Opinions wanted, is this SD a morph in your eyes. [Archive]

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Tsubaki

01-07-17, 11:17 AM

EL Ziggy

01-07-17, 11:24 AM

I don't know much at all about retic morphs but she's gorgeous in any event. ;)

Tsubaki

01-07-17, 11:29 AM

That I'll completely agree with :D

Minkness

01-07-17, 12:10 PM

A sun tiger maybe? You know I know squat about reric morphs though lol.

Man she gorgeous.

trailblazer295

01-07-17, 12:24 PM

Is gorgeous a morph? Super hyper ultra yellow :p

Tsubaki

01-07-17, 12:53 PM

A sun tiger maybe? You know I know squat about reric morphs though lol.

Man she gorgeous.

Not a tiger, but the sun part might be right. Thx Mink!

Is gorgeous a morph? Super hyper ultra yellow :p

Sure, haha! Thx :D she is very yellow yeah.

riddick07

01-07-17, 01:12 PM

She looks Sunfire to me too. Pretty girl!

Tsubaki

01-07-17, 01:17 PM

Thx Riddick07, :D so far a lot of people said sunfire.. Maybe one day I'll try to prove that, she's at least 4 years away from any breeding attempts. Might breed her to my genetic stripe het albino SD, who knows she might surprise me. At very least I'll get pretty SDs het GS

MartinD

01-07-17, 05:44 PM

trailblazer295

01-07-17, 05:52 PM

What a tease that just leaves more questions lol what oh what is this pretty girl.

Tsubaki

01-07-17, 06:12 PM

When I read your post and you said "But she has struck an interesting discussion amongst my friends whether or not she's a morph", I contacted a friend who breeds SD, Dwarfs and Mainlands and he said yes she is a morph and not a normal, but he didn't say what he thought she was.

I've never bred morph retics myself, only pure islandforms :D curious to hear what he thinks! If he gets back to you please let me know.

MartinD

01-08-17, 03:40 AM

I've never bred morph retics myself, only pure islandforms :D curious to hear what he thinks! If he gets back to you please let me know.

Yes I definitely will.

dave himself

01-09-17, 12:09 PM

She's definitely not a normal imo, but then what do I know :D. What were you thinking of breeding her with mate?

Tsubaki

01-09-17, 12:26 PM

Since she's a Superdwarf, the only interesting male i have would be my Genetic Stripe Het albino Superdwarf. If anything, I'll at least get pure superdwarfs 100% het Genetic Stripe PH albino. (Maybe sunglow) Mainlands and dwarves don't sell at all around here anymore. So if i breed her, that would be the one

dave himself

01-09-17, 01:08 PM

Wouldn't it be nice if she was het albino ;)

Tsubaki

01-09-17, 01:19 PM

Yes it would be haha, if she is I'd know if i breed her to Hiro

dave himself

01-09-17, 03:24 PM

If she is sunfire and het albino, you'd get albino sunfires. A lot of ifs, but it would still be nice ;)

Tsubaki

01-09-17, 04:23 PM

That's a whole lot of ifs... :P

dave himself

01-09-17, 04:56 PM

It most surly is mate, but ya never know :D

MartinD

01-09-17, 05:03 PM

I've never bred morph retics myself, only pure islandforms :D curious to hear what he thinks! If he gets back to you please let me know.
I have heard from my friend and he said it is very possible it is a sunfire

Tsubaki

01-09-17, 05:19 PM

Thanks :D so possible sunfire it is. Most popular opinion.

JustMeNmySnakes

01-17-17, 02:43 PM

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0401.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0401.jpg.html)

Here is my SD Sunfire Tiger poss het Anery. I see some possible similarities. :)

Tsubaki

01-17-17, 02:51 PM

Nice retic :)

MartinD

01-18-17, 04:11 AM

Beautiful retic, can't wait to get mine, should be here around 27th/28th of January

IW17

01-18-17, 07:05 PM

I'm going suntiger. The "tiger" look isn't as typical, but I still believe that's the other piece of the puzzle along with Sunfire.

