2017 California Red sideds...

[Albert Clark]

Came home today to a tub full of baby garters. Really didn't expect these guys until June, but......i'll take it. There are 16 live scrubs and 6 stillborn. The Mom is still laying so I will post pics tomorrow. She is a 2 year old and this is her first litter.

[dave himself]

Can't wait to see the pics mate ;)

[toddnbecka]

Put me down for one when they're established and ready to move along.

[Minkness]

If these are the neon blues put me down for a pair!

[Albert Clark]

Can't wait to see the pics mate ;). Thanks Dave. Working on it today. Lol.

Put me down for one when they're established and ready to move along.. Thanks tnb. Gotcha. These guys are from unrelated parentage and are looking pretty good.

[QUOTE=Minkness;1024563]If these are the neon blues put me down for a pair![/QUOTE. Yep! They are neon blues Mink. The male is a exceptional one from Scott Felzer's "pianchi" line. The other gravid female is a awesome example of the subspecies. Waiting for her to drop any day now. Thanks.

[Albert Clark]

If these are the neon blues put me down for a pair!. Same response as previously stated.

[Albert Clark]

Here is the story guys. Female t.s.infernalis delivered 13 live scrubs (babies) and 7 stillborns. Her first litter from a extremely healthy female and male. Both are neon blue California red sideds with the male being a exceptional "pianchi" line from Scott Felzers stock.

[Albert Clark]

Female infernalis

[EL Ziggy]

You've got some real beauties in that bunch AL! Great job sir!

[Albert Clark]

More live babies from the other side of the tub....Amazing how reptile reproduction never gets old!!!!!!

[Albert Clark]

You've got some real beauties in that bunch AL! Great job sir! Thanks EL! I appreciate that. It's been a long time coming for this production. I love these little guys. Haha. :)

[Albert Clark]

Dad. A real life "pianchi " line t.s. infernalis...

[Scubadiver59]

Purty...real purty! Almost makes me want one...almost!

[Minkness]

Albert, PM a price for a 1.1 pair with shipping included please.

[ThirteenRavens]

If I was going to have a garter, this would be it!!! Gorgeous babies!

[dannybgoode]

Very very pretty. Congratulations. Must be said I'm getting a bit of a yearning for some garters and I have the perfect spare enclosure.

As for the reproductive side of the hobby I can't wait to get started as I can imagine the challenge and reward is a real buzz.

[Albert Clark]

Purty...real purty! Almost makes me want one...almost! Thanks Scuba! Garters are a very cool species to interact with. The multitude of morphs is exploding. Pioneer Jeff Benfer aka the garter snake morph recently produced a worlds first erythrystic albino golden eastern garter snake.

Albert, PM a price for a 1.1 pair with shipping included please.. PM sent. Thanks Mink.

If I was going to have a garter, this would be it!!! Gorgeous babies!. Thanks TR. These guys (Infernalis) are a very sought after subspecies. Almost a must have. Lol.

Very very pretty. Congratulations. Must be said I'm getting a bit of a yearning for some garters and I have the perfect spare enclosure.

As for the reproductive side of the hobby I can't wait to get started as I can imagine the challenge and reward is a real buzz.. Thanks db. I saw where you previously expressed a desire for garters. Yeah, follow that yearning. Can't wait to see you get started with them.

[Albert Clark]

The babies of this subspecies color up with their red as they shed out. You can see a couple of them are already more colorful than their siblings. Parents are unrelated and both first timers in breeding and producing.

[SerpentineDream]

Oh, those are some cute little worms. Mom and Dad are knockouts!

[Albert Clark]

Oh, those are some cute little worms. Mom and Dad are knockouts!. Thank you SD. Yep the parents are a superior mix no doubt. The male came from a breeder in South Carolina, the female from a breeder in Iowa..

[ThirteenRavens]

These guys (Infernalis) are a very sought after subspecies. Almost a must have. Lol.

Agreed!! I am seriously tempted lol...I may be moving here in the next month or so and wouldn't want to pick up anything new until I get that obstacle cleared :sorry:

[dave himself]

Beautiful snakes Albert, thanks for posting the pics mate ;)

[Albert Clark]

Agreed!! I am seriously tempted lol...I may be moving here in the next month or so and wouldn't want to pick up anything new until I get that obstacle cleared :sorry: Well, when you are stabilized and ready to go garter I will be glad to assist you. Thanks.

Beautiful snakes Albert, thanks for posting the pics mate ;) Thanks dave. Glad you enjoyed the pics.

[Magdalen]

Wooooooow. Are these San Francisco ones? They look like them, but I could be wrong. Cause I thought the San Fran ones were illegal to have since they have such a small habitat. Asking cause I love the looks of these. OOOok I answered my own question: They are not! haha. So pretty. Is there regulations about selling to someone in California if you know?

I actually went to a lecture about the Giant Garter snakes we get around my area... to go a little off the topic.

[Albert Clark]

Wooooooow. Are these San Francisco ones? They look like them, but I could be wrong. Cause I thought the San Fran ones were illegal to have since they have such a small habitat. Asking cause I love the looks of these. OOOok I answered my own question: They are not! haha. So pretty. Is there regulations about selling to someone in California if you know?

