keep it PG!!

[snakemann87]

after walking in my room and finding these two, i had to have a loooooong talk to the both of them

http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1431zeusathena1-med.jpg

P.S.- they aren't housed together, had to say "after walking into my room" to make the post good, lol. :)

[PoiSoNouS]

how cute.. take this kind of pict in 2 years with the same snake.. lol ;)

[snakemann87]

lol, he wouldnt fit, lol, well at least 1/4 would.

[The_Omen]

Two replys so far and neither one says 'Letting the two very different species co-mingle together is NOT a very bright idea.

The two species being from different parts of the world, do have a naturally occuring set of their own specific virus and bacteria which can get the other sick or very possibly kill them.

This is exactly the type of thing that causes so many mystery illnesses from pet store animals.

I seem to recall a pic somewhere on here where ya had them housed together also.
Same thing, Bad Idea.

You really need to pay attention to the good advice you find rather than doing what you wish with the animals.

[Snakey Acres]

Oh man lighten up ! The animals are both in the same collection so any risk of disease isn't worth mentioning.I don't know of anyone that keeps multiple herps that strictly quarantines them at all times.

[eyespy]

Actually, Snakey Acres, nosocomial infection is a leading cause of herp death on necropsies. NI is when species pick up bacterial or viral infections from seemingly healthy housemates and are immunologically unequipped to fight it off.

I speak from 15 years experience as a veterinary surgical tech. Mixing species can kill! Hygiene and quarantine are hallmarks of a true herper. I know hundreds of people that follow these protocols religiously.

[ReptiZone]

I agree with you guys' housing regulations and quarantine but one must think that when a serious illness comes in a collection from snake to snake being put together..its normally when youd have very healthy captive breds (ball python, burmese python and columbian boa) and then had all of them in a group pic with a wild caught emerald tree boa. thats when it gets dangerous. all the captive breds have been under quarantine all their life..theres almost no chance that they have *serious diseases*. so when they are put together it doesnt make much of a difference.

Nice pic by the way snakeman87! I know both your snakes were both captive bred..thats why im not complaining! lol plus its just a lil pic!

chondro python :cool:

[marisa]

Chondro Python I think you are thinking of disease that is normal in wild caught animals and others...like say parasites. Things that are treatable at the vet or show up.

What I think they are talking about is the naturally occuring things inside each species that they can handle and normally go unnoticed throughout life, but another species does not naturally carry hence the reason they can get sick.

Although I could be wrong.

Marisa

[rethius]

Agreed with THe Omen. Mixing is NEVER a good Idea, I'm too lazy to tell why, If you really want to know MY reason, e-mail me in the day!!

[Dom]

Especially when U are talking about mixing a boa with a pythn.. many boas can harbour different things tat will remain dormant but in pythons can severly harm them or kill em...

[snakemann87]

when you guys say "mixing" if your thinking of housing together im not, and they were there for less than 2 minutes chill out, i know the precautions.And both were CB and taken to the vets and very healthy.

[The_Omen]

after walking in my room and finding these two

Strange that there are inconsistancies in the story.


and they were there for less than 2 minutes chill out,

Which is it?
You walked into your room and found them or you placed one into the others cage?

Very nice pics of them in the cage together in more than one pic.

Look closely in the top left hand corner, see the substrate?
http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/1431zeusathena1-med.jpg

Look on the back wall to the right, you will see the boa in with the python.

http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL131/780296/1370089/20572688.jpg

Another one showing clearly that there is a boa and a python together.
http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL131/780296/1370089/20572678.jpg

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, must be a duck!

[The_Omen]

Another problem , besides the cross-contamination, is that boas and pythons have different temperature and humidity requirements.

Also, if the boa was ever exposed to any others that have had IBD, and it does develop fully, then chances are that the pythons will die quickly.

Many breeders use, or used to use, BPs as their test for the prescence of IBD in the boas as the BP would quickly die in the event that the boas carried it.

You have two snakes that are from different parts of the world that have different care needs.

Not to mention, if any of the breeders were feeding live or prekilled, the chances of parasitic contamination is greatly increased in the collection.

Way too many probs with them living together.
If you can't afford to house and care for them properly, perhaps another hobby would be best for you.

[tightsqueeze]

"MY OPINION"

MAN YOU ALL NEED TO CHILL RIGHT OUT READ WHAT HE WROTE

"THERE NOT HOUSED TOGETHER"

IF YOU HAVE ISSUES ABOUT PEOPLE HOUSING THERE DIFERENT SNAKES TOGETHER, FIND SOMEONE WHO ACCUALY HAS THEM TOGETHER ....


