Species suggestion

[ChyanideAcid]

Hello everyone! I've always been a reptile lover, but I've previously only kept various species of chameleons. I was wondering what kinds of snakes would thrive in the enclosures I already have(without chameleons in them of course), one is a glass terrarium about 2x2x2, the other is a home made screen enclosure around 4 feet tall and 2x2. I'm generally seeking a beginner snake, but I kept some more exotic chameleons so I wouldn't consider myself a complete beginner. Thanks!

[ChyanideAcid]

I hope to find a fitting species that I can research and get around my birthday in May :)

[IDvsEGO]

that isnt much floor space. Maybe a sand boa?

[ChyanideAcid]

I assume then there aren't species that thrive in a more vertical environment?

[ChyanideAcid]

I'll also say, I don't need a huge snake to begin with.

[IDvsEGO]

most people still recommend some floor space for the arboreal snakes. I am not an expert though so maybe some other people will chime in.

[pet_snake_78]

What is the hottest and coldest the room you're keeping them in will get? That rule out a few species for you.

[ChyanideAcid]

My room generally stays in the mid 70s.

[ChyanideAcid]

Of course, I do still have a ton of heat lamps, uv lamps, etc and will buy whatever I need to make my baby thrive.

[craigafrechette]

Taller enclosures like that don't cater to many snakes needs, but their are some arboreal species that would do well in the 2x2x2. Green tree pythons and emerald tree boas come to mind. However, they arent typical beginner snakes. Thats not to say ot cant be done, but i would do a LOT of homework before buying either of those.

[ChyanideAcid]

Oh I always do a ton of homework on my babies. I wouldn't even buy a betta fish without research

[ChyanideAcid]

Don't both of those get to around 4-6 feet though? I can't imagine them being happy in a 2x2x2.

[pet_snake_78]

Rhino ratsnakes are pretty cool and they will climb a bit. If you get one, make sure it's eating mice on its own though and not a fresh hatchling.

[IDvsEGO]

Don't both of those get to around 4-6 feet though? I can't imagine them being happy in a 2x2x2.

Yeah, most people recommended double that for me when I was asking about them.

[craigafrechette]

Yes, females can get up to 6 feet, males stay closer to 4-5. Keep in mind, I don't own either species and have only done a small amount of research.

I did find this with a quick GTP web search:

"Juveniles can be shy, so it’s best to start them off in smaller enclosures measuring 1 foot long, 1 foot wide and 1 foot tall. Adult green tree pythons make full use of the larger sizes, such as 2-feet-long-by-2-feet-wide-by-2-feet-tall enclosures or 3-feet-long-by-2-feet-wide-by-2-feet-tall enclosures.

One of the biggest misconceptions about green tree pythons and arboreal snakes is that their enclosures should be very tall. With tall cages these snakes typically select the highest perch and their water bowls are usually located on the cage floor. Sometimes, the python never comes down to drink and eventually suffers from dehydration. When green tree pythons become active, they crawl horizontally through the trees -- not up and down the trunks of trees. Horizontal space is far more valuable than vertical space. A good general rule is that the snake should be able to comfortably reach the bottom of the enclosure from the highest perch. Even though these animals spend most of their lives in trees, they make good use of horizontal space. When active, they spend their time crawling through tree branches and occasionally move from one level to another."

Anyway, you seem like you're prepared to do some research, and I'm no expert. Those species can to mind when I read the thread so I figured I would throw them out there.

Good luck, I'll be looking forward to what you choose.

[Bandit]

What are you looking for in a snake? Something you can handle frequently? Would you mind if it took some time to calm down or would you prefer it to be tolerant of handling right from the start? Or are you looking for more of something for display only?

2x2x2 isn't huge, but it isn't tiny. Several species come to mind, but I'll hold off until I can narrow it down some.

[ChyanideAcid]

What are you looking for in a snake? Something you can handle frequently? Would you mind if it took some time to calm down or would you prefer it to be tolerant of handling right from the start? Or are you looking for more of something for display only?

2x2x2 isn't huge, but it isn't tiny. Several species come to mind, but I'll hold off until I can narrow it down some.


While I'd prefer one docile enough to handle, I'm accepting of not getting to handle them much as I owned chameleons, and my biggest guy Bobo had quite the temper when I adopted him as well as being able to probably bite my pinky off if he wanted. He was a beautiful Ambanja Panther.

