Banana enchi cinnamon ingredients?

[sophiedufort]

Does anyone know what are the ingredients for a banana enchi cinnamon? I saw a picture online, and it's mind-blowing.

[Aaron_S]

Banana x enchi x cinnamon

[sophiedufort]

Banana x enchi x cinnamon

I understand that, but in what order? Do you mean, a banana enchi x cinnamon? If it was that simple, I guess they would be available for sale all over the place. I only found one specimen in Canada. Here's her picture.

[Aaron_S]

Doesn't matter the order. It's the combination of all 3 mutations in one animal.

Banana has only been in the avergae breeders hands for 2 years. Tales time to reproduce things, hit the odds and be working on the project. There's 3500 different combinations currently.

[sophiedufort]

Doesn't matter the order. It's the combination of all 3 mutations in one animal.

Banana has only been in the avergae breeders hands for 2 years. Tales time to reproduce things, hit the odds and be working on the project. There's 3500 different combinations currently.

Thanks, Aaron. I appreciate it.

[trailblazer295]

Looks very expensive lol cool looking for sure but could never spend that kind of coin.

[Sublimeballs]

I thought this was trolling at first

[reptiledude987]

check out the genetic caculator here. World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/)

[sophiedufort]

check out the genetic caculator here. World of Ball Pythons (http://www.worldofballpythons.com/)

Thanks. I already did, but I can't calculate for a combination of three. Just two.

[reptiledude987]

you need to use the result from the first 2 genes then do again with the third

[sophiedufort]

you need to use the result from the first 2 genes then do again with the third

thank you very much. shall do.

[lady_bug87]

As Aaron said it doesn't matter which animal has which gene.

Cinnamon enchi x banana
Banana cinnamon x enchi

^^^ both will give you the triple.

Cinnamon is a co dominant (incomplete dominant) gene so it will be passed on 50% of the time. Same with enchi. Banana is a dominant gene (complete) it will also be passed 50% of the time.

The difference between complete and incomplete is that the incomplete genes have super forms. Meaning if both parents have the same incomplete dominant gene they can each pass a copy to the same egg making that offspring a 'Super'. Since supers have 2 copies of the same gene they pass one copy to 100% of the offspring.

[lady_bug87]

Also keep in mind that the banana gene changes as it gets older. They speckle (Black spots) and they dull out

[reptiledude987]

Also keep in mind that the banana gene changes as it gets older. They speckle (Black spots) and they dull out
Just like real bananas!!! :laugh:

[lady_bug87]

Yep Pretty much. Cool animal but not worth it for me.

[sophiedufort]

Also keep in mind that the banana gene changes as it gets older. They speckle (Black spots) and they dull out

Could you please post a link where I could find some info on these changes? I couldn't find anything.

[lady_bug87]

World of ball pythons under banana. You can see the speckling. And i was wrong earlier they have produced a 'super' banana making it a co dominant gene as well

[sophiedufort]

World of ball pythons under banana. You can see the speckling. And i was wrong earlier they have produced a 'super' banana making it a co dominant gene as well

I saw the speckling on that website, and on several other pictures on the web, but there was nothing to say that they speckle as they grow, or that their colors fade away. All I could find online a few days ago, before buying my little guy (the banana ball) was that they tend to lose their specs as they grow. And not all of them have specks. Mine doesn't.

[lady_bug87]

As baby balls grow they dull out. That's not specific to bananas. That's ALL of them. As for the speckling I can only repeat what I've heard from other breeders. The gene has been in collections for only a couple of years as Aaron said previously.

just because it doesn't have spots now doesn't mean it won't later.

I'm not trying to dissuade you. Buy what you like. I'm just giving you what limited information I have on it

[jossh27]

Just like real bananas!!! :laugh:

Lol. Yuck... Nobody likes a bruised banana

[Aaron_S]

I saw the speckling on that website, and on several other pictures on the web, but there was nothing to say that they speckle as they grow, or that their colors fade away. All I could find online a few days ago, before buying my little guy (the banana ball) was that they tend to lose their specs as they grow. And not all of them have specks. Mine doesn't.

Ball python mutations as a general rule all "dull" out to some degree. Most often they look amazing around 300 grams upto about 800. After that they begin to dull. When we talk about bananas. They are bright orange and yellow so it will be less noticable of a fade.

Now I'm intrigued about who says they lose speckling as they grow. They all get it increasingly after each shed as they grow. It varies between python to python.
The only time I have known for there to be less speckling is when it's crossed with pinstripe or spider. They tend to have less.
So expect to see the black increase as time goes on.

[prairiepanda]

I saw the speckling on that website, and on several other pictures on the web, but there was nothing to say that they speckle as they grow, or that their colors fade away. All I could find online a few days ago, before buying my little guy (the banana ball) was that they tend to lose their specs as they grow. And not all of them have specks. Mine doesn't.

I've seen other people's bananas grow up via instagram and they often have no speckling at all as babies but it starts to appear as they grow and some get quite a lot of speckles by the time they mature. Also, the purple parts on babies turn into beige or white as they grow, giving them a much less vibrant appearance. The yellow dulls too, but it's not very noticeable.

As others have implied, if you want to produce banana enchi cinnamons then you want to get yourself an enchi cinnamon girl to go with your guy and you'll be set. And if you pair a banana enchi cinnamon with another of the same to produce a super...I can't even imagine what it might look like! Something expensive for sure :p

[lady_bug87]

I've seen other people's bananas grow up via instagram and they often have no speckling at all as babies but it starts to appear as they grow and some get quite a lot of speckles by the time they mature. Also, the purple parts on babies turn into beige or white as they grow, giving them a much less vibrant appearance. The yellow dulls too, but it's not very noticeable.

As others have implied, if you want to produce banana enchi cinnamons then you want to get yourself an enchi cinnamon girl to go with your guy and you'll be set. And if you pair a banana enchi cinnamon with another of the same to produce a super...I can't even imagine what it might look like! Something expensive for sure :p

Anything super cinnamon would be all Brown. super banana super enchi would be neat

[sophiedufort]

Thank you everyone for your advice. I really appreciate it.