MAN YOU ALL NEED TO RELAX "CHILL OUT "
(sorry for the caps , i wasn't paying attention and didn't ralize it was onand im to lazy to re-type)

jay
p.s. The_Omen: a few pictures in NOT grounds for accusations unless you see these snakes on a regular basis housed together.

i am not trying to start a fight i am only expressing my "OPINION" just like everyone else...i could go take a bunch of pictures of my snakes together for display perposes etc.. it does not mean they live together....

[The_Omen]

I did read what he wrote.

after walking in my room and finding these two


Funny how he has boas and pythons but only pics of ONE cage that they are in on pretty much different pics on different days.

He is violating all quarentine protocol with them in the water tub together also, no matter what.

It has been proven time after time in the past and many others here seem to agree with that.

Quarentine works ONLY when followed religiously.

This means keeping the snakes separate for a time of 30 - 90 days,sometimes longer, forever except for breeding purposes is best, washing your hands between handling different snakes and many other standards.

I am trying to get snakemann to learn about the animals he has in order to prevent an unseen occurance, such as illness or death.

Maybe he and others can learn from it.

Afterall, even the worst books on the market say to not mix species for even a short time.


p.s. The_Omen: a few pictures in NOT grounds for accusations unless you see these snakes on a regular basis housed together.

I do believe I covered this already here.

I will add that althoutgh quite a few like to have pics of all their snakes together, how many pics have you seen of snakes together that were oddly ALL in the same enclosure?

Not many.
Most people get their snakes out and actually have them somewhere else, such as on the lawn, living room floor etc all due to not wanting to leave any nastys in the ones cage due to quarentine confines and protocols.
But with so many pics on different dates and such, then it appears as if the snakes ARE being housed together.

The ball and boa look awful comfortable to have just been placed there for a pic.
The burm and the boa also appear way to cozy to have been just dropped in for a pic which is also evident with the snakemanns own words -
after walking in my room and finding these two

Not this- I put these together for pics.

His own words gave it away, along with the pics.

Hopefully someone may get curious enough to ask even more questions about their snakes, quarentine times, transmittable diseases etc and learn that way instead of the hard way.

[norman]

Originally posted by snakemann87

P.S.- they aren't housed together, had to say "after walking into my room" to make the post good, lol. :)
this quote was from right underneath the pic on the first post.
BUT... i have to agree with what the omen is saying. they should not be bathing together, definetly not housed together, and the ball and the boa and the burm should all be kept in seperate enclosures and contact with the others should be avoided, especially seeing as those all look fairly young and probably havent been quaranteened long at all.

[norman]

Just try to be more carefull is all im saying...

[BurmBaroness]

Housing together or no, the fact that 2 different species of snakes are soaking together is disturbing to me. One snake poops, the water is contaminated, and so what if the vet "says" they are healthy? They each have specific bacterium that are totally normal for that species, but may be harmful to another species. And just because a vet "says" the snakes are healthy, IBD may not even be evident at all for 6 mos to a yr, and if it's carried and never manifested, you will never know the snake has it at all. That is, until other animals in your collection start to die off. The ONLY way you will know for sure if a snake has IBD is AFTER it is dead already, by having a necropsy done. Real smooth snakemann, I know you buddy, have caught you lying before. Don't do all these nice folks here like that. They just want to help. I see you still don't care as much for your animals as you wish every one to believe. And, by the way, I DO quarantine my new snakes, so maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't think so.

[ballpython5000]

i have seen hat he does not house the boa and bp together. the boa has it's own cage. as to the burm and bp together could be, but i dont know.

[snakemann87]

Hey The_Omen, read before you react. That is below my pictures.

Originally posted by snakemann87

P.S.- they aren't housed together, had to say "after walking into my room" to make the post good, lol. :)

[snakemann87]

to conclude this post which was ment to be humurous, none of my snakes are housed togehter, all the pictures, even my boa and ball python, were just put together for the pic.

[BurmBaroness]

Forgive me if I don't believe you, the "Boy who cried wolf" has cried it too many times...........

Water is a medium into which ANY bacteria can be transferred from one snake to another. Which is why when any snake I own gets soaked, the tote or bathtub is cleaned thoroughly with a 10% bleach solution. You "walked into your room and found them that way" ? Please..........

I'm sorry but I see nothing humorous in such blatant disregard for the well-being of your animals.

[snakemann87]

oh god read up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Originally posted by snakemann87

P.S.- they aren't housed together, had to say "after walking into my room" to make the post good, lol.

[snakemann87]

this post is starting to get rediculous, i think we should state oppinions, but some immature people(no names mentioned), have taken this to the chatting area, and when im away talking about it causing others to believe that i house my snakes together. Please can we end this, i took a pic like that of my ball python and my old corn snake, nothing happened to either of them, and i know that cause i know the person who owns my old corn.

