Just a few misc pics

[SWDK]

Here are two new snakes I got today from Exotic Pets in Vegas. Both are wc snakes and have been treated for parasites.

Red Tailed Green Rat Snake. It has some nose run marks and a small amount of scale rot near the tail.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/hiker4twenty/Mobile%20Uploads/AA08FF52-0BAB-4CD8-B263-A9C00046B33C.jpg (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/hiker4twenty/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AA08FF52-0BAB-4CD8-B263-A9C00046B33C.jpg.html)
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Tiger Rat Snake

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/hiker4twenty/Mobile%20Uploads/AE3FF05D-151D-4162-933F-6B646BFD4C55.jpg (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/hiker4twenty/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AE3FF05D-151D-4162-933F-6B646BFD4C55.jpg.html)

2.5 yr old Dumerils Boa

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/hiker4twenty/Mobile%20Uploads/CB8E1ABF-700D-4691-8917-39502DFD551A.jpg (http://s146.photobucket.com/user/hiker4twenty/media/Mobile%20Uploads/CB8E1ABF-700D-4691-8917-39502DFD551A.jpg.html)
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Northern Copperhead I observed herping

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[Ian of Oldham]

Love you snakes fab pics

2 Royals 1 Corn 1Boa and a mad Cat.

[Humble308]

Sweet tiger rat!

[SWDK]

Thank you!

[macandchz]

what a great collection! i love the green one.

[Roman]

Nice additions.

Even if they have been treated, I would send the next feces samples to your vet or a laboratory. Especially WC Gonyosoma usually have a wide variety of worms in their lungs and bowls, sometimes even in their mouth. So I would send some feces samples as soon as you get them and even if they show nothing another sample in 4 to 6 month.

Have you any branches in your box? My red tailed green rat snakes are almost never on the ground, they stay in the highest possible branches most of the time.

How do you plan to keep your Gonyosoma and your Spilotes after quarantine? I am always eager to compare some notes with other keepers of these snakes.

Good luck with both of them and have fun keeping them!

Roman

[SWDK]

Nice additions.

Even if they have been treated, I would send the next feces samples to your vet or a laboratory. Especially WC Gonyosoma usually have a wide variety of worms in their lungs and bowls, sometimes even in their mouth. So I would send some feces samples as soon as you get them and even if they show nothing another sample in 4 to 6 month.

Have you any branches in your box? My red tailed green rat snakes are almost never on the ground, they stay in the highest possible branches most of the time.

How do you plan to keep your Gonyosoma and your Spilotes after quarantine? I am always eager to compare some notes with other keepers of these snakes.

Good luck with both of them and have fun keeping them!

Roman

Thanks Roman! I'll get them tested and see what shows up. Hopefully they'll be clear, but you never know.

I just had them in tubs for a temp holding cage for pics, to slowly warm them up and get hydrated after shipping.

I'm keeping the Gonyosoma in an arboreal setup. It's 3Wx3Dx4H with some branches from driftwood. I have a heat lamp, but would like to add a RHP instead. The Spilotes is in a 4Wx2Dx4H enclosure. It's about the largest enclosure I can provide for it. Hopefully it will do the job.

[Albert Clark]

They all look outstanding. Nice job getting them acclimated. Thx.

[Roman]

I'm keeping the Gonyosoma in an arboreal setup. It's 3Wx3Dx4H with some branches from driftwood. I have a heat lamp, but would like to add a RHP instead. The Spilotes is in a 4Wx2Dx4H enclosure. It's about the largest enclosure I can provide for it. Hopefully it will do the job.

Sounds good so far!

However, some suggestions from my experience of keeping Gonyosoma and Spilotes for several years now.

The size of the Gonyosoma enclosure is OK, if you can provide it with something like 4 x 3 x 4(5) ft in the future, your snake will probably be much more active in it.

I would keep the heat lamp, because Gonyosoma is a typical heliophil snake, it associates light with warmth. Put the lamp right over a branch (outside the range of your snake) and you create a resting place for it your snake will gladly use to warm itself up. You can also provide a RHP if you need it to maintain the necessary temperature, especially during Winter.

You can use living plants, they will provide your snake with additional cover and will help to maintain the humidity.

I spray water at least once every day. Red tailed green rat snakes are used to drink droplets from their own body or from leafs, I think my Gonyosomas didn’t know what a water bowl was for more than 6 months, I never saw them drinking from it or taking a bath in it. Nowadays they use it regularly but it took them quite some time to figure it out.

All of this is true for your Spilotes as well. How long is your snake right now? Something like 5 to 6 ft? The size of your enclosure is OK for a snake of this size, but I would recommend an enclosure which is 3 ft deep. I have kept several tiger rat snakes in the same quarantine enclosure over the last years. This enclosure is 70 cm (a little more than 2 ft) deep. The behavior of the snakes was always the same. After some days or weeks to settle down they started to become really defensive and were always nervous as soon as I were only standing before the enclosure. When they finally moved into their big enclosure (it is ca. 8 x 3 x 6 ft) this behavior stopped within a few days. So from this observation I suppose that their “safety distance” is more than 2 ft, a deeper enclosure let them keep their distance to you and they feel more secure and relaxed.

So for an adult Spilotes of maybe 8 to 9 ft total length I would recommend an enclosure of 7 x 3 x 5 ft. Your snake will be calmer and much more active (if it has more room to be active in).

Just some pictures of my enclosures as suggestions…

Gonyosoma oxycephalum



http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_2917_zpsisegepjz.jpg

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_2630_zpse6dd739d.jpg



Spilotes pullatus


http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_2914_zps17dj5ja9.jpg

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_2927_zpsmrdt1zy3.jpg



and the quarantine enclosure, currently occupied with a pair of WC Spilotes

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_3180_zpsl5ksxf4l.jpg


Roman

[SWDK]

Thanks for all your advise and inspiration Roman. You're enclosures are quite impressive.

[sattva]

I am a little jealous ... Just how long is that green one in the first picture? Its body seems to go on and on...

[Ian of Oldham]

Cool set up Roman.


2 Royals 1Corn 1 Boa and a mad Cat

[Roman]

Thanks for all your advise and inspiration Roman. You're enclosures are quite impressive.

You're welcome :D

I am a little jealous ... Just how long is that green one in the first picture? Its body seems to go on and on...

You mean this picture (I am not sure if you are asking Dave or me)? ;)



http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_2917_zpsisegepjz.jpg

This is because there are two snakes in the picture. The head in the center of the picture belongs to the snake coiled at the left side. The head of the second snake, which is coiled in the center is right below the highest leaf in the foreground, the leaf with lighter green outside and darker green in the center. If you look at the left lower end of the leaf you can see the end of the head were it descend to the neck, it is lighter green, nearly yellow and you can just see the black stripe running from the nose to the other end of the head.

Here you can actually see the head of the second snake. :D



http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_2920_zpshppemb7b.jpg


The snake to the left is the male, it is probably 170 – 180 cm (ca 6 ft) long, the other snake is one of my females, she is a little shorter and not as massive as the male.

Here are all three of them, waiting for food (don’t ask me which one is which, I think the one looking down is the male, but I am not sure).

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy105/elaphe420/IMG_3083_zpshrdwe5gz.jpg


Roman

[Ian of Oldham]

The great pics just keep coming

2 Royals 1 Corn 1 Boa and a new rescue Carpet O and a mad Cat

[SWDK]

The Gonyosoma is roughly 4.5' and the Spilotes is roughly 6'. They're both quite slender so I'll need to fatten them up just a bit.