Colubrid Hybrids

[DDW]

Mostly king, milk, and corns. Opinions? Difference in care? Any experience? Favorites? (I'm not looking to breed, just to keep. I know the bit about mudding blood lines etc I know that is a touchy issue but the blood line thing aside, your opinion and experience would be helpful. Also temperment?

[Minkness]

I think they can make some REALLY pretty colors and patterns. However, they can make some ugly ones too. I have nothing against mixing the blood lines so long as the breeders are truthful about it and keep it well documented.

[DDW]

I was just looking at some of them and they are so cool looking.

But I e found nothing that note size of possible size or noted size of known adult hybrids. I'm curious and want to know how big they typically get as well. I mean, the places that sell the that I've seen don't even mention that a particular snake could get however big as let's say a king but also could stay as small as a corn or milk.

[Minkness]

It's a risk you have to take with any hybrid really. Even in mammals, like all the poodle crosses, not all the puppies will be hypoallergenic, or have the poodle personality. They may not even get the poodle hair at all. So the best thing to do is to be willing to adapt as you go to the needs of the snake. Start with appropriate sized enclosure and be willing to upgrade to as large as you need to. Watch the health and habbits of the snake. It it spends all its time in the warm hide, probably means the ambient temps need to be bumped up. Apends all its time on the cool side, try lowering the ambiemt temps. Has a bad shed, bump up the humidity. So on and so on.

[EL Ziggy]

I've seen some beautiful colubrid hybrids. Some of the Imperial Pueblans and Jungle Corns are gorgeous. I agree with Mink as long as they're advertised as hybrids and well cared for I don't have an issue with them. I think the basic care requirements would be the same as other kings, milks, and corns. I've seen a few nice ones on ks.com and on the website linked below.

Mesozoic Reptiles - Hybrid Snakes & Bearded Dragons (http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/)

[DDW]

Makes sense. If I did go hybrid (which is unlikely) I don't think I'd go with a cross with different needs.

I do want to hear from anyone with experience with any hybrid though. I also noticed that prices for the hybrids are only slightly more that regular prices unless really special crosses.

I was cruising some of fauna classifieds and I want to snag an albino cali kingv-v I must resist... I must...resist.....I must....."is this one still avaliable?" ... must... "yes" ... but... "sorry, plans have changed. I can't get him. Good luck" ............ *the dark side* "resistance is futile...." *me*"I know..."

[DDW]

I was just cruising that second link before posting this lol. They have a lot to offer I think.
I'm liking those albino jungles.

[Obsidian_Dragon]

I've met a king/corn hybrid who was a hoot--at the reptile show he kept leeeeaning off the branch he was on towards passerby. "Heeeeey. Over here. Heeeeeey!"

No idea what particular king or what corn morph was crossed, though.

[DDW]

I would love a snake like that lol. As I get used to handling my little Glitch, I'm looking more at kings as the next "handling speed" but a corn/king (which I've seen so far being called jungles) would be a good next step as well.

I hope to be visiting more expos and I hope to find more people around me that keeps snakes (or possibly breeds them) but it's hard to find breeders in the area that advertises.

[Minkness]

I still highly suggest hoggies. ^_^

All of mine are the perfect amount of active, so far have been great eaters (even the sick rescues!), are out of their hides alot, and have neat patterns, colors, and personalities. Since you like yellow, you could look at at an albino. Mine has a gorgous lemony base with darjer yellow spots that are edged in pale orange or pink blushing depending on the light. =)

I normally hate anything with red eyes, but now I have 2 red eyed types. My albino and my extreme red.

[RAD House]

I own an Imperial Pueblan milk snake and from what I have read of cal kings and pueblan milk snakes, he is very much like his Pueblan relatives. For this particular hybrid I have read that they mostly follow this lineage in both size and temperament. This is likely due to the fact that they are 75% Pueblan and 25% king. He is a quite a stunning snake but also pretty secretive and flighty.

[DDW]

You have been steadily turning me to love hoggies Mink, though I don't really care for any other morphs than the albino (I've loved albino animals for as long as I can ember, I had an albino ferret as a kid) there is just something about a white animal with red eyes (or a black animal with blue eyes lol)

[DDW]

The imperial pueblan milks are pretty:)

[jjhill001]

Booooooo, hybrids=bad

[DDW]

Booooooo, hybrids=bad

Why exactly do you not like hybrids? (Other than "mudding up bloodlines" stuff, which I already know about)

[prairiepanda]

When it comes to colubrid hybrids, king x milk crosses seem to be good looking way more often than any other hybrid. And they can get some really funky patterns going. Adding corns to the mix usually just makes odd-looking corns. You get more colour variation with king/milk crosses than with corn crosses too; probably because kings and milks are more closely related genetically and have more compatible morph genes.

[DDW]

I didn't think of that before but it makes complete sense:) they get some really nice patterns:)

[SSSSnakes]

Here is a Jungle Corn that was a rescue. When I received it, it was blind. Don't know if it had anything to do with it being a hybrid.

