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Wingbeats
05-11-15, 02:48 PM
I've been researching and reading about snake husbandry for about 6 months now, and figuring out what species I want and whatnot.

Then on Thursday, May 7th, I finally visited a local reptile supplier guy. While I was there and looking around, he handed me a Brazilian/Columbian Rainbow Boa integrade, and I fell in love with her! She was so calm and so gentle, despite being young. (She is about 1.5 feet long)

So I went home with her and all the necessary stuff for her - the tank, under belly heat, thermometers, humidity measurer, etc, and got her all set up. The temps and humidity in there were nice and perfect according to BRB care sheets.

Then, on Saturday, two days later.....I went to pick her up to hold her a little, and she was GONE!! I dug around in her humid hide, the substrate, everything....somehow she apparently wriggled out of her enclosure and escaped!

So I found tips to find a lost snake, and started trying them.

Night 1 - Looked everywhere close to her tank in the open kitchen area. Set up plastic bags to listen to all over, never heard anything. So I laid down flour, some artist tape at doorways, and put a sterlite on the floor with a bowl of water and a humid hide.

Night 2 - I couldn't stay up late so I looked everywhere again, and left flour, water and hide, and tape where it was. No evidence of snake movement.

Night 3 - It is feeding day for her, so I thawed a mouse and made a soda bottle trap to put it in. I taped the mouse and bottle to the floor near the water and hide, so it's warm. Left tape and flour where it was. Still nada when I woke up this morning.

I'm so worried....I know that RBs like warm and humid, and my house is rather cool and dry. Anything else I should try for a RB? I'm scared that I'm not seeing any disturbed flour or anything. Perhaps it's time to set up tape in the carpeted part of the house? Should I leave the mouse out during the day, or only at night? How long before a fuzzy spoils? (I'm assuming when it starts to smell bad).

Thanks for any tips....I'm so scared I lost her forever. She is such a gentle little snake!

Albert Clark
05-12-15, 02:44 PM
Wow, sorry for the loss. Stay positive about finding her , I know the feeling well. I have had animals escape before and most times they were found. I would concentrate on any warm areas in the house. Behind the refrigerator and inside the motor area , behind the stove and around any electrical outlets, t.v's. Concentrate on looking at night with a good flashlight. Invite some friends or family over and make it a project. You are doing all the right things and keep doing them. Don't give up! She is probably looking right at you.

EL Ziggy
05-12-15, 07:53 PM
Best wishes. I really hope you find her. Sounds like you're taking the right steps. I have heard that you shouldn't use tape though. Keep us posted please.

Wingbeats
05-12-15, 10:29 PM
Day 4: Left mouse out, in liter soda bottle trap thing. Left tape in doorways. Left flour around oven and fridge. Still no sign or evidence of her.... I've been poking around the living room also, since my house has an open floor plan. I still sort of suspect that she is hidden in the fridge somewhere (as it is the closest warm thing to her enclosure), but I can't move the fridge myself.

Luckily, I closed all the vents in the downstairs on a whim when I first brought her home, so I'm not worried about that. I'm sure she has to be in the house somewhere! I just want her back so I can stop worrying about dehydration and all that jazz. Ugh, it's so embarrassing....bought my first snake, and immediately lost her :(

kuester
05-13-15, 07:59 AM
I lost my 2ft blue tongue skink outside in the wisconsin fall weather for 2 weeks but I found him. Don't lose hope! :)

prairiepanda
05-13-15, 09:18 AM
By any chance was the enclosure an Exo Terra or similar? They tend to have tiny gaps that young snakes can get through, particularly around the doors and on the top behind the styrofoam background. If it was in an aquarium type enclosure with a screen lid, pictures might help us find the problem. You're on the right track to find your snake, but the enclosure needs to be escape-proofed or else this will happen all over again. At 1.5ft she just be real skinny so preventing escapes can be a challenge.