Tsubaki

01-19-17, 02:53 AM

I don't know about that, she's missing a lot of the key elements that makes tigers a tiger imo.. She does have the full back stripe going though.. thanks for your input :)

JustMeNmySnakes

01-19-17, 09:57 PM

Just shared one of your pics with a very well known Retic breeder (Worldwide) here in Southern California and their take on your Retic is that it's a Platinum. He said they don't see anything else but Platinum. Of course without seeing the breeding pair its not certain, but these guys are the only ones I'd trust besides maybe consulting with a Retic pioneer like Bob Clark..(I hope that helps)
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/IMG_0276.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/IMG_0276.jpg.html)
This is just one of many photos I copied from the internet and this is a juvenile and sometimes the colors in the juveniles can be a bit stronger.
There are different yet similar variations in the pattern from one pic to another and colorations vary slightly with age and pre shed, in shed, post shed, but I think if you take a look at some different Platinum Retic photos, you might see that you've got a Platty yourself.

JustMeNmySnakes

01-20-17, 08:42 AM

I know I have to breed her to be sure, and it doesn't really matter to me what she is.. But she has struck an interesting discussion amongst my friends whether or not she's a morph, and I'm curious for more opinions. (Sunfire is the most popular opinion thus far). She's a rescue and the info on her is limited. She's a Superdwarf, both parents were around 8ft. One was a morph but they couldn't really tell me what one. Here are some pictures of her after her latest shed, she's nearly completely yellow with a bit of a copper tone to it. Not the best pictures, still haven't bought a new camera.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/Senna-Ichurin/Mobile%20Uploads/20170107_141512_zpsizdcopq1.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/Senna-Ichurin/Mobile%20Uploads/20170107_141428_zpsdlopfyag.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/Senna-Ichurin/Mobile%20Uploads/20170107_141302_zpsn8u4rco5.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/Senna-Ichurin/Mobile%20Uploads/20170107_141035_zps6pdj4oy6.jpg

Found this Platinum on World of Retics Genetic wizard: I believe it's a yearling so once it's pattern has stretched out from growth, I believe these two would look very much alike. Good luck brother!
BTW: COMPARE THE PATTERN UP THE NECK TO THE HEAD OF YOURS IN THE LAST PIC WITH THIS ONE. PLATINUM.

http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0277.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0277.jpg.html)

Tsubaki

01-20-17, 09:18 AM

Thanks! You're right, that could literally be a litter mate of hers, I actually found that picture before but didn't save it! A lot of similarities.. still some differences.. Lyra being much cleaner in appearence and besides her neck having some shattering (the typical SD patterning, or is it the platinum gene?) she has a full body stripe and even less side patterning. Also her head is extremely yellow, which could be a result of a morph or a yellowhead ancestor. Been looking around a lot, since I got her.. As the unknown is a big trigger to read (I get obsessed, not the best quality of mine)... Picking up a lot of info on the whole retic morph scene. Since I only bred pure island forms before, I only knew the technical side of it because genetics fascinate me endlessly.. I could tell exactly how it genetically ticked, but show me anything besides the common morphs and I'd be at a loss what was in it :D... So the physiologic differences between say Sunfire and Platinum/fire is nothing I had ever looked into before. I bought a Purple bc I love purples, same with my Genetic Stripe and my late Tiger.. Now I'm looking more and more into other morphs in general, what gene does what exactly .. It's fascinating. I agree that Fire would be more likely, though the copper tone made me think sunfire at first, the more I look the more I think platinum as well. I googled a lot and the Superdwarf Fires seem all to have a more coppery tone to them than the Mainlands/Dwarves. Which is the case with most morphs, so it's starting to make sense. SD morphs are a more coppery/muted colour... .. So what if.. Stay with me here .. She's a Sunfire Platty?? The reason I'm saying so, is because the sunfire gene seems to clean up the sides, she has very clean sides.. The Sunfire Platty combo also gives a lot of striped animals with a very similar patterning! Another thing that got me thinking.. Yes maybe she is too muted for a Sunfire Platty. But then again mate pictures I find are 'big breeder' pics, and they aren't shy of photoshop and use perfect settings. These are just regular mobile phone pics, comparing them to other normal pics (little harder to find but theyre out there ) she looked incredibly similar. Also the more SD in them, the more similar they looked. Sorry for the rant, I've send a great amount of time looking into all this :D it's all speculation, I can't prove anything for years to come.. And I'm going to laugh if she tricked us all and just turns out to be a very unique looking normal and none of these traits being Incomplete dominant genes.. :D Still, had hours of entertainment reading up about all this.. Still got some bookmarked pages to go.

