Cave geckos - had something strange pop up, need opinions! :)

[SnakeyJay]

Hi everyone, I've posted this on a few groups over Facebook but can't seem to get any opinions really on what's actually happened. Hopefully I can get a better feedback from you guys.. here goes.

I've been breeding cave geckos (hainanensis and kuroiwae) for a few years now and this year I've had an anomaly pop up. G.kuroiwae are born black with orange bands either going horizontal or vertical down the body, these will normally turn yellow or gold as an adult against the dark background.

However this year I've had 5 out of 8 hatch out with completely white markings, along with no red pigment in the eyes... These 5 are now 7 months old and staying white it seems... There's no morphs so far within the G.kuroiwae so I've not got a lot to go off to find what's actually going on.

Incubation was 80-90 days at 22-24c.. all 8 hatched out and shed within the first day or 2 (most shed while in the incubator still) and they all started feeding within the first 2-4 days.

Any input or opinions are appreciated, I'll try and attach a couple of pics but my phone doesn't match well with this site for pics. 😀👍

[SnakeyJay]

I'll have to upload pics after I finish work, phone signal just isn't letting me upload :(

[MartinD]

Hi Jamie, I'm on FB, Martin Dixon, thats it lol and anyone else if they want to add me

[Minkness]

Sounds like you found a new morph tbh. Keep them and breed them to prove it out. Since you have more than one try to breed one back to a sibling, one to a parent, and one to an unrelated normal and see what happens. =)

Really looking forward to pics though!

[eminart]

Is this a new pairing, or one that has produced just normal babies before?

[SnakeyJay]

Sounds like you found a new morph tbh. Keep them and breed them to prove it out. Since you have more than one try to breed one back to a sibling, one to a parent, and one to an unrelated normal and see what happens. =)

Really looking forward to pics though!

That's already the plan, in just hoping to get some others opinions mate... Thabks for replying too 😀👍

[SnakeyJay]

Is this a new pairing, or one that has produced just normal babies before?

New pairing pairing mate, never been bred before.

[Aaron_S]

I'm curious on what the body colour is and if it's changed at all.

Where did you get this new breeding pair? Wild caught?

[SnakeyJay]

I'm curious on what the body colour is and if it's changed at all.

Where did you get this new breeding pair? Wild caught?

No not wild caught, from a breeder who I contacted when they came out like this... he's never had it happen himself.

The main body colour is pretty much the same as the normals ones, I'll get the laptop out when I get back and hopefully show you guys some photos.

[Aaron_S]

No not wild caught, from a breeder who I contacted when they came out like this... he's never had it happen himself.

The main body colour is pretty much the same as the normals ones, I'll get the laptop out when I get back and hopefully show you guys some photos.

Ask him if he has any lineage of where the parents of these came from.

It's possible it's just this one year but it's odd to have 5/8 exhibit the same traits and it be incubation issues.

Breed the same pair again next year and see if it happens again!

It very well could be a neat trait that's inheritable and your pair somehow "broke" the genetics and they come out with these cool white markings.

P.S. I want 2.4

[SnakeyJay]

Try these...

http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah7/snakeyjay1/EE7FE2EC-2904-4E4B-831B-9E4BF52AF0E1_zpsusadrghv.jpg

http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah7/snakeyjay1/2794330B-FDBE-4B1D-896B-995A24DC445D_zpslcmmz8yt.jpg

http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah7/snakeyjay1/9A1C061F-1E68-4195-A737-7BA7A6AAAEAC_zpspjkmvjkw.jpg

[SnakeyJay]

Ask him if he has any lineage of where the parents of these came from.

It's possible it's just this one year but it's odd to have 5/8 exhibit the same traits and it be incubation issues.

Breed the same pair again next year and see if it happens again!

It very well could be a neat trait that's inheritable and your pair somehow "broke" the genetics and they come out with these cool white markings.

P.S. I want 2.4

It's the lack of pigment in the eyes too that make me think Anery...

[SnakeyJay]

Hi Jamie, I'm on FB, Martin Dixon, thats it lol and anyone else if they want to add me

I'll Add you! 👍

[Aaron_S]

It's the lack of pigment in the eyes too that make me think Anery...

I would agree. The body looks just the same which is purple-y. Purple is produced by melanin which makes dark pigments so it would all make sense.

I would say Anery or Axanthic. I can't remember the exact definition of them but they do essentially the same thing.

I want 2.4 in case you didn't know....

[SnakeyJay]

I would agree. The body looks just the same which is purple-y. Purple is produced by melanin which makes dark pigments so it would all make sense.

I would say Anery or Axanthic. I can't remember the exact definition of them but they do essentially the same thing.

I want 2.4 in case you didn't know....

Lmao, I notice you may want 2.4..

You can be first on the list for when they eventually go for sale if you like, however shipping to America is something I've no idea on how to do. No doubt pricey, but you probably know that lol.

No idea what axanthic is either, im really not a morph guy at all.

[SnakeyJay]

The eyes should be red/orange too, which is totally missing.

[Aaron_S]

Lmao, I notice you may want 2.4..

You can be first on the list for when they eventually go for sale if you like, however shipping to America is something I've no idea on how to do. No doubt pricey, but you probably know that lol.

No idea what axanthic is either, im really not a morph guy at all.

I do want first on the list. I will look up where the species ranks for CITES if at all and see what the costs would be. I don't mind the cost.


