bigsnakegirl785
08-29-15, 04:03 PM
My ball python's terrible feeding habits over the past 3 years has me coming to a decision that maybe rehoming him to someone who has steady living may be the best thing to do for him if I can't get him to eat regularly again. I've had him almost 9 years, got him September 23, 2006 as a baby. The first 5-6 years I had him, he ate reliably, winter or summer, but when I made my first move fall of 2013 that's when his bad feeding has started.
The majority of his strikes seem stress-related, each strike has began each time I've moved or changed his enclosure, and once when he escaped his tub. The other two were when I was changing his food source. His longest fast was 8 months long, and shortest was 2 months.
I have feeding records of him since May 2013, and there's only 18 months where he's eaten at least once a month (he gets fed biweekly). Before I began my records, he'd been through 1-2 fasts as well and had lost a noticeable amount of weight. His current fast has been 97 days long, and he's lost at least 10% of his weight. All his other fasts he lost less than 10% of his weight after a 6-8 month fasting period, so the fact he's already lost that much after maybe 3 months is worrying me. He doesn't seem to be holding onto weight as well as he used to, which could be because he's refused so much food over the past 3 years. He's the lightest weight he's ever been recorded at since I began taking his weight in July 2013 (he was 1277 grams at the end of his fast).
He's been to the vet and doesn't have any illnesses or parasites that they can tell. It's been a year or two, so I could take him again and get him tested but I doubt there's any differences. He's eating a bit better now than when I was taking him to the vet.
Right now, I'm thinking of just caving in and getting a few live mice and/or a live rat and see if he'll eat them next week. I'd wait longer, but he's losing weight faster than I've seen him do in the past. He gains weight quickly when he does eat as well, taking only 2-3 months to get back up to regular weight and then he holds steady.
My main problem is we still plan on moving in the next 2-3 weeks, we're just waiting on word that our background check went through. Then in the next 5 years we hope to move out of state if possible, or at least buy a house in-state to live in permanently. I've already moved twice in 3 years, and Bud is the only snake that has been affected by me moving. All the other snakes either haven't been affected by the big moves (Cloud and Draco), or haven't shown sensitivity to the usually big stress events like shipping and thus I have a reasonable guess that future moves won't bother them as long as there's a decent amount of time between them (Demigod and Sanji for shipping and River and Nymeria for long car rides).
He ate for 9 months in the current set up he's been in, all through the winter, spring, and part of summer. Nothing about his husbandry or set up has changed at all, he began refusing food after I offered him a rat after eating mice for 8 months. He ate a rat once, after eating a mouse first, but after that he's turned his nose up at both mice and rats. At times he shows interest, he'll stick his head out and flick his tongue when I tap it on the ground outside his hide, but beyond inspecting it he won't do anything. He'll even push his nose up against it in its fur, then turn around and go back into his hide and refuse to come back out. Other times, he'll start roaming when he smells the food, but completely ignore the rat/mouse and climb right out of his tub as soon as I lift a corner.
If he doesn't take live, I don't know what else to do, I know I can get him eating again eventually that's not a problem, but I don't know how long he'll eat before he refuses again. If this was just a once a year thing, for a few months, that would be one thing, but he goes on fasts multiple times a year with differing lengths. They do seem stress-related, which means I basically have to step on egg-shells to keep him eating, which makes it harder to keep him eating because he's so sensitive.
I do not handle him at all anymore, only to do cage maintain, and he's allowed to sit curled up in a hide while I do my work. That seems to be really helping to get him to eat reliably, but doesn't stop all his fasts.
So now I need to decide if I want to find him a home with a more experienced ball python owner, where maybe his stress won't be triggered as much, or if I should wait a few years and see if he'll go back to normal when I'm no longer moving around. I want what's best for him.
Temps and humidity are the same they've been for 3-4 years, since I began actually monitoring my snakes' husbandry: 85-90F hot spot, 80F cool end during summer and 75F cool end during the winter and 50-65% humidity. His bedding is the same as well. I measure temps both on the surface with a temp gun and just above the bedding with a thermometer/stat probe. Humidity is measured only on the cool end, from just above the bedding to 1/2" off the bedding to ensure it's far enough away from the bedding to get the humidity in the air. I also measure his body surface temp at his head, belly, and back with the temp gun. So I'm 99.99% sure everything's accurate, all his fasts seem stress-related only, with only a few being related to food source changes, I have no reason to suspect it's husbandry-related atm.