I actually went to a lecture about the Giant Garter snakes we get around my area... to go a little off the topic.. Thanks. No. These are not T.S. Tetratenia (San Francico garter snake), who are federally protected. These are T.S. Infernalis (California red sided) whose conservation status is now threatened in the wild. I would think that selling them to someone in California could be illegal as they are a native species to the state.
T. Gigas ( Giant garter snake) also has a conservation status of "threatened". Native to California. Neither Infernalis nor Gigas are federally protected but are on the state level as native species that are threatened.

[akane]

I've been wanting a group of garters with blue! Price? (or pm me) if you are shipping them? How early can you tell gender on the species?

[Andy_G]

Congratulations, Albert. A very nice garter sp. to look at for sure.

[Magdalen]

. Thanks. No. These are not T.S. Tetratenia (San Francico garter snake), who are federally protected. These are T.S. Infernalis (California red sided) whose conservation status is now threatened in the wild. I would think that selling them to someone in California could be illegal as they are a native species to the state.
T. Gigas ( Giant garter snake) also has a conservation status of "threatened". Native to California. Neither Infernalis nor Gigas are federally protected but are on the state level as native species that are threatened.

Yeah you're probably right. But man oh man these are lovely. I want one haha.

[Albert Clark]

I've been wanting a group of garters with blue! Price? (or pm me) if you are shipping them? How early can you tell gender on the species?. Sure! Will do the pm on the details. Once they start putting on size you can tell. Usually by popping them when they are this small. They have been a bit challenging to get started feeding. A couple are better feeders than others.

Congratulations, Albert. A very nice garter sp. to look at for sure.. Thanks Andy. They are nice to look at.

Yeah you're probably right. But man oh man these are lovely. I want one haha. Thank you. They are very colorful and can sometimes have a little attitude as youngsters as they put on a little size.

[Albert Clark]

These guys have been very challenging to get started on food. All of them have eaten several meals but have a ways to go before they are ready for new homes. Still waiting for my other female Cali to drop her litter. Stay tuned.

[SerpentineDream]

How do you convince the little ones that they want to eat?

[Albert Clark]

How do you convince the little ones that they want to eat? Well, I have been offering different things to elicit a feeding response. I started with nightcrawlers diced up with Reptivite multivitamin powder dusted over them on a little inverted 32oz. Juice jar cap. Some of them enjoyed that right away but others just hid or didn't investigate the food offered. Before that, I did separate them into smaller groups of 4 as it's easier to see who is feeding best and who are the slower ones. The picky ones I offered live guppies. I had some Sally's f/ t silversides diced up mixed with cut up nightcrawler and also dusted with Reptivite. So, a little variety seems to have gone a long way with these guys bc now I am seeing a little growth. I tried cut up pinky mice parts earlier on but none of them went for that. Probably will be different soon.

[Albert Clark]

All of the babies are doing well and love musking their handlers. They havent been bitey at all but now as they get more size it will help to handle them every other day. Exceptions being day before and after feedings. The second adult female isn't going to produce this time. I am trying to put a different male to her later this year.

[Albert Clark]

They are really looking amazing lately. Another 2 to 3 weeks they will be ready for new homes.

[dannybgoode]

They're pretty spectacular! You should be proud of them - a great clutch.

[dave himself]

Beautiful little ones Albert and thanks for the update

[Albert Clark]

They're pretty spectacular! You should be proud of them - a great clutch. Thanks db. I am very proud of them but they were challenging to get started feeding. Unlike the checkered species, these guys (reds) just have different behaviors.

Beautiful little ones Albert and thanks for the update Thanks dave. Sure. Can't wait until they put on more size.

[SerpentineDream]

What a little beauty.

More pics! More pics! :D

[Albert Clark]

What a little beauty.

More pics! More pics! :D Haha! Ok. I have a few to post for you.

[Albert Clark]

A couple more... They are really pounding the meals and growing now.

[Albert Clark]

These guys and gals are going to be crazy good looking as adults. This little gal is in shed now and she is going to be one of the power eaters. Like her mom!

[EL Ziggy]

They're looking great AL! Congrats on another stellar clutch.

[SerpentineDream]

Ah, be still my heart.... :)

[Minkness]

Gah! So pretty! So can't wait to get nine! But I must...-pouts-

[Albert Clark]

They're looking great AL! Congrats on another stellar clutch.. Thanks EL. It's really the passion that keeps me producing. It does help to have some top line animals to pair together. Reptile reproduction just never gets old!

Ah, be still my heart.... :) l will try and do a group/ family pic soon. Haha, that will be interesting.

Gah! So pretty! So can't wait to get nine! But I must...-pouts- Thanks Mink! The diversity in the litter is amazing. I am so happy to have been successful with these guys though.

[Albert Clark]

These guys and gals will be coming available by the 25th of July. Still squirmy and tail whipping with the musking but no biters. I am consistently trying to gain their confidence. Lol.

[eminart]

I just came across your ad on one of the classifieds sites, Albert. Just wanted to tell you how nice your cali reds are. Gorgeous snakes. I have other plans right now, but in the future, I could see a nice bio habitat with one of these in it as a display in my reptile room.

[Albert Clark]

I just came across your ad on one of the classifieds sites, Albert. Just wanted to tell you how nice your cali reds are. Gorgeous snakes. I have other plans right now, but in the future, I could see a nice bio habitat with one of these in it as a display in my reptile room.

Thank you em! I appreciate that. Sure, when you are ready for them I'll have some.