slippery water

[kazz]

Hi.
I take a plate and put there boiling water. After water is cold I put a plate to an enclosure.
After one week if I touch a plate's underwater part I can feel slippery square.
Can I just add water to plate or I should wash the plate out and change all the water ?:wacky:
Thanks in advance:freakedout:

[EL Ziggy]

If you're using it as a water dish you should wash it whenever you change the water.

[kazz]

EL Ziggy
on Youtube there is a ViperKeeper (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUtdmXEDHdSHPZP37n_Bymw). I think he has about 100 venomous snakes. And looks like he always add water only without any washing a dish.

[Scubadiver59]

Kazz, he washes his water bowls...just not all the time since it's a bit dangerous to be reaching in and out of the "hot" snake cages!

And Al (Viperkeeper) has close to 250 snakes, not must 100.

EL Ziggy
on Youtube there is a ViperKeeper (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUtdmXEDHdSHPZP37n_Bymw). I think he has about 100 venomous snakes. And looks like he always add water only without any washing a dish.

[CameraSkunk]

In many of ViperKeeper's videos he uses a 10% bleach solution for washing dishes. Though I think recently he mentioned he was switching to that Veterinary disinfectant for somethings. F10 i think is what it was called. It's available on amazon if you have access to it.

One thing to also remember is that there are many bacteria that are present at all times that naturally occur and not all are going to be harmful. This is why you can start up a fish tank without the need to seed the bacteria in the system. It will just naturally occur. That being said you don't want to start a petri dish of fun either.

[Scubadiver59]

Al's been using Hexachlorophene for some time now. He states that even a 3% solution is non-toxic to snakes. He dips his hooks between uses to cut any cross contamination down between snakes.

I'm sure that he still uses Clorox for some things, but you're right, I keep hearing him mention the F10 Veterinary Disinfectant from time to time.

In many of ViperKeeper's videos he uses a 10% bleach solution for washing dishes. Though I think recently he mentioned he was switching to that Veterinary disinfectant for somethings. F10 i think is what it was called. It's available on amazon if you have access to it.

One thing to also remember is that there are many bacteria that are present at all times that naturally occur and not all are going to be harmful. This is why you can start up a fish tank without the need to seed the bacteria in the system. It will just naturally occur. That being said you don't want to start a petri dish of fun either.

[kazz]

In many of ViperKeeper's videos he uses a 10% bleach solution for washing dishes.
I'm sure that he still uses Clorox for some things, but you're right, I keep hearing him mention the F10 Veterinary Disinfectant from time to time.
but boiling water do the same job.

[CameraSkunk]

Boiling water doesn't always kill everything, especially if your not sustaining a rolling boil for a bit of time. Bleach and disinfectants break down the cell membranes of the bacteria which is what makes the quick contact dips effective.

[DJC Reptiles]

I have F10, it's completely non toxic. I don't really use it often though, it's to expensive for me to use it for cleaning. I have it as a back up in case one of my snakes develops a respiratory infection (if anyone wants to know just ask). I use just a 10% bleach solution to clean. Viperkeeper is awesome by the way, great reptile keeper. By the way the bottle on amazon is tiny, I will send a picture if anyone likes. You can dilute it, but it's still not worth $20 to me.

[kazz]

as a back up in case one of my snakes develops a respiratory infection (
it's some type of medicine ?

[CameraSkunk]

Kazz I've heard of some people using F10 in a fogger as a nebulizer treatment for RI issues when other less evasive approaches don't work. Not sure how recommended it is but its just something I've heard on the grape vine.

[TRD]

The slippery bottom in a water bowl is due to build up of algae... Simply wash it with warm water and a brush until clean.

Disinfect the bowl every once in a while, or after it has been defecated in by the snake. I use a bleach solution for that followed by very thorough rinsing with water.

[DJC Reptiles]

it's some type of medicine ?

As CameraSkunk said, Its useful as a fogger. It works becuase its non toxic, diluted in water, and kills bacteria. The idea is if a snake breathes it in while it's in the water vapor, it will kill any bacteria that is in the snakes lungs, effectively curing it over time. It's also completely non invasive to the snake, in terms of all they are doing is breathing. So instead of poking a snake with needles you could just have them breathe. That's the only reason I have it, it would be to expensive to use it as a cleaner. Keep in mind that most respiratory infections if caught early enough could be solved with simple fixes to maintenance. It's just a last resource for me.

[Scubadiver59]

Expensive? I didn't look at the prices, but Al's got something like a gallon jug I keep seeing. Gotta wonder now how much that cost him??? :eek:

Update: 92.10 for 1L ... ouch!!

I have F10, it's completely non toxic. I don't really use it often though, it's to expensive for me to use it for cleaning. I have it as a back up in case one of my snakes develops a respiratory infection (if anyone wants to know just ask). I use just a 10% bleach solution to clean. Viperkeeper is awesome by the way, great reptile keeper. By the way the bottle on amazon is tiny, I will send a picture if anyone likes. You can dilute it, but it's still not worth $20 to me.