Wingbeats
05-13-15, 11:58 AM
I did indeed find the hole in the lid, and I fixed it with masking tape on both sides. I've also been prepping a tub enclosure for her with latches - just gotta drill some little holes in the side for ventilation. But her first tank should be escape-proof now at least! (I'm building the tub enclosure so that keeping humidity is easy - the screen-top aquarium was meant to be temporary)

Naturally, if I get the latchable tub prepped and ready before I find her, then she is going in that when I find her. I plan on a PVC cage from animal plastics for her adult size.

Still no disturbed flour in the kitchen today. When I get home from work today, I'm going to do a big house clean and tidy. Get eeeverything off the floor and such. The enclosure was in a little nook off to the side of the kitchen, but the house has an open floor plan - no doors anywhere. Everything outside of the kitchen is carpet....a simple house, but with lots of floor space. Luckily the many bookshelves are lightweight, so I can peek behind and under those easily.

Big snake adventure, I guess. Siiiiiigh....

eminart
05-13-15, 01:39 PM
I'd recommend against using tape on your enclosure. Sooner or later, you're likely to find it stuck to your snake's scales.

When I was a kid, I lost a 3' iguana in our small house. Found it two weeks later in my mom's closet. Or SHE found it, and came and got me out of school to catch it.

Start in the room where you lost it, and systematically move and check in every single place a snake could hide. Then move to the next room. Don't skip places because it's difficult (i.e. behind bookshelves, in the refrigerator motor, etc.).

In my opinion, setting "traps" and whatnot is more or less just wasting time.

Snakesitter
05-13-15, 02:10 PM
Sorry to hear about your situation. A few thoughts:

1. Remove *all* tape. Trust me, you do not want to go there.

2. Leave water dishes out. Rainbows need regular access or they will dehydrate and die.

3. Escapees typically don't go far. Something small and secure and nearby was likely the first choice.

4. If you have any furry pets, watch their behavior. Cats can be lethal for small snakes.

5. Do not give up. A friend left a baby drawer open several months back, and I and another friend tore the house apart with no success. Yet the baby appeared two days later during feeding day, peering up from the floor as if to ask where her portion was?

6. Be cautious of breeders who create intergrades. They are a *terrible* idea. I'm glad this one found a good home with you, but if they become common they will beyond any doubt cause bloodline problems for the general population of both species.

Good luck!

Wingbeats
05-13-15, 02:55 PM
Huh, a bunch of peeps told me to use painter's tape to catch a snake, since it's easy to get off with a dab of oil. Is that not true?

I do have three water dishes about the kitchen....dehydration is what I'm worried about the most.

I suspect she is wedged up in the fridge somewhere, but the fridge is too heavy for me to move...trying to convince a friend or two to come over and help with that. I've had a ring of flour around the fridge to see if she moved to or from it, but no go so far. That's why I'm trying to lure her out with humid hides or a fuzzy feeder...there is some stuff I can't get into myself.

And yeah, I can imagine integrades are annoying for breeding! I don't intend to breed mine - I just want one pet snake as a reptile buddy C:

Thanks for tips, everyone <3

Albert Clark
05-13-15, 03:59 PM
Keep searching and stay positive. You will find her!

Snakesitter
05-14-15, 01:58 PM
Agreed. Never give up! (And thanks for the sensitivity to breeding an intergrade.)

kuester
05-14-15, 11:17 PM
I agree with everyone on removing tape from the entire situation! I have a friend that had the hole on the lid of her enclosure and so she put tape on both sides, went on vacation for the weekend came home and the baby brb was stuck, bottom jaw to the tape, hanging from it, jaw wide open and dead! This was only 3 days with tape! She was devastated. I recommend buying an aquarium silicone if its a small hole. have you checked underneath the enclosure?

SnakeyJay
05-15-15, 01:38 PM
By the time you find the snake stuck on the tape there's a good chance it will have skinned itself or ripped off a lot of scales trying to escape... You do not want the vet bills attached to that.

Snakesitter
05-15-15, 02:07 PM
That's so sad...but a good caution. :-( Stories like this are why I avoid tape.

