Whats the Morph of my Spider Royal ?

[curious.boa.guy]

Just wondering what Morph my Spider Royal is.

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Thanks, Scott

[Minkness]

Looks like a normal. Spider is it's own morph and one of the more distinct paterns.

Still a beauty though!

[sam]

What Minkness said.

Ask yourself this, does that snake look like this:
http://www.for-goodness-snakes.com/images/ball_spider2.jpg



or:

http://s30.postimg.org/4nlpohma9/Ball_python_lucy.jpg

Just some food for thought.



Credit to www.for-goodness-snakes.com (http://www.for-goodness-snakes.com/collection.html) for image #1
Credit to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_python#/media/File:Ball_python_lucy.JPG for image #2

[trailblazer295]

I'm a morph newbie but looks kinda dark for a normal.

[Herpo]

Nah, I think it's a normal. A good looking one at that though!

[curious.boa.guy]

i was tinking he looked a little dark to be a normal and his yellow pops out after he sheds so i was thinking he might not be a normal spider but im not going to disagree with you guys :D

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[Albert Clark]

He looks like a exceptionally but oddly patterned normal which puts him in the class known as "dinkers". Congrats! Your best line of action would be to breed him to another normal and see what gets produced or what hidden gene or trait he may be carrying. Good luck. He really is a nice looking guy. With the high yellow and reduced pattern he might surprise everyone.

[RAD House]

i was tinking he looked a little dark to be a normal and his yellow pops out after he sheds so i was thinking he might not be a normal spider but im not going to disagree with you guys :D

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The spider gene completely changes the pattern so yours is definitely not that. There are quite a few very subtle gene mutations so there is a small chance your ball is something different. As Albert said, without knowing the heritage, the only way to know would be to prove out heritability by breeding.

[Aaron_S]

He looks like a exceptionally but oddly patterned normal which puts him in the class known as "dinkers". Congrats! Your best line of action would be to breed him to another normal and see what gets produced or what hidden gene or trait he may be carrying. Good luck. He really is a nice looking guy. With the high yellow and reduced pattern he might surprise everyone.

I'm not picking on you by any means I just thought it would be a good teachable moment.

Dinker is a fairly new term for when people thought a snake had a genetic trait and would then breed it.

In this case if he wants to prove it out it's better to pick something with similar traits than a normal. I would recommend something like pastel as it looks like a black pastel-ish so you'd see the pewters pretty quick. A super pastel would be cool.

Or an ivory to see if it fits into the YB complex.

[Albert Clark]

I can see that. Then we also should seek out the parents of this animal as well. If possible, and we could go back that far ( which isn't out of the realm) we need the seller or breeder to qualify the grandparents of said individual. So, parentage and grandparentage might yield a clue to the hidden ( if any) genetics. I was thinking a known normal would be a good pairing ( with this individual) to express the color and pattern variation here. And the reduced pattern is more apparent laterally and not dorsally. The dorsal seems to be where the pattern and coloration become atypical for a normal.

[curious.boa.guy]

so do i have a spider morph then ? haha :) im a little confused, im just starting to learn these things

[Minkness]

No, you have a normal.

[RAD House]

I think the confusion is that you think a normal ball python is the same as a spider. A normal ball python is what you have and a spider ball python is a completely different looking animal. The first picture sam posted is a spider ball python.

[curious.boa.guy]

i was sold the python as a spider so thats why i got confused

[Minkness]

Dang, someone played you. =(

[Zelg]

Definitely were lied to. I hope you didnt pay any special price for a morph. That said, I have a beautiful normal and love his pattern.

[dannybgoode]

' Normal' morphs are the best imo anyway and that is one good looking snake. Are you sure you weren't sold out as a normal + het spider for eg?

All the terminology around morphs is terribly confusing...

[yeloowtang]

there's no such thing as a HET spider !!! spider gene is not recesive. he has a nice snake but with absolutely zero spider in it.
ex: of recesive genes would be albino or pied, where in order to get a visual both snakes need to have the genes, either visual + visual for 100% all visual babies or visual to het for a 50/50 chance, then the ones that aren't visuals are hets..
you can also go het to het but this complicates things for babies since you have no way of knowing which is which.

the only possible real mistake would be that the seller is a total newbie that matched up a spider and a normal , he may be clueless that he gets normals and spiders.
or
he got lied to for $$

as long as he's happy with his snake, that's what counts :-)

[sam]

Damn boa guy, thats gotta suck.

[dannybgoode]

@yeloowtang-i did wonder that. I'm not at all versed with morphs being a fan of beauty as nature intended when it comes to snakes.

Thanks for the correction...

[curious.boa.guy]

sorry for the late reply but would like to say thanks to all the comments enlightening me haha and no dannybgoode i got him for only £25 which i conside a bargain