They look cooler than I thought they might.

[RAD House]

It would be incredibly cool if you were able to prove out a genetic mutation. Good Luck.

[RAD House]

I would agree. The body looks just the same which is purple-y. Purple is produced by melanin which makes dark pigments so it would all make sense.

I would say Anery or Axanthic. I can't remember the exact definition of them but they do essentially the same thing.

I want 2.4 in case you didn't know....

I believe anerytheristic is the lack of red pigment and axanthic is the lack of yellow pigment.

[SnakeyJay]

I do want first on the list. I will look up where the species ranks for CITES if at all and see what the costs would be. I don't mind the cost.


They look cooler than I thought they might.

Not too many people keep them, definitely not like crested or Leo's.. but I think the whole cave gecko family is under rated personally. Like little ninjas at night when they're climbing around! :D

Ok yeah that's fine if your willing to pay the costs mate... but it'll be a couple of years till the next generation will be here.

[SnakeyJay]

It would be incredibly cool if you were able to prove out a genetic mutation. Good Luck.

Thank you, much appreciated! :)

[Aaron_S]

Not too many people keep them, definitely not like crested or Leo's.. but I think the whole cave gecko family is under rated personally. Like little ninjas at night when they're climbing around! :D

Ok yeah that's fine if your willing to pay the costs mate... but it'll be a couple of years till the next generation will be here.

Send me first Gen...all 8 babies. lol

[SnakeyJay]

Send me first Gen...all 8 babies. lol

I wouldn't be happy selling anything untill I know what's happening genetically and I see them reproduce for a generation or so with no problems... I'm funny like that, I don't even sell my normal babies untill 6 months just to be sure they're absolutely healthy....
Costs me loads to feed and I usually give half the babies each year away to friends but I don't do this for the ££ (not that I don't need the cash) I just want to produce healthy cool looking animals..

You can definitely go on the list for when they do go for sale though, without a doubt. Shoot me a pm if you want to keep in contact over FB in regards to them too. :)

[sirtalis]

Send me first Gen...all 8 babies. lol

Send them to me, Ill pay double!!! Lol

In all seriousness though, if you have a list please put me on it, I'm more than a little interested haha

Looking forward to pics, they are already such a unique species I think morphs would be awesome!

[SnakeyJay]

Send them to me, Ill pay double!!! Lol

In all seriousness though, if you have a list please put me on it, I'm more than a little interested haha

Looking forward to pics, they are already such a unique species I think morphs would be awesome!

No worries, you and Aaron can fight it out for them :)

Look on the first page, I've linked a couple of pics that I've uploaded to Photobucket.

[Aaron_S]

I wouldn't be happy selling anything untill I know what's happening genetically and I see them reproduce for a generation or so with no problems... I'm funny like that, I don't even sell my normal babies untill 6 months just to be sure they're absolutely healthy....
Costs me loads to feed and I usually give half the babies each year away to friends but I don't do this for the ££ (not that I don't need the cash) I just want to produce healthy cool looking animals..

You can definitely go on the list for when they do go for sale though, without a doubt. Shoot me a pm if you want to keep in contact over FB in regards to them too. :)

Yeah I'll find you on FB. I want to send some of the pics to gecko friends I have as well.

Send them to me, Ill pay double!!! Lol

In all seriousness though, if you have a list please put me on it, I'm more than a little interested haha

Looking forward to pics, they are already such a unique species I think morphs would be awesome!

I'll make you disappear from the forum and then you'll be forgotten when it comes time for them to be sold....

[SnakeyJay]

Yeah I'll find you on FB. I want to send some of the pics to gecko friends I have as well.



I'll make you disappear from the forum and then you'll be forgotten when it comes time for them to be sold....

Yeah that's fine... can you link them through/to my photography page on FB... it's where they'll be shown off in future...

This link is to "Fauna photography - JHiggins". 👍

https://m.facebook.com/Fauna-Photography-JHiggins-545960662238691/?ref=bookmarks

[sirtalis]

Yeah I'll find you on FB. I want to send some of the pics to gecko friends I have as well.



I'll make you disappear from the forum and then you'll be forgotten when it comes time for them to be sold....

:sorry: can't argue that haha

[sirtalis]

No worries, you and Aaron can fight it out for them :)

Look on the first page, I've linked a couple of pics that I've uploaded to Photobucket.


My bad haha, those are stunners, its kinda weird seeing a cave gecko without the red/orange eyes but I really like it, 10/10

[SnakeyJay]

My bad haha, those are stunners, its kinda weird seeing a cave gecko without the red/orange eyes but I really like it, 10/10

Thank you, I thought that too! :D

[Aaron_S]

I just found out there's some Luii in Canada with the same type of mutation. Fascinating.

[SnakeyJay]

I just found out there's some Luii in Canada with the same type of mutation. Fascinating.

Awesome!!! I like the G.luii, possibly next on the list...

Hmm I wonder if the bloke would do a swap at some point... :D

[Aaron_S]

Awesome!!! I like the G.luii, possibly next on the list...

Hmm I wonder if the bloke would do a swap at some point... :D

I'm not sure where they ended up but message me on FB and I can give you the name of the person who had/sold them.

[SnakeyJay]

I'm not sure where they ended up but message me on FB and I can give you the name of the person who had/sold them.

Will do!.....