Wingbeats
05-18-15, 09:07 PM
I have some good news!

So I put flour around the large appliances right after I discovered she was missing. Finally, today, there was a flour trail showing that she exited the flour circle around the oven! This means she spent the entirety of last week camped under and around the oven. I've blocked off the space under there, so she can't return, now.

It seems she headed in the direction of the dishwasher, so I bet she is under there now. I put a flour circle around that, and moved some water, a mouse in a snake trap thing, and some humid hides right nearby. Now that I know she is alive and vaguely where she is, hopefully I can finally nab her!

I also finished setting up the tub enclosure, so I'll have a nice and secure place to put her when I find her :)

Rattlehead
05-18-15, 11:31 PM
It's great that she's fine. Can you move the appliances of the kitchen? I feel that you are losing some time waiting for her to come out. They are very discreet and probably she'll move to another spot unnoticed again. Good luck!

eminart
05-19-15, 05:37 AM
If you think your snake is under the dishwasher, you should get under there and look. Most, if not all dishwashers, have a removable kick panel.

Wingbeats
05-19-15, 09:13 AM
Welp, it turns out I was a bit off. (I looked under the dishwasher, but there was a nook back there I couldn't see into).

Last night, I set out a fuzzy, and went to bed....and then my boyfriend woke me up an hour later saying "I HAVE THE SNAKE!!"

Turns out she actually crawled out from under the oven again, up onto the table, and attempted to get back into her old enclosure. Boyfriend heard her moving over the aluminum foil and nabbed her.

She is now safe in a warm and humid plastic shoebox! She ate her fuzzy as well. I'll get her situated in the bigger tub I made her today when I get home from work.

So yay - Chaska is returned!
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SnoopySnake
05-19-15, 09:35 AM
Glad you found her, she's very nice looking. I personally love the CRB/BRB crosses, I love how yours has the clean BRB pattern but earthy CRB color. I won't ever make any but if I ever come across one I'll definitely get it. I love how yours has the clean BRB pattern but earthy CRB color.

Snakesitter
05-19-15, 02:06 PM
Woooot major congrats -- I am very happy for you.

Make sure you give her a thorough inspection (after she digests), and keep her temps up by an extra degree or two for a few days to pump her immune system.

elkied243
05-19-15, 02:33 PM
Love hearing happy endings to loose snake stories! Congrats and she is gorgeous!

Rattlehead
05-19-15, 03:04 PM
Awesome! Glad that you found her and is safe and sound. Pretty rainbow!

prairiepanda
05-20-15, 07:44 AM
Yay! She's so cute! Glad she turned up. It's funny how escapees often try to get back into their enclosures. I had a king that escaped once and I didn't even realize she had gotten out until I walk into my room and see her trying to find a way back into her enclosure!

CrazyAnimalLady
05-20-15, 07:53 AM
Hey we just might have littermates! She looks just like my Atticus, a brb/crb I got at Repticon in Nampa in September.

EL Ziggy
05-20-15, 08:07 AM
Great news! I'm also glad you found her.

Wingbeats
05-20-15, 02:26 PM
Hey we just might have littermates! She looks just like my Atticus, a brb/crb I got at Repticon in Nampa in September.

Oh hey, I didn't know there were other peeps in Idaho here! I got mine from Rockin' Reptiles in downtown Boise.

And thanks everyone! Complaining here while she was missing helped me feel better and not stress so much :)

Chaska seems quite happy in her new tub - it's a big Ziplock tub with four latches. No way she is getting out of that, and she has room to grow. I am going to give her a thorough inspection when I get home from work, since her last meal should be all digested now!

Albert Clark
05-20-15, 02:43 PM
Congrats there wingbeats! I am so glad you had the persistence to never give up looking! Make sure to give the little girl extra hiding places in the new tub since it's a grow out tub. Please never take your eyes off her when that lid is off. Great work and kudos to you and boyfriend.