[rethius]

IMMATURITY IS NOT THE ISSUE! PEOPLE ARE GIVING YOU ADVICE, YOU MAY BE NEW TO THE HOBBIE (AT 15 i WAS SORTA NEW) SO JUST AGREE! IF YOU WANT TO POST PICS, DO SO ONE ANIMAL AT A TIME. THIS WAY YOU DON'T GET SHAT ON!

[nouserpif]

Just leave him alone, I am sure he didn't mean to do any harm, and that no harm was done. The_Omen, grow up, and please don't make it a big deal. I can see you have a point, but you don't have to become a fanatic about it. I am sure SM87 wouldn't do anything increadibly stupid (purposly, he he), and he probably wouldn't put two animals together for a couple minutes after all these people spazed out at him.

Guys, cool down, grow up, and offer your advice on putting animals together in a mature way. No one wants to listen to you if you are being a jerk. Now you guys can stop buggin him, or I'l make Jeff delete the thread by saying "Weiner".

:D
Just my 2 cents plus tax.
Damn Conner

[ballpython5000]

>( Yeah guys this did get pretty immature. He knows he made a mistake, and he learned from it. He's only 15 he's still young, he has a lot of learning to do. But I feel that some people do take the quarantine issue too seriously. Its just good practice but you don't need to follow it religiously. Lets just hope that neither of the herps get sick.

[eyespy]

The thing is, you don't know that no harm was done. Once bacteria form a small colony inside a snake's body, it can live without causing any noticeable harm for months or even years. this is especially common in collections where the herps have been exposed to trace amounts of pathogens from other herps in the collection and the immune system now recognizes the bacteria as normal when really it can be deadly to that particular species. As long as the bacteria colony stays small enough, the snake's immune system just allows it to flourish.

Suddenly when the snake is stressed, too cold, is laying eggs, or has some other event which weakens its immune sytem the bacteria colony runs rampant and the snake sickens and dies within days. The only way you know what killed the snake is by doing a necropsy and culturing body tissues and fluids, then finding a pathogen which does not naturally occur in that species.

[ReptiZone]

I only have one question for all of you in your firs couple of years how many of you lost a reptile not wanting to(died)I was once told 60% of all pro herpers lost there first herp cause of stuff they oner looked I am one of thos 60% since then i vowed not to perchas a animal until I reserched it and you know what I still know NOTHING only what workes for the animals I have worked with.

At 15 god let him work let him screw up let him loose a animal (I dont think it will come to that) after all he isent a vegetable he needs CONSTRUCTIVE critasisume not DESTRUCTIVE.

I am not an angel not to long a go I came down hard on him for somthing stupid and you know what I appologised and I think that some of the above should do the same.
No names given but the adults in this herp sociaty and real herpes will re read this thread and find there mistakes
Chondro Python:cool:

[katev17]

Rethius: Chill bud, no need to yell. Some people haven't been giving him supportive criticism, some has been presumptuous and negative. I don't think you should be telling him to just agree with what people are saying, because nobody but him really knows the situation his snakes are in (Or maybe a few people who actually are aware, like bp5000). The point is that he doesn't need to just accept what's being told to him... I don't think people should just agree with what's being said, a lot of people could be making things up and lying. (I'm not saying you guys are though :p)

Anyway I do think that this is getting ridiculous... True he probably shouldn't have put them together, even if it were just for a photo op, but seriously, a lot of people jump to conclusions and make assumptions that just don't exist. If we're concerned about a situation, I think we should start asking questions before making accusations.

With that said I'm sure he's learned his lesson... and I've learned mine: Be careful what pictures you post! :p

Have a good day guys... hope everyone chills out.
Kate
:cool:

[snakemann87]

thanks katie, i hope things do also,

[Soleil]

I am sorry, I do realize that you all know what you're talking about, and that I, and many of us can learn a lot from all of you but............
This is a fifteen year old boy that you are talking to.....
who loves snakes.........
not some butcher who is maliciously plotting to hurt his animals.

We all make mistakes. I'm sure he has learned from this one.

By the way.....
those are beautiful animals Snakeman87!

Take care.
Soleil

[Lisa]

Best thing to do is learn from his mistake

[Dom]

...... I am baffled and don't even know how to reply...

Simply said.. There is a nice way to say things and a rude way to say them..

This is not the first time that Snakeman87 has been attacked by CHONDRO PYTHON, THE OMEN, RETHIUS and others..

Many have been previously warned regarding personal and offensive attacks.. Action will be taken as many warnings were sent out.

I agree that oppinions shoudl be stated.. but the delivery of your oppinion is the key ... PLZ Lets try to give REAL constructive critisism were everyone can learn from it instead of turning these threads into a soap opera..

Thanks to everyone who tried to put a good word in this thread

Dom

This thread is closed as i beleive it can only get worst from here.

[sSNAKESs.com]

They are both admins on another site in which snakeman was a member... Keep your own issues on your own sites, dont bring your BS here. If you want to attack people do it on your own forums.