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PatrickT
01-07-16, 03:45 PM
Do you know any massive looking species in this genera?

SnoopySnake
01-07-16, 03:57 PM
Drymarchon are generally a good size.

Jim Smith
01-07-16, 03:59 PM
Eastern Indigo snake (Drymarchon couperi) comes to mind. The record is 2.8 meters long with many specimens reaching 2.3 meters. Males are slightly larger than females and they are heavy bodies beautiful snakes. They are illegal to own without a permit in the Eastern US where they are native to. They are available, but they are not cheap.

Minkness
01-07-16, 04:03 PM
Could look into some cribos or beaut snakes. I hear some getting as big as 9-10 feet. I have no real knowledge though. =)

PatrickT
01-07-16, 04:03 PM
hard to get over here :(

PatrickT
01-07-16, 04:04 PM
Drymarchon are awesome but as i said hard to get over here

Tiny Boidae
01-07-16, 04:10 PM
Your best bet is to look off of Kingsnake's classified ads, as some interesting specimens can pop up. I also don't know what you consider "massive" regarding length and weight, but I'll spitball a few to give you examples.

Blue Beauty (Or most other beauty snakes really)
130-250 CM ; Very active so requires larger enclosure
https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M87999f4700e50c55b16f447c21e44dd8o0&w=267&h=172&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.1

Tiger Rat Snake
240-300 CM
http://whozoo.org/Anlife2001/jeffcate/tiger5.jpg

Bull Snake
90-210 CM Depending on subspecies ; Bulkier
http://www.sunshineserpents.com/images/Other%20Colubrids/Kankakee%20Bull%20Snake/Pituophis_catenifer_sayi_KankakeeIL_6-4-11_Subad_male_A1_web.jpg

King Rat Snake (AKA "The Stinking Goddess")
150-175 CM
http://www.ratsnakes.com/images/Ecarinata.jpg

Ridley's Cave Racer (Or any racer/coachwhip really)
Up to 240 CM ; A lot of racers/coachwhips tend to have an attitude problem
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1d568bbb68c62c5fdf422a114679a926o0&w=135&h=105&c=7&rs=1&qlt=90&pid=3.1&rm=2

That's just a sampling of what's probably out there, you'll just have to do some searching for a species you like. Colubrids are a pretty diverse group of snake, and often I'll hear of them being referred to as the "trash bin" of snakes as anything that doesn't fit anywhere else, often gets sorted into this group. That means that there is A LOT of diversity, so just look around.

Wingbeats
01-07-16, 04:52 PM
I read that black milk snakes can get pretty sizable.

reptiledude987
01-07-16, 05:27 PM
A mussurana may be an option as well. they are a rear fanged species but not medically significant as far as toxicity goes. adults can reach up to 2.4m in lenght. Also should be fairly easy to find in Europe.

Nightflight99
01-07-16, 08:05 PM
There are nearly 2,000 colubrid species, so your selection is massive. Of course, only a small fraction of those is readily available in the trade. Tiny Boidae made some good suggestions of species that are pretty common in both the U.S. and the European trade. However, Kingsnake.com is probably not going to be much help, considering that it is almost exclusively representative of the U.S. market, and not much utilized by European sellers.

With such a massive amount of diversity to pick from, perhaps it would be wise to narrow it down using some additional preferences. Do you prefer a strictly terrestrial species or at least somewhat arboreal? Diurnal or nocturnal activity patterns? High vs. medium level of activity? Price constraints? Answering those questions might lead you closer to your species of choice.

sirtalis
01-07-16, 08:44 PM
Probably an idigo snake for size, but for looks and some size a king rat, correct me if i'm wrong but I think eastern indigos are the largest colubrid

sirtalis
01-07-16, 08:44 PM
Mangrove snake get pretty large, they are rear fanged though...

PatrickT
01-08-16, 12:58 AM
nothing venomous please. ;)

I mean something really bulky and massive. Drymarchon fit this exactly but are very hard to get in germany.

Tsubaki
01-08-16, 01:07 AM
My male bullsnake is longer and thicker than my adult dwarf boa male.. Almost as thick as my wrist, females get even bigger. They're available around here, also beauty snakes are quite large for slender snakes.

SerpentineDream
01-08-16, 06:04 AM
Russian rat snakes and black milk snakes are good-sized animals with nice dispositions. They are around 6 feet, give or take a little, and hefty. They need large enclosures. I've also been looking at 100 flower rat snakes, which are beautiful and slender but get up to 8 feet. Their temperaments are variable though and WC specimens tend to be loaded with internal parasites.

IW17
01-08-16, 06:30 AM
Indigo and cribo are going to be the largest length and girth I can think of. Bull snakes can get quite big as well but that's not always the case. Most species I could offer would be mildly venomous. False water cobra, giant Asian keel back, and a few others come to mind.

