Genetics question!

[Minkness]

What would happen if I bred a lesserbee to a pinstripe?

Note: I have no plans on actually breeding, I just like to 'fantasize' sometimes but like to fantasize responsibly lol

[Aaron_S]

The best thing?
Lesser spinner.

Lots of other stuff would come out too.

[Albert Clark]

Not absolutely sure but you would have a 25% chance at normals ,25% chance at kingpin, 25% chance at lessers and 25% at pinstripes.

[FWK]

Minkness, fantasize away here (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/)! I do all the time lol. Genetics Wizards are awesome.

[Minkness]

Thanks FWK! I kike to check here too because of any possible genetic 'no-no's' like spider to spider or something.

[Aaron_S]

Not absolutely sure but you would have a 25% chance at normals ,25% chance at kingpin, 25% chance at lessers and 25% at pinstripes.

You're wrong.

You would have a chance at: 12.5% of each.
Normals
Lessers
Pinstripes
Spiders
Spider pinstripes
Lesser spiders
Lesser pinstripes
Lesser spider pinstripe

[Minkness]

Wow! Thanks Aaron!

Now...what if it's a lesserbeeXlesser? (No lesserbee on the genetics tester)

[Aaron_S]

Wow! Thanks Aaron!

Now...what if it's a lesserbeeXlesser? (No lesserbee on the genetics tester)

Slightly different and some different combos that result in some supers.

Normals
Lesser
spider
lesser spider
super lesser
super lesser spider

[prairiepanda]

Wow! Thanks Aaron!

Now...what if it's a lesserbeeXlesser? (No lesserbee on the genetics tester)

You can select multiple traits on the calculator by holding Ctrl while clicking on them. Lesserbee has lesser and spider, so if you select lesser and spider for one parent then it'll come up as lesserbee when you run it through. If you're not sure what "ingredients" are involved in a morph, you can look it up on the same site and look on the left hand side of the morph page to see which genes are in there.

[Albert Clark]

You can select multiple traits on the calculator by holding Ctrl while clicking on them. Lesserbee has lesser and spider, so if you select lesser and spider for one parent then it'll come up as lesserbee when you run it through. If you're not sure what "ingredients" are involved in a morph, you can look it up on the same site and look on the left hand side of the morph page to see which genes are in there.

Thank you for sharing that!

[lady_bug87]

Slightly different and some different combos that result in some supers.

Normals
Lesser
spider
lesser spider
super lesser
super lesser spider

Super lessers are BELs (just thought I'd add that)

[lady_bug87]

Genetic wizards are great but if you really want to learn how to get what you're better off just learning how the different genes work together

[Minkness]

Aren't super spiders lethal?

[sirtalis]

A super spider? I've never heard of that morph LOL

[sirtalis]

I think that you're thinking of a woma x woma

[lady_bug87]

Aren't super spiders lethal?

As far as I know yes. They die in the egg. You wouldn't get super spiders so its fine :p

[lady_bug87]

A super spider? I've never heard of that morph LOL

Ooo you shouldn't laugh when you're wrong... :p

[sirtalis]

Sorry, my bad lol I'm only 16 :p, from my limited amount of research, I always have read that each egg from a spider x spider pairing would have a 3/4 chance at spider and a 1/4 chance at normal. I'm glad you corrected me, I was just basing my info off the calculator.

[lady_bug87]

I didn't know until recently so it's fine. Spider x spider will give you

Normals
Spider
super spider (lethal)

To be honest I don't think any one really counts the super spider because they hardly even develop.

[REM955]

Is there a conclusive reason that a super spider dies in egg?

[Aaron_S]

Is there a conclusive reason that a super spider dies in egg?

Genetics bro.

[REM955]

I was thinking more specifically, like a certain organ or system didn't develop properly.

[Aaron_S]

I was thinking more specifically, like a certain organ or system didn't develop properly.

Nobody has studied the embryotic deaths. Eggs just die and don't develop so also not really a chance to see what had happened.

The combination simply kills the embryo for whatever reason.

[sirtalis]

Like a woma x woma? Do you guys know if it dies at the embryonic stage, or in a more developed form? And, has anyone ever seen the pattern on a dead snake that they removed from the egg?

[SnoopySnake]

I find it interesting that super spider is lethal and spider has a wobble, and jag x jag is lethal and also has a wobble... what else has issues and a lethal super form?

[sirtalis]

Woma BP morph

[Albert Clark]

I was thinking more specifically, like a certain organ or system didn't develop properly.

Probably centers in the central nervous system of the animal. IMO, that would be a logical location for the pathology. The brain most likely never forms or is severely underdeveloped thus causing the egg to never progress. The spider wobble is a indication that the issue is seated in the central nervous system which comprises the brain and spinal cord.

[prairiepanda]

Probably centers in the central nervous system of the animal. IMO, that would be a logical location for the pathology. The brain most likely never forms or is severely underdeveloped thus causing the egg to never progress. The spider wobble is a indication that the issue is seated in the central nervous system which comprises the brain and spinal cord.

Are we sure wobbles are a nervous issue and not an inner ear issue?

[Aaron_S]

Like a woma x woma? Do you guys know if it dies at the embryonic stage, or in a more developed form? And, has anyone ever seen the pattern on a dead snake that they removed from the egg?

Nobody pays any attention to the pattern on snakes that don't develop properly. The reason being that colour and pattern develop late and many times when eggs die near the end the babies have really wild patterns. None of it is genetic or matter except for a "cool" factor.

[Albert Clark]

Are we sure wobbles are a nervous issue and not an inner ear issue?

No, not absolutely sure, but its kind of clear the senses are controlled by the brain and its the affector and effector neurons that relay messages back and forth to be interpreted by the master organ "the brain". Hearing , vision and smell are all peripheral senses interpreted by the brain. Actually the "wobble" can really be a disorder of the lower brain (cerebellum) that controls balance and coordination. Just my opinion though. :)