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Moe! My JCP Has been soaking for three days now??? Yesterday He had been soaking for 48 hours... He dropped a sperm plug in his water, {at least that's what I think it is} so I pulled him, his water dish, cleaned and sanitized, fresh water... And then I hold him to get him warmed back up... This is not the first time I have done this with Moe... Usually I'll put him back and he'll climb up on his branch under his heat and goes to sleep... Which he did yesterday but this morning he was back in his water dish soaking... I got a body temp of 76* {using a temp gun} so I put some heat over him in the water to get his temp up... I don't see any bugs, and believe you me, I have been looking... Fred {my Taiwanese beauty snake} has been soaking a lot the last few days but he likes to poo in his water dish... Which he did twice in the last two days...
I guess my questions are is this normal behavior? How cold can a snake get before it goes into hypothermia?
Minkness
12-05-16, 11:44 AM
You may want to try putting them in a tub with just paper towls and see if there are any motes. Sounds to me like mites but can't 100% sure unless you have evidence.
Sorry to hear your babes are worrying you. Good luck!
dave himself
12-05-16, 11:59 AM
You could just put a smaller water bowl in for a short period of time if your really worried about it mate. I've had snakes do this to me in the past just before they'd started showing any signs of going into shed, it could be this especially with you saying there's no sign of mites
SnoopySnake
12-05-16, 12:02 PM
I agree that you should put them all in simple cages on paper towel to check for notes. If I remember correctly didn't one of your animals just have mites?
You may want to try putting them in a tub with just paper towls and see if there are any motes. Sounds to me like mites but can't 100% sure unless you have evidence.
Sorry to hear your babes are worrying you. Good luck!
All my guys are on white paper towels {Bounty 2 X absorbent to be exact}
They got me on the soaking mite thing last time... I didn't see anything for days until they showed up...
You could just put a smaller water bowl in for a short period of time if your really worried about it mate. I've had snakes do this to me in the past just before they'd started showing any signs of going into shed, it could be this especially with you saying there's no sign of mites
I use to have a smaller water dish and he was always trying to get in it so I thought if he wanted to soak I should prove him with the opportunity...
Moe Shed 10/11 so he's really not do!
I agree that you should put them all in simple cages on paper towel to check for notes. If I remember correctly didn't one of your animals just have mites?
I treated for mites 8/27 and then again 9/12 and thought I had them under control... but this is how it started out last time... What is the gestation period on these little #%$&*#@???
I'd get some Nix and start treating for mites to be safe. It can't hurt to be proactive. Maybe it's a simple case of needing more humidity because of the dryer air during the colder months?
I'd guess you haven't won the mite battle yet, Sattva. I'd treat minimum for a whole month. The little buggers can travel approximately 30 feet in a hour and will find the oddest places to hide so one must be diligent and repetitive to ensure they've been taken care of.
toddnbecka
12-05-16, 01:40 PM
My carpets sometimes soak for a day or two, particularly before a shed. My (relatively) little female IJ just shed, and the humidity must have been too low because it didn't all come off like usual. I put her into a linen reptile shipping bag with a dripping wet hand towel, then put that into a small tub overnight. Rest of the shed was off when I took her out today. I think it was due to the forced air gas furnace lowering the humidity. Didn't have any issues with stuck shed until now.
I've also seen them both soak in the water bowl/s for no apparent reason, even when the humidity is fine and they're not in shed. Same with the sub-adult and adult Dominicans, though I haven't seen any of the babies soaking yet, possibly because the shoebox tubs in the racks hold higher humidity than larger enclosures(?)
Minkness
12-05-16, 02:05 PM
I feel like a broken record saying this, but try Sevin Dust. Put it in tye enclosures under the paper towels and then if you have carpets, sprinkle it on the carpets. It doesn't kill them like NIX and PAM but it prevents them from gestating and they will all eventually die out.
SnoopySnake
12-05-16, 02:48 PM
Yeah I definitely think you should nix again but you want to treat more often. Two treatments over two weeks unfortunately won't do it, I treated every 4-5 days for a month minimum. I bleached/deep cleaned the enclosures, then NIXed the crap out of it, wipe snake down, ect, leave water bowl out for 24 hours, repeat in 4-5 days. I didn't do the deep clean every 4-5 days, just NIX every 4-5 days.
Yea I got to get some NIX if for no other reason to have it on hand and for maintenance... But he crawled upon his branch this morning and I don't see any bugs in his water nor his paper towels... I hate to put him through treatment if I don't have to... Can the Sevin Dust and the NIX be used together? I don't want to over treat... I still have a half of can of PAM and a reptile rinse from the last bout of them... They better not be back... Grrrr :unibrow:
Albert Clark
12-06-16, 11:33 AM
Yea I got to get some NIX if for no other reason to have it on hand and for maintenance... But he crawled upon his branch this morning and I don't see any bugs in his water nor his paper towels... I hate to put him through treatment if I don't have to... Can the Sevin Dust and the NIX be used together? I don't want to over treat... I still have a half of can of PAM and a reptile rinse from the last bout of them... They better not be back... Grrrr :unibrow: Always be concerned when it comes to mites. What you can do is a maintenance treatment by treating the perimeters of your enclosures. Just remember to still remove all the water dishes and bowls for 24 -48 hrs.