[ChyanideAcid]

Yes, females can get up to 6 feet, males stay closer to 4-5. Keep in mind, I don't own either species and have only done a small amount of research.

I did find this with a quick GTP web search:

"Juveniles can be shy, so it’s best to start them off in smaller enclosures measuring 1 foot long, 1 foot wide and 1 foot tall. Adult green tree pythons make full use of the larger sizes, such as 2-feet-long-by-2-feet-wide-by-2-feet-tall enclosures or 3-feet-long-by-2-feet-wide-by-2-feet-tall enclosures.

One of the biggest misconceptions about green tree pythons and arboreal snakes is that their enclosures should be very tall. With tall cages these snakes typically select the highest perch and their water bowls are usually located on the cage floor. Sometimes, the python never comes down to drink and eventually suffers from dehydration. When green tree pythons become active, they crawl horizontally through the trees -- not up and down the trunks of trees. Horizontal space is far more valuable than vertical space. A good general rule is that the snake should be able to comfortably reach the bottom of the enclosure from the highest perch. Even though these animals spend most of their lives in trees, they make good use of horizontal space. When active, they spend their time crawling through tree branches and occasionally move from one level to another."

Anyway, you seem like you're prepared to do some research, and I'm no expert. Those species can to mind when I read the thread so I figured I would throw them out there.

Good luck, I'll be looking forward to what you choose.

Appreciate it! They're definitely beauties!

[Magdalen]

I own two small snakes that would fit in that 2x2. The Kenyan sand boa (that someone already mentioned) and a male Cape House Snake. Great little snake btw.

[ChyanideAcid]

I own two small snakes that would fit in that 2x2. The Kenyan sand boa (that someone already mentioned) and a male Cape House Snake. Great little snake btw.

Kenyan sand boas are adorable!

[Bandit]

As were mentioned, Kenyan Sand Boas would do well in there. Male Hognoses should be fine with that floor space as well. You can look into some of the smaller king and milk snake species as well.

[ChyanideAcid]

As were mentioned, Kenyan Sand Boas would do well in there. Male Hognoses should be fine with that floor space as well. You can look into some of the smaller king and milk snake species as well.

Well, a quick google image search and I am in love with the hognose's face.

[Bandit]

They're very cool snakes!

[ChyanideAcid]

They're very cool snakes!

Yup. I'm obsessed. Thanks a lot lol!

[craigafrechette]

A male hognose would do well with that floor space, but it would be a lot of wasted height. I am coming up on a year since adopting my hognose boy, Cosmo. He has been an awesome little addition to the family.

I wouldn't plan on keeping a King or milk in there for longer than a few years though, probably 2. I've kept Kings for years and would never offer less than a 40 gallon breeder for adults. My adult Cal King, Django, was in a 40 breeder before I switched him to a custom 4×2×2 and he still uses EVERY inch. That 2x2 floor space would be too small for an adult.

[Bandit]

A male hognose would do well with that floor space, but it would be a lot of wasted height. I am coming up on a year since adopting my hognose boy, Cosmo. He has been an awesome little addition to the family.

I wouldn't plan on keeping a King or milk in there for longer than a few years though, probably 2. I've kept Kings for years and would never offer less than a 40 gallon breeder for adults. My adult Cal King, Django, was in a 40 breeder before I switched him to a custom 4×2×2 and he still uses EVERY inch. That 2x2 floor space would be too small for an adult.Agreed, that's why I said one of the smaller species. Some of the typical kings (cali, florida, eastern, etc.) and milks (Honduran & sinaloan) would get too large. But some species such as gray-banded kings, scarlet kings (if you're up for that challenge), Mexican milks, Louisiana milks, and Cali mountain kings stay small enough to remain in an enclosure that size.

[ChyanideAcid]

I think I've settled on a male hognose, I can't get over their face and personality.

[Bandit]

Good luck! Post pics when you get it!

[ChyanideAcid]

Good luck! Post pics when you get it!

I'll be sure to send you the bill for this upcoming hognose obsession as well!

[Bandit]

Hey now I got my own snake bills to pay!

[TRD]

with that floor space you should be thinking about the smaller arboreal snakes... not pythons and whatnot already mentioned. Too small for them to be happy.

Rough green snake (insectivore species) for example. You can keep them in groups, are highly entertaining, but not a snake you can hold.. requires a bit of specialist care as they are insectivores, do need UVb because of that too. But fun diurnal snake to have.