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr115/JerryTheSnakeman/DSCF5304.jpg (http://s475.photobucket.com/user/JerryTheSnakeman/media/DSCF5304.jpg.html)

[DDW]

It's great to see rescues going to good homes. Especially animals that are not commonly accepted:)

[prairiepanda]

No king, milk, or corn blood in this one, but I like it a lot:
http://slitherbriggs.webs.com/Hayward%20and%202013%20hatched%20bull%20snakes%201 43.jpg

It's a Pituophis catenifer sayi x Pituophis deppei jani (bull snake X north Mexican pine snake). Not my photo. But it's another example of how nice hybrids between two very closely related species can turn out. It's interesting to see how the markings were affected by the different influences from each parent.

[toddnbecka]

IMO hybrids are fine if that's what you like, my personal fave is the Borneo bateater, but I have no plans to keep one myself. Too many snakes already on my wish list, have to draw the line somewhere... lol.

[DDW]

prairiepanda that is pretty :)

[Aaron_S]

It's tough to answer some questions only because there's quite a few hybrids.

Also, some do occur naturally and those are called intergrades.

Hybrids are pretty. I only refuse to deal eith them on the "bloodlines" argument.

One thing we don't know is the long term affects of some hybrids. If it shortens life expectancy or anything else since no one does actual medical tests on these animals.

[RAD House]

I my opinion the bloodlines argument is ridiculous expect for in very specific cases. There is a reasonable amount of risk of escape in any snake keeping situation. Whether it be from negligence, faulty material, or other unseen factors like tiny prying hands. By bringing in a non native animal you are running the risk of harming the native populations. This can be further applied all the way down to specific locales. This is the only reason there is a need to keep "pure bloodlines", otherwise it is a entirely selfish venture. Unless you are keeping a local population and only breeding them to other local animals with the intension of maybe one day releasing back into the wild to save a disappearing animal, then pure bloodlines are a matter of preference.

[Aaron_S]

I my opinion the bloodlines argument is ridiculous expect for in very specific cases. There is a reasonable amount of risk of escape in any snake keeping situation. Whether it be from negligence, faulty material, or other unseen factors like tiny prying hands. By bringing in a non native animal you are running the risk of harming the native populations. This can be further applied all the way down to specific locales. This is the only reason there is a need to keep "pure bloodlines", otherwise it is a entirely selfish venture. Unless you are keeping a local population and only breeding them to other local animals with the intension of maybe one day releasing back into the wild to save a disappearing animal, then pure bloodlines are a matter of preference.

And that's why I said it's ny personal reason.

It is my preference to work with as pure as possible. Unfortunately I can't trust most people so unless I can trace the heritage back to the importation then I presume it's unpure.

[eminart]

I'm not a fan. But, to each, his own, I guess. As long as people who have them are VERY careful about not mixing up the gene pool and not keeping track of what is happening.

In my opinion, there are just too many gorgeous, naturally occuring snakes out there to worry about weird hybrids. But, that's just me. I don't even like a lot of the morphs of non-hybrids.

[SnoopySnake]

I'm not a fan. But, to each, his own, I guess. As long as people who have them are VERY careful about not mixing up the gene pool and not keeping track of what is happening.

In my opinion, there are just too many gorgeous, naturally occurring snakes out there to worry about weird hybrids. But, that's just me. I don't even like a lot of the morphs of non-hybrids.

Agreed. There are a few hybrids I like, but they aren't produced enough to find one and I won't produce them myself since there's no guarantee that people won't resell them as pure.

[TxScarlet15]

My king Scarlet Rose is a hybrid, most likely Gray-banded to another king (most popular opinion from fellow forum members as well as a local herp guy I recently met). I'm continually amazed at her awesome personality and I love fawning at her beautiful pattern. Would I ever breed her? Heck no. I wouldn't want to even if I did know what she is. Although she is an incredible snake I don't encourage breeding, especially hybrids, unless the breeder seriously knows their stuff. And in general, although hybrids can make great crosses, I think it's unhealthy for species as a whole (being that it takes away the allure of purebred species) and, when done, should be done conservatively. This is just my own personal opinion and I apologize if anything came out weird, it's late and I need to go to bed :wacky:. However, all that said if someone were to offer me another hybrid similar to Scarlet I would most likely be hard pressed to say no :D. And a picture just because no good post is complete without one! (Although I wish I had a new pic to use....)
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[DDW]

I agree, there are some really nice hybrids but a lot more nice pure. I dont disapprove of hybrids as long as people would just be honest IMO. If it came down to it, I might buy a hybrid but only if I really like it, and I don't breed anything (well I might breed horses but that is for keeping as pets and off topic) I mean, I wouldn't breed anything the would have too many offspring for me to realisticly care for(no more than 2 or 3 babies)and I'd rather collect different kinds of snakes rather than breed things I already have. (Like I have a ball python, so I want to go for a boa, colubrid, or gecko next)