EL Ziggy
01-08-16, 06:55 AM
I think that an Eastern Indigo is the ultimate choice as well, but if that's not an option a bull snake would be nice too. They're not massive but they're impressive. My 2 y/o female is close to 7ft and about as wide as my wrist. My 18 m/o male is almost 5ft. They have some great morphs, the husbandry is really simple, and they eat like monsters.

eminart
01-08-16, 03:27 PM
All of the Drymarchon genus is large. The eastern indigo is average for the genus. Some are larger.

Some of the old world rat snakes are very large. Check out this keeled rat snake: http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-colubrid-forum/109488-big-colubrids-my-favorite.html

Humble308
01-08-16, 04:16 PM
All of the Drymarchon genus is large. The eastern indigo is average for the genus. Some are larger.

Some of the old world rat snakes are very large. Check out this keeled rat snake: http://www.ssnakess.com/forums/general-colubrid-forum/109488-big-colubrids-my-favorite.html

I watched this video the other day and was just blown away! That size is about on the verge of me being comfortable to handle, but they're certainly beautiful snakes. I've gotta say that the host is also very knowledgeable and the video has some great production value. As much as I like SnakeBytes TV their goofy antics drove me away, nice to see another guy on youtube.

Sasha2
01-08-16, 04:19 PM
Bullsnakes are quite impressive. The petstore has one that is at least 8ft and as big around as a pop can.He is way bigger then my adult jungle carpet python.

eminart
01-08-16, 06:36 PM
I watched this video the other day and was just blown away! That size is about on the verge of me being comfortable to handle, but they're certainly beautiful snakes. I've gotta say that the host is also very knowledgeable and the video has some great production value. As much as I like SnakeBytes TV their goofy antics drove me away, nice to see another guy on youtube.

Yeah, I like his videos. But you should give snakebytes another chance. They went away from the goofy stuff a while ago.

Akuma223
01-08-16, 10:09 PM
Yeah, I like his videos. But you should give snakebytes another chance. They went away from the goofy stuff a while ago.

Yeah the show has become much more serious and I personally really like it. As long as they keep "chewy" off the show and don't to childish crap I'll keep loving it. Can't stand their old videos.

Bandit
01-08-16, 10:31 PM
Bull snakes will get big and are fairly easy to get a hold on. We just had one at work pass away who was old and a little over 7ft.

A friend of mine has a pair of Tiger rat snakes who are also fairly large. One is over 7' and the other is well over 8' if I recall correctly

pet_snake_78
01-09-16, 02:02 PM
King rats or Cribos would be my choice. I would assume both are common in Europe or could be sent to Germany for a reasonable price.

Minkness
01-09-16, 03:27 PM
Yeah the show has become much more serious and I personally really like it. As long as they keep "chewy" off the show and don't to childish crap I'll keep loving it. Can't stand their old videos.

Agreed! Brian is great, but Chewy is aweful. Its people like him that make people afraid of snakes. =/

Also, I was watching a show calles 'Rude Tube' which is some brittish comedy show about people being stupid.....and thwy had Chewy on there. I cringed and groaned and went "oh no...not HIM!" And my mom was like "you know him?" And I had to wxplaine to her why my reaction was so negative. =/

I already struggle with my mom accepting my snakes....the last thing I need is her seeing a 6foot something grown man whaling like a baby because he got bit by a king snake x.x

And to add to the insult of his childish, dramatic antics...the bite ahot they played was him getting bit on the nipple....swriously? Uhg...

But yes....snakebytes and animalbytes has gotten WAY better and are really great to watch now. =)

Slithersaurus
01-13-16, 10:56 AM
Ptyas carinata, the keeled rat snake is currently holding the longest record, if I remember collectly, with a specimen of almost 4 metres long used to be found.

http://kamikazereptile.com/Ptyas%20carinata%20%281%291.jpg

http://www.chiangmaifishing.com/memory/board/p12032012204014.jpg

It's relative, the dhaman snake (Ptyas mucosus) is also big and some reach up more than 2.5 metres. It's my one of my favorite native colubrid.

https://hobbymonger.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/img_2066.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5454/8855674426_fa6af58acf.jpg


PS: Pictures from internet

prairiepanda
01-13-16, 11:42 AM
Pituophis lineaticollis get to pretty impressive sizes; around 2m and hefty for a colubrid. Common names include but aren't limited to Mexican lined pine snake, cincuate pine/gopher/bull snake, Cope's gopher snake, and Central American pine snake, so it tends to be easiest to stick to the scientific name when enquiring. They're known to be pretty temperamental, but can be extremely tame if you start working with them young.

Rats, kings, and milks can sometimes get long but tend to be super skinny. The asian beauties are probably the most common exception; whether it be the Taiwanese, Chinese, or Vietnamese beauties they tend to get to an impressive size.

That's about all I can think of since Drymarchon aren't an option.