JustMeNmySnakes

01-20-17, 03:30 PM

THIS IS MY FEMALE NORMAL POSS HET ANERY. SHES AN ISLAND LOCALE MIX, BUT I WASNT ABLE TO GET EXACT PERCENTAGES FROM THE SELLER. WAS A JAMPEA X SELAYER. SHE IS ABOUT 11-12'
PHOTO WITHOUT FLASH..
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0415.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0415.jpg.html)

THIS IS MY FEMALE NORMAL POSS HET ANERY. SHES AN ISLAND LOCALE MIX, BUT I WASNT ABLE TO GET EXACT PERCENTAGES FROM THE SELLER. WAS A JAMPEA X SELAYER. SHE IS ABOUT 11-12'
PHOTO WITH FLASH..
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0414.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0414.jpg.html)

THIS IS MY DWARF MALE DOUBLE HET GENETIC STRIPE/ALBINO. ALSO A NORMAL.
PHOTO WITHOUT FLASH.
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0412.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0412.jpg.html)

AND, WITH FLASH.
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0413.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0413.jpg.html)
I figured with and without flash might help show different contrasts: Not the greatest though...
So, yours can't be a normal by any means. I'll look for some un-edited photos of mature Platinums and Sunfires, but I'm convinced you've got a platinum. Perhaps a Platinum het for...???
I hope this helps and I hope I didn't rant too much either.. LOL!

JustMeNmySnakes

01-20-17, 03:40 PM

Since you're familiar with the different locales, perhaps I could post some better pics of my female and you could help me identify her by pattern, belly color, head shape, anything. The reptile peeps at the local meetings here took a look and confirmed she a SD/Dwarf locale of some sort. Hell, I picked her up January 2015 and she could curl up in my hand. It was a handful, no doubt. And now..
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0252.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0252.jpg.html)
This enclosure is 5' long, 18" high, 2' deep.

And she's more than a handful now...at about 11-12'...lol!
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0251.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0251.jpg.html)
I love her colors as plain as she is. Was told she's a locale mix het Anery.. Aloha!

Tsubaki

01-20-17, 05:14 PM

Didn't you just say she was Jampea Selayar mix? She too large for a SD mix at 2 years old. Have any better pictures?

JustMeNmySnakes

01-21-17, 02:55 AM

The seller said that's what was crossed, but couldn't show me the breeding pair, or pictures. And now with her size, I realize she's definitely not a SD. Possibly, or I'd like to believe she's a Dwarf, at the very least. I'll bring her out in the morning and try and get some better pics.
HERE IS A YOUNG PIC BUT SHOWS COLORS FAIRLY WELL. I WILL STILL SNAP SOME FRESH PICTURES IN THE MORNING..LOL...TODAY!
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv81/smbolter/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0551.jpg (http://s672.photobucket.com/user/smbolter/media/Reptile%20Philes/IMG_0551.jpg.html)

Tsubaki

01-21-17, 05:04 AM

I can see Jampea being in there definitely, big influence.. The neck pattern is very typical for them, the black edges of the back pattern seem thick for Jampea though. In Jampea the yellow in brown contrast around the back pattern is often more muted, this one seems to have more colour. The silver goes up very far, which also fits, but they are quite wide giving the whole animal a more silver look, which is uncommon. P.s. They are often called dwarves, but they can actually reach an impressive size.. 17ft is not strange for Jampea.

I cant really spot the Selayer. They're used to make animals display more yellow like someone used a highlighter on them, and smaller diamonds by increasing the colour around it is another effect. They also have yellow heads which should show some trace. So either the 'Selayer' wasn't one, or the % is so low every trait is diluted beyond recognition. Also Selayar can grow quite large, not really true 'dwarves' either.

It's impossible to tell whats in there, the Jampea influence is obvious but the missing parts? Who knows! Even if some part of its ancestry is actually Selayer X Jampea... The pos het. Anery has to come from some crossing as well, diluting the island forms even further.. I'd say just stick to Jampea mix PH anery. How big she will get? Time will tell, she is very large for a 2 year old. How much is she fed?