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MDT
11-06-16, 07:52 PM
Placing my FWS application in the mail tomorrow. Plan is for 2 Eastern Indigos, a 2014 female and a 2016 male. No clue how long application will take.
Hopefully updates to follow!

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macandchz
11-06-16, 08:04 PM
why do you need this? i've never heard of this-just curious.
MDT
11-06-16, 08:11 PM
because they are a threatened species. and FWS says so :D
Minkness
11-06-16, 08:21 PM
What is FWS?

Nevermind....
SnoopySnake
11-07-16, 12:21 AM
Awesome!! Good luck!!
Andy_G
11-07-16, 08:42 AM
Very cool! Hopefully it'll be a relatively quick process.
SWDK
11-07-16, 09:52 AM
I've heard it takes around 3 months.
macandchz
11-07-16, 07:34 PM
does the fws give you the snakes in the hope that they'll produce more?
MDT
11-07-16, 07:37 PM
does the fws give you the snakes in the hope that they'll produce more?

Give? No... you purchase the snakes from a breeder who supplies a "breeder statement" for the FWS affirming the snakes are captive bred and born.
MDT
11-07-16, 07:38 PM
I've heard it takes around 3 months.

I've head similar, however, the breeder says he's recently had turnaround in about a month. Since it's the government, I'm banking on the 90 days.
SerpentineDream
11-07-16, 08:06 PM
It depends on the field office processing your application and how quick they are.

As I recall the application was 16 pages long and they wanted a diagram or photo of your snake room and enclosure. You send FWS $100 for a permit. The breeder sends FWS a seller's statement. Then once you are approved you send the breeder $1,000 or more and you get your snake.

I was all set to get an indigo until my husband--who tolerates the snakes but is uneasy with them--heard that they get up to 9 feet long, have crazy feeding responses and bludgeon / tear apart their prey. This terrified him. I told him they were otherwise gentle and intelligent snakes but he couldn't handle the prospect of having to feed it if I was sick or incapacitated so I pulled the plug.
MDT
11-07-16, 08:18 PM
Yep SD, that's about right. The 16 page app is also for "Recovery Permits", so in the end, you're only really filling out a portion of the 16 pages. Got my photos all included, along w the rest of the stuff they want to know (what other species do you work with, 2 year mortality in your collection, etc).

As for the word "bludgeon"....That's such a harsh word. :D
SerpentineDream
11-07-16, 08:27 PM
I should have told him they massage their prey. Very, very vigorously. :D

It would have backfired the first time he saw the critter eat though.
EL Ziggy
11-07-16, 08:48 PM
Sounds like a great new project MDT. I'd love an Eastern Indigo but we can't keep them here in GA.
REM955
11-07-16, 09:08 PM
Cool animal to get.
Curious.
Who are you buying from? I know there is a breeder in California that will help with the process.
Also, what are you doing for a cage? I know someone here has a pretty cool cage with a drawer/ burrow. Name escapes me.
MDT
11-07-16, 09:37 PM
Cool animal to get.
Curious.
Who are you buying from? I know there is a breeder in California that will help with the process.
Also, what are you doing for a cage?

Andy Watson in Colo. is the breeder. I'll be using my AP T3's until they get larger, then probably AP T25's
REM955
11-08-16, 12:41 AM
Ok. Is he part of Black Pearl Reptiles? I think the name sounds familiar.
MDT
11-08-16, 05:42 AM
He is s listed on BPR site as one of his sources for stock.