Just an update here guys.... I took Moe out to give him a mite bath and started with a hot bath as before... No Mites came off... I wiped and wiped and nothing... So I decide to do what I think Dave said was to take the water away to break the cycle... He got his water dish back yesterday and so far he's stayed out of it... But I think I beat the bug thing... Except for ants... My wife and I are at the tail end of the worst ant infestation I have ever had... But that another story...
Everybody ate last night; George shed in one piece for the first time since I got him... I have always had to help him through it, So I guess 80% humidity is the magic number... Yaaa everybody's healthy and happy... Knock on glass! Haha :yes:
MartinD
12-12-16, 11:33 AM
Good news about the mites, not so good about the ants. You will have to get yourself an anteater
dave himself
12-12-16, 11:56 AM
Glad to hear about the no mites and all the snakes are doing well but sorry to hear about your ant problem mate, that sounds like a right pain in the rear how the heck do you get rid of them :eek:
MartinD
12-12-16, 01:46 PM
Glad to hear about the no mites and all the snakes are doing well but sorry to hear about your ant problem mate, that sounds like a right pain in the rear how the heck do you get rid of them :eek:
Dave do you have Jeyes Fluid in Ireland. I used to use that at about 50/50 with water and paint it on where the ants were and never see then again. But Jeyes Fluid does stink lol
dave himself
12-12-16, 01:53 PM
Dave do you have Jeyes Fluid in Ireland. I used to use that at about 50/50 with water and paint it on where the ants were and never see then again. But Jeyes Fluid does stink lol
Yes mate but not in the freakin house :D
Glad to hear about the no mites and all the snakes are doing well but sorry to hear about your ant problem mate, that sounds like a right pain in the rear how the heck do you get rid of them :eek:
We use to buy these ant stakes that would work great... The ants would carry the poison back to the nest killing them all... but my wife couldn't find them and brought home a substitute and the ants could of cared less about it... We had to resort to a spray call "Hot Shot"... That got most of them but there is still hundreds of stragglers and scouts that I keep kill one at a time with my index finger... It's starting to get to me... I'm the kind of guy that puts flies and spiders outside because I believe everything has the right to live it's life to it's fullest... But if you go after my food all bets are off... :mad:
dave himself
12-13-16, 08:49 PM
We use to buy these ant stakes that would work great... The ants would carry the poison back to the nest killing them all... but my wife couldn't find them and brought home a substitute and the ants could of cared less about it... We had to resort to a spray call "Hot Shot"... That got most of them but there is still hundreds of stragglers and scouts that I keep kill one at a time with my index finger... It's starting to get to me... I'm the kind of guy that puts flies and spiders outside because I believe everything has the right to live it's life to it's fullest... But if you go after my food all bets are off... :mad:
Ah mate that sucks but I know what you mean about the food thing, even Lisa would get a fork in her hand for reaching at my plate lol
PatrickV
12-13-16, 08:57 PM
why do people suggest taking away the water bowl after treating for mites? i dont see how it would help.
why do people suggest taking away the water bowl after treating for mites? i dont see how it would help.
It's so the snake can't soak in the water and wash off the fresh treatment and also contaminate drinking water and ingest the chemicals.
PatrickV
12-14-16, 10:04 PM
ahh i see. good to know, thanks.
SnoopySnake
12-15-16, 12:34 PM
It's so the snake can't soak in the water and wash off the fresh treatment and also contaminate drinking water and ingest the chemicals.
^^^^ this. Ingesting the chemical is dangerous, toxic beforehand it dries which is also why you're supposed to wait until the enclosure is dry to put the animal back.
In the case of nix its fine to put the animal back when it's still wet but it must be allowed to dry before putting the bowl back in or it will not be as effective.
PatrickV
12-16-16, 07:29 PM
the first few treatments i did, i had put the snake back with the water bowl. i hope he didnt ingest chemicals and that hes not going to experience any negative side effects. but ive done 4-5 treatments now and he seems fine, hes eating well and behaves normally. im glad the nix seems to be working for me, i havent seen mites since the first treatment
the first few treatments i did, i had put the snake back with the water bowl. i hope he didnt ingest chemicals and that hes not going to experience any negative side effects. but ive done 4-5 treatments now and he seems fine, hes eating well and behaves normally. im glad the nix seems to be working for me, i havent seen mites since the first treatment
The dilution makes it safe for almost all species, thamnophis and heterodon require weaker concentrations because they are prone to have reactions to it. Sounds like there's nothing to worry about, Patrick.
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