Questions about hybrids

[Enigma]

I know that breeders prefer pure kinds of snakes and other animals. But sometimes you can get very interesting hybrids, if you cross different subspecies of one species or even cross different species.
But I read that snakes can keep sperm in themselves for several years.
My questions are:

1) If I breed a female with a male of differents species, I will get hybrids. But next time, I'll want to breed this female with the same species male as she is. What is the probability that I will receive a clean line from this pairing? Or is there a risk that the female can again give hybrids from the first sperm?

2) And the question of reproduction.
If we mate a different SUBspecies (not species), will their children be prolific or sterile?

Hope you understand my questions right:)

[dave himself]

I'm not sure of the answer to your first question. But the answer to your second question is no, they are not sterile. I hope this helps you :)

[Enigma]

I'm not sure of the answer to your first question. But the answer to your second question is no, they are not sterile. I hope this helps you :)
Thank you. Now I know.

Will also wait answer for the first question too.

[Andy_G]

I know that breeders prefer pure kinds of snakes and other animals. But sometimes you can get very interesting hybrids, if you cross different subspecies of one species or even cross different species.
But I read that snakes can keep sperm in themselves for several years.
My questions are:

1) If I breed a female with a male of differents species, I will get hybrids. But next time, I'll want to breed this female with the same species male as she is. What is the probability that I will receive a clean line from this pairing? Or is there a risk that the female can again give hybrids from the first sperm?

2) And the question of reproduction.
If we mate a different SUBspecies (not species), will their children be prolific or sterile?

Hope you understand my questions right:)

1) If you bred her with a male of the same species the second time, the offspring would be pure. If not, you'd be able to tell anyways.

2) They would be able to produce offspring as well. It can happen in the wild with dofferent subspecies that have overlap in their geographical range, and when it does' it's called an intergrade.

[Enigma]

1) If you bred her with a male of the same species the second time, the offspring would be pure. If not, you'd be able to tell anyways.

2) They would be able to produce offspring as well. It can happen in the wild with dofferent subspecies that have overlap in their geographical range, and when it does' it's called an intergrade.

Great! Thank you very much!

[Enigma]

And another question.
How to make papers for hybrids? If the parents are: one with the document СITES and the other with ordinary papers.
Is the documents will be usual with named Hybrids?

[Andy_G]

And another question.
How to make papers for hybrids? If the parents are: one with the document СITES and the other with ordinary papers.
Is the documents will be usual with named Hybrids?

I would simply just disclose everything. I am uncertain about the requirements for documentation for hybridized CITES animals for shipping from country to country, but when making the papers to provide for customers, it should of course be disclosed to what was crossed specifically (species x species in latin, common names as an option to be added as well).

[Enigma]

I would simply just disclose everything. I am uncertain about the requirements for documentation for hybridized CITES animals for shipping from country to country, but when making the papers to provide for customers, it should of course be disclosed to what was crossed specifically (species x species in latin, common names as an option to be added as well).

Thank you. Now will know for future.

[dannybgoode]

My question would be - if a snake is so endangered as to be CITES listed should you be polluting blood lines and hybridizing?

For transparency I should state I am 100% against hybridization of any snake but can just about see why people may want to. Hybridization of rarer localities - absolutely not in any circumstances.

[Andy_G]

My question would be - if a snake is so endangered as to be CITES listed should you be polluting blood lines and hybridizing?

For transparency I should state I am 100% against hybridization of any snake but can just about see why people may want to. Hybridization of rarer localities - absolutely not in any circumstances.

Although I agree with you, Danny, keep in mind that CITES animals aren't always that rare in the pet trade. Ball pythons and blood pythons have been hybridized numerous times, as have green anacondas with burmese pythons. My initial thought was similar to yours though, for what it's worth. :)

[dannybgoode]

Although I agree with you, Danny, keep in mind that CITES animals aren't always that rare in the pet trade. Ball pythons and blood pythons have been hybridized numerous times, as have green anacondas with burmese pythons. My initial thought was similar to yours though, for what it's worth. :)

I agree to a point but even in more common species pure blood line localities are be coming becoming rarer even among sub-species.