[MDT]

As CameraSkunk said, Its useful as a fogger. It works becuase its non toxic, diluted in water, and kills bacteria. The idea is if a snake breathes it in while it's in the water vapor, it will kill any bacteria that is in the snakes lungs, effectively curing it over time. It's also completely non invasive to the snake, in terms of all they are doing is breathing. So instead of poking a snake with needles you could just have them breathe. That's the only reason I have it, it would be to expensive to use it as a cleaner. Keep in mind that most respiratory infections if caught early enough could be solved with simple fixes to maintenance. It's just a last resource for me.


This is a frequently debated "off label" use.. I wasn't able to find this indication on the company product website. It is intended for hard surface disinfection. I have searched PubMed for any literature advocating for nebulized F10 therapy for bacterial/viral/fungal respiratory infections- I can't find any source. If you have sources on this, I'd love to see them. Not saying these data doesn't exist, but I think the F10 through a nebulizer as a "treatment" is more anecdotal. Please link any info, I'd be interested to read it.

[REM955]

This is a frequently debated "off label" use.. I wasn't able to find this indication on the company product website. It is intended for hard surface disinfection. I have searched PubMed for any literature advocating for nebulized F10 therapy for bacterial/viral/fungal respiratory infections- I can't find any source. If you have sources on this, I'd love to see them. Not saying these data doesn't exist, but I think the F10 through a nebulizer as a "treatment" is more anecdotal. Please link any info, I'd be interested to read it.

Hard to trust a vet you don't know, but my vet likened it to using an inhaler with bleach. So, get your snake healthy the right way.
Pretty sure we had this conversation maybe half a year ago...

[DJC Reptiles]

This is a frequently debated "off label" use.. I wasn't able to find this indication on the company product website. It is intended for hard surface disinfection. I have searched PubMed for any literature advocating for nebulized F10 therapy for bacterial/viral/fungal respiratory infections- I can't find any source. If you have sources on this, I'd love to see them. Not saying these data doesn't exist, but I think the F10 through a nebulizer as a "treatment" is more anecdotal. Please link any info, I'd be interested to read it.

Sure, and your right it's definitely more of a nebulizer, but in combination with fixing caging problems, it works really well for RI problems. It's not something I would recommend for severe respiratory infection, but it works well in minor cases. I actually learned it from an old SnakeBytesTV video, from when I use to watch Brian Barczyk. I'll link the video,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCnPfuqaBM

I have had the F10 for almost a year now, bought it awhile after I watched the video. Figured it would be good to have, should anything happen.

[MDT]

Sure, and your right it's definitely more of a nebulizer, but in combination with fixing caging problems, it works really well for RI problems. It's not something I would recommend for severe respiratory infection, but it works well in minor cases. I actually learned it from an old SnakeBytesTV video, from when I use to watch Brian Barczyk. I'll link the video,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCnPfuqaBM

I have had the F10 for almost a year now, bought it awhile after I watched the video. Figured it would be good to have, should anything happen.

DJC, no offense man, but that is anecdotal evidence. Unless there are peer reviewed studies, I would not use a cleaning solution for inhalational treatment for anything. I am willing to change my views if there is credible data to support F10 as a "treatment".

Cultures of respiratory secretions are necessary to ensure proper treatment.

[DJC Reptiles]

No, I agree, no offense taken. It won't harm the snake and if necessary, I will take the sick snake to a vet.

[TRD]

I have F10, it's completely non toxic. I don't really use it often though, it's to expensive for me to use it for cleaning. I have it as a back up in case one of my snakes develops a respiratory infection (if anyone wants to know just ask). I use just a 10% bleach solution to clean. Viperkeeper is awesome by the way, great reptile keeper. By the way the bottle on amazon is tiny, I will send a picture if anyone likes. You can dilute it, but it's still not worth $20 to me.

A liter of F10 costs 14.99, if you want a liter in a spray bottle then it's 17.99

It's not that expensive..

But I'm sure you bought F10SC, which is not the same thing. SC you have to dilute in water... and a 200ml flask is good for making 100 liters of disinfectant and costs only 24.99 ($0.25/liter!)

Not really expensive I would say.

[DJC Reptiles]

A liter of F10 costs 14.99, if you want a liter in a spray bottle then it's 17.99

It's not that expensive..

But I'm sure you bought F10SC, which is not the same thing. SC you have to dilute in water... and a 200ml flask is good for making 100 liters of disinfectant and costs only 24.99 ($0.25/liter!)

Not really expensive I would say.

Really? I knew I had to dilute the F10SC but I didn't realize how many different types there are.

[CameraSkunk]

I did some research into the F10 product line. They actually have a lot. Ranging from high concentrated to sprays all the way into salves and would debridement.