Tangerine Het. Rainwater Pic

[Ryan]

This guy is going to be a daddy soon as both his hypo/tang and Rainwater Albino girlfriends have laid eggs.

[fr0glet]

Would you mind giving me the scoop on what a "rainwater" morph is?

Thanks!

[Ryan]

"Rainwater" is a strain of Albino. It is different from the Tremper line and the two can't successfully inter-breed.

Here is a pic of my Rainwater Albino female:

[fr0glet]

Why can't Rainwater and Tremper albinos breed together, some scientific imbalance of alelles or something?

Forgive me if it's a stupid question, I haven't researched much of complex genetic stuff as I'm a big advocate of "normals".

[Ryan]

Sorry but I haven't gone into the complex genetics of the two lines either. I have learned through other members and breeders about these two lines and hopefully someone else can post about the genetic difference.

[Geck-co]

I myself am by far not a genetics wizzard. Just learning about genetics now as i'm setting up a few breeding groups myself.

I belive the reason the two strains can not inter breed is due to the fact that they are both resesive traits. Both mother and farther have to carry the trait in order for it to be passed on to the babies. Since the rainwatter strain and the tremper strain are both different genetic mutations the two will not be compatible and thus the albinoism trait is not the same causing them not to jive together. Hope that helps and by all means if i'm wrong someone correct me :)

[SnowSnake]

Hey Adam,

The reason they aren't compatible isn't due to the fact that they both are recessive. Take for example blazing blizzard; a double recessive morph that is a combination of albinism and blizard.

Here is the reason why they aren't compatible:

On the chromosomes of the animal there is one locus (room for 2 genes on a chromosome) that is reserved for the albinism, for the albinism trait to be expressed there needs to be 2 genes of the trait in that locus. If there is one gene of each strain the gecko will only be het for both strains but there is no room for 2 genes of each strain. Thats why they are said to be non-compatible.

Hope that helps :D
SnowSnake

[Geck-co]

awsome thanks for clearing that up :)
:sinks back into his cave:

[fr0glet]

SnowSnake, you're awesome. I'm still wondering though... by "not compatible" in that regard do you just mean that their offspring would appear as normals but be het for tremper or het for rainwater?? So in effect the only "problem" would be their normal appearance?

Or does non-compatible mean that the males will leave the seat up and the females won't re-cap the toothpaste??

[SnowSnake]

not compatible = you will never be able to get a RainwaterTremper albino. The closest you can get to that is a double albino het (het for rainwater and het for tremper).
Doesn't matter what the female looks like the male will try to breed :D:D it's in its nature lollll.

thanks,
SnowSnake

[BigDan]

I keep and breed both strains of albino leos. The reason they are incompatiable is that albinism is caused by not just one gene but generally groups of genes.

Also there are different forms of albinism caused by diifferent types of genes or at different locations in the animals genetic code.

The genes that cause the Rainwater albino and Tremper albino mutations are probably made up of diifferent clusters of genes and at diifferent locations hence when you breed the two animals together nothing matches up in terms of the albino genes therefore you get normal colored Double Hets for each type of Albinism.

Both types of albino leos display similar morphilogical or physical appearances but the mechanism causing that appearance is totally different from one strain to the other.

This is a very simple way of looking at an explaining it.

There is also a third strain of albino leo called the Bell strain which is in turn incompatable with either of the previous strains.

You also see incompatable albinos in other reptile species as well. There are diifferent strains of albino boas the Kahl strain and the Sharp strain, there are also different albino strains of retics and we have not even touched on the difference between T - Negative or T - Positive albinos. This is a whole other story.

Albinism mutations are far more complex than what people make them out to be.

Just my 2 cents.

Dan

[SnowSnake]

And I think that is what makes them so special and why I like them so much!! How many albinos do you have??

SnowSnake

[BigDan]

Snowsnake I have around 60 adult albino breeders between the two strains and consisting of striped, jungle, patternless, hypo tangerine, orange and yellow banded albinos.

This year if all goes well I hope to produce some hypo tangerine albinos with carrot tails as well.

Dan