The majority of his strikes seem stress-related, each strike has began each time I've moved or changed his enclosure, and once when he escaped his tub. The other two were when I was changing his food source. His longest fast was 8 months long, and shortest was 2 months.
I have feeding records of him since May 2013, and there's only 18 months where he's eaten at least once a month (he gets fed biweekly). Before I began my records, he'd been through 1-2 fasts as well and had lost a noticeable amount of weight. His current fast has been 97 days long, and he's lost at least 10% of his weight. All his other fasts he lost less than 10% of his weight after a 6-8 month fasting period, so the fact he's already lost that much after maybe 3 months is worrying me. He doesn't seem to be holding onto weight as well as he used to, which could be because he's refused so much food over the past 3 years. He's the lightest weight he's ever been recorded at since I began taking his weight in July 2013 (he was 1277 grams at the end of his fast).
He's been to the vet and doesn't have any illnesses or parasites that they can tell. It's been a year or two, so I could take him again and get him tested but I doubt there's any differences. He's eating a bit better now than when I was taking him to the vet.
Right now, I'm thinking of just caving in and getting a few live mice and/or a live rat and see if he'll eat them next week. I'd wait longer, but he's losing weight faster than I've seen him do in the past. He gains weight quickly when he does eat as well, taking only 2-3 months to get back up to regular weight and then he holds steady.
My main problem is we still plan on moving in the next 2-3 weeks, we're just waiting on word that our background check went through. Then in the next 5 years we hope to move out of state if possible, or at least buy a house in-state to live in permanently. I've already moved twice in 3 years, and Bud is the only snake that has been affected by me moving. All the other snakes either haven't been affected by the big moves (Cloud and Draco), or haven't shown sensitivity to the usually big stress events like shipping and thus I have a reasonable guess that future moves won't bother them as long as there's a decent amount of time between them (Demigod and Sanji for shipping and River and Nymeria for long car rides).
He ate for 9 months in the current set up he's been in, all through the winter, spring, and part of summer. Nothing about his husbandry or set up has changed at all, he began refusing food after I offered him a rat after eating mice for 8 months. He ate a rat once, after eating a mouse first, but after that he's turned his nose up at both mice and rats. At times he shows interest, he'll stick his head out and flick his tongue when I tap it on the ground outside his hide, but beyond inspecting it he won't do anything. He'll even push his nose up against it in its fur, then turn around and go back into his hide and refuse to come back out. Other times, he'll start roaming when he smells the food, but completely ignore the rat/mouse and climb right out of his tub as soon as I lift a corner.
If he doesn't take live, I don't know what else to do, I know I can get him eating again eventually that's not a problem, but I don't know how long he'll eat before he refuses again. If this was just a once a year thing, for a few months, that would be one thing, but he goes on fasts multiple times a year with differing lengths. They do seem stress-related, which means I basically have to step on egg-shells to keep him eating, which makes it harder to keep him eating because he's so sensitive.
I do not handle him at all anymore, only to do cage maintain, and he's allowed to sit curled up in a hide while I do my work. That seems to be really helping to get him to eat reliably, but doesn't stop all his fasts.
So now I need to decide if I want to find him a home with a more experienced ball python owner, where maybe his stress won't be triggered as much, or if I should wait a few years and see if he'll go back to normal when I'm no longer moving around. I want what's best for him.
Temps and humidity are the same they've been for 3-4 years, since I began actually monitoring my snakes' husbandry: 85-90F hot spot, 80F cool end during summer and 75F cool end during the winter and 50-65% humidity. His bedding is the same as well. I measure temps both on the surface with a temp gun and just above the bedding with a thermometer/stat probe. Humidity is measured only on the cool end, from just above the bedding to 1/2" off the bedding to ensure it's far enough away from the bedding to get the humidity in the air. I also measure his body surface temp at his head, belly, and back with the temp gun. So I'm 99.99% sure everything's accurate, all his fasts seem stress-related only, with only a few being related to food source changes, I have no reason to suspect it's husbandry-related atm.