I don't think we need add to the issue with hybridization.

I'd not go as far as to tell Enigma not to do it-not my place to by any means and i know I'm very rigid when it comes to such things-however it is a question anyone thinking of hybridization should at least think about.

[Andy_G]

I agree to a point but even in more common species pure blood line localities are be coming becoming rarer even among sub-species.

I don't think we need add to the issue with hybridization.

I'd not go as far as to tell Enigma not to do it-not my place to by any means and i know I'm very rigid when it comes to such things-however it is a question anyone thinking of hybridization should at least think about.

I tend to agree once again, Danny. I remember when pure bloodline carpet pythons were much easier to find, and I miss it. Recently someone in Canada crossed a blizzard morph southern pine with a black pinesnake which is now a protected species. I can't understand why things like this are done sometimes. To each their own though... :(

[Enigma]

Yes, I understand and no it is not my future breeding plan. I just have 2 differents species of Tiger Pythons- Burmese and Pimbura. And just was thinking about if they will breed together...than how the size and colors will change in future litters.
I understand, that the pure line of rare animals and animals at all is always on first place. But that`s why Im asked, abut the sperm keeping and about correct papers for hybrids, because I did not wanted to do a hybrids all the time.
I just wanted toknow different opinions because I know that in America, you have a lot of those color and size morphs, which we do not have here. And I just thought that you have a lot of practice in hybrids for that. May be I was wrong...

[Tsubaki]

Enigma, breeding "Tiger" Indian pythons (Pimbura) with "Tiger" Burmese pythons (Bivitattus) is not worth it, the result is just a slightly off coloured Burmese looking python that requires cites documentation! And they are very much as risk at dirtying bloodlines because they don't look too much like hybrids. It's very tempting for people to toss the Cites document and just sell them as either a Pimbura or a Bivitattus depending on which they look like most. Most colour variations are just morphs, not hybrids. Also those colour and size morphs ARE available here. There are big breeders all over Europe, including Germany and Poland where i bought a few animals.


Although I agree with you, Danny, keep in mind that CITES animals aren't always that rare in the pet trade. Ball pythons and blood pythons have been hybridized numerous times, as have green anacondas with burmese pythons. My initial thought was similar to yours though, for what it's worth. :)

Green anaconda's with burms? Don't think this is possible since anacondas are boas not pythons. I've seen Boa constrictor x Anaconda hybrids though.

[jjhill001]

Selling hybrids is a really tough proposition. Finding a hybrid that doesn't just look dirty and is actually really cool is like a 1 in a 1000 proposition. That'll be the one you wanna keep. Every other baby will be tough to sell if you can even sell it. I'm not sure what the overall opinion on them is overseas but with their all natural care strategy I can't imagine it's any better than here in the US.

I just wouldn't do it personally.

[Andy_G]

Enigma, breeding "Tiger" Indian pythons (Pimbura) with "Tiger" Burmese pythons (Bivitattus) is not worth it, the result is just a slightly off coloured Burmese looking python that requires cites documentation! And they are very much as risk at dirtying bloodlines because they don't look too much like hybrids. It's very tempting for people to toss the Cites document and just sell them as either a Pimbura or a Bivitattus depending on which they look like most. Most colour variations are just morphs, not hybrids. Also those colour and size morphs ARE available here. There are big breeders all over Europe, including Germany and Poland where i bought a few animals.




Green anaconda's with burms? Don't think this is possible since anacondas are boas not pythons. I've seen Boa constrictor x Anaconda hybrids though.

Completely my error, I meant to say retic x burm as I was thinking bateaters. don't know where condas came from to be honest. :)

[Enigma]

Thank you, friends, for your opinions and thoughts.
So I think that next snakes in my collection will be the male Pimbura for my Pimbura girl and female Burmese for my Burmese boys. This will be the right chois.
Thank you one more time!