the pictures and accounts at face value. We all walk away sharing unique experience.
In the end I really don't care what you believe, that's your choice.
Gary D.
vanderkm
03-29-03, 02:15 PM
Just a comment for those concerned that the snake's tooth would have broken off before it could have swollowed its head - I would tend to agree. Consider that it may have been that the rabbit's tooth caught on the snake's upper jaw - that could have been sufficiently strong to hook the jaw and pull it into the esophagus as a result of the swollowing reflex. When I saw the original photos, I was doubtful because of weakness in snakes teeth, but now think it is possible. Love all the work everyone put into the sock shows!
mary v.
tightsqueeze
03-30-03, 04:35 AM
i think it is real but lets all "AGREE TO DISAGREE" then we will all be much happier and alot less agrivated!
jay
tightsqueeze
03-30-03, 04:35 AM
i think it is real but lets all "AGREE TO DISAGREE" then we will all be much happier and alot less aggrivated!
jay
Mr Maggot
03-31-03, 09:52 AM
Oh my this was a long forum. Agree to disagree sounds good to me, but I cant make up my mind!
Nanashi04
03-31-03, 10:33 AM
Agree to disagree! yay! :D That's the best argument I've read yet. ;)
ThEmAdHaTtEr
04-07-03, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Gary D.
OK, it's been an entertaining thread to say the least, and I enjoyed playing Stupid Sock theater, but I must digress. People will belive what they will, whether that be the evidence placed before them and the individuals who have stood behind it, or the close minded scepticism.
Now trying to portray a true, unique and unusual event in a digital arena where fiction and fantasy are the basis of it's existance is somewhat akin to foolishness. To those who would rather believe this to be a hoax, it is your loss. For those of us who know the people involved personally and have tried to share this with the rest of you. The individual who's animal it is, who simply wondered if anyone else had ever seen anything like it, and asked for input. And the people open and willing to accept the pictures and accounts at face value. We all walk away sharing unique experience.
In the end I really don't care what you believe, that's your choice.
Gary D. AMEN!!! (Im still convinced that its real..Told you my sock model would make some believers! :))
That is either one REALLY hungry snake, or one REALLY stupid snake. Haha!
reptilesalonica
04-07-03, 06:09 PM
MY GOD!!! poore snake! I couldn't imagine in my worse nightmare that this could ever happen...i don't believe it! That's why we must not let our snakes alone, even with pre-killed food
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