Keeping snakes in sterlite/plastic tubs?

[Praireboyfarmer]

I went terrarium shopping today and... I just can't see paying that much for a cage. So I went online to find some alternatives (plus observing snake keepers online) and a plastic tub seems to be a popular option. Like a tote or other type of container like it.

Is this a good idea? I estimated and determined I could build a complete set up for a ball python sized snake for almost 5 times less than I could buy just a glass terrarium. I also heard that plastic containers are easier to maintain an appropriate humidity/climate in.

I'm not cutting corners here. If I really need a glass terrarium I'll find a way to get my hands on one...

[millertime89]

I keep my younger/smaller snakes in plastic tubs. I love them. They hold heat and humidity well and they come in a large variety of sizes. They're a lot easier to clean and if you're feeling particularly lazy about cleaning up a major mess (say if the snake poops in their water and them dumps the water so you've got poop water all over the bottom of the tub) then you can just go buy a new one! The one downside IMO is that they're not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye, but the positives far outweigh that single negative.

[jjhill001]

It depends on what you want out of an enclosure. I like to make naturalistic set ups. Its a bit more work than a tub but its what I like to do. No real point in making a naturalistic tank with a tub. Many people have used tubs and they have healthy snakes. Make sure you can get a set up that you can make sure the lid closes properly.

[Jim Smith]

If you decide to use tubs, you need to make absolutely certain that you purchase tubs that you can securely close the lid, or purchase/build a rack system the fits close enough so the lid can not be raised at all. Even some of the larger sized tubs with clips on the ends to secure the lids are not secure. If you don't do this, your snakes will escape. I had one of my female Hondurans push her way out of one of these tubs and escape a couple of weeks ago. I only use tubs to hold my snakes when I am cleaning their enclosures or breeding a pair, but she managed to get out of a Sterilite tub with "locking" clips in 10 minutes. Just a thought...

[pet_snake_78]

I keep almost everything I have in tubs and have never had an escape, but I do choose carefully. Ziplock makes some very secure tubs, more secure than any cage you're going to find, but they only make them up to a certain size. My largest tubs are 40+" L and around 20" W. Because I have boas in those, I do keep them in a rack to prevent escape. They've been in there for a few months now without any escapes. Be sure to check stores besides just Walmart, too. Office Supply stores will often have some nice tubs but again there will be a maximum size that secures well. Tubs hold humidity really well, but if you're keeping desert species you may find they hold it too well lol I keep one species that needs higher heat and lower humidity so if I keep the water in the tubs I have to put so many holes to get the humidity down that a lot of heat escapes too. I would go with cages for aboreal species and basking lizards, though.

[bigsnakegirl785]

I like to use tubs for my babies, but the top-opening feature becomes a serious pain as they get older, so I prefer to upgrade to an adult enclosure once they hit a good size (say, 3'-5').

Just be sure to put enough air holes for proper ventilation, and secure your tub. Bungee cords are great for this. Just put some holes near the bottom and hook one end of the cord into it and the other end on a hole on the other side. Do this on both ends of the tub, and just stretch the cords up and over the lid. Gives it a 10/10 security, no way they're pushing out of that. Otherwise, you can use clips or velcro.

[lady_bug87]

I just got a set of IRIS bins and I'm in love

[jossh27]

Why not Just buy the tubs with the clip anyway on the lids? Tubs are already ugly no need to add cords :)

[Minkness]

Josh, they were talking about the long bins. If they have the clips on just the ends, the muddle can be pushed up easier by a strong snake, so the bunjees are to prevent the middle from being pushed up.

[pet_snake_78]

The Ziplock tubs have latches in the middles, too. If you have more than a few tubs you would probably need to build a rack anyway to hold the tubs, so you can ditch the lids at that point.

[mrgrimm]

I keep my younger/smaller snakes in plastic tubs. I love them. They hold heat and humidity well and they come in a large variety of sizes. They're a lot easier to clean and if you're feeling particularly lazy about cleaning up a major mess (say if the snake poops in their water and them dumps the water so you've got poop water all over the bottom of the tub) then you can just go buy a new one! The one downside IMO is that they're not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye, but the positives far outweigh that single negative.

I am not trying to bash tub keepers here, but there is more than a "single negative" to keeping a snake in a tub. I think it is very important to allow ANY animal a bit of room to live. Any enclosure that doesn't AT LEAST allow a snake to stretch completely out is just plain too small for my likings. Sure they will survive all kinds of inappropriate conditions, but IMO if you want them to thrive they should be able to stretch out, climb, exercise, and explore.

Think about it like this - a human inmate on death row in solitary confinement can live for 50 years or more - but if that's what you call a "life" then put yourself in that situation and you might appreciate a little extra room to go for a little jog, climb, pick multiple water sources, or even take a bath! (in a large setup you can have room for a bowl for a full grown ball python to soak in - and have room for multiple hides).

They climb and like to drape themselves on sticks, and they soak completely in a bowl - I keep my adult BP in a standard 150 gallon and he uses every inch of that enclosure every night.

It's really not that bad to keep heat and humidity levels appropriate, just takes a few checkups a day which me or my wife can handle.

[lady_bug87]

I am not trying to bash tub keepers here, but there is more than a "single negative" to keeping a snake in a tub. I think it is very important to allow ANY animal a bit of room to live. Any enclosure that doesn't AT LEAST allow a snake to stretch completely out is just plain too small for my likings. Sure they will survive all kinds of inappropriate conditions, but IMO if you want them to thrive they should be able to stretch out, climb, exercise, and explore.

Think about it like this - a human inmate on death row in solitary confinement can live for 50 years or more - but if that's what you call a "life" then put yourself in that situation and you might appreciate a little extra room to go for a little jog, climb, pick multiple water sources, or even take a bath! (in a large setup you can have room for a bowl for a full grown ball python to soak in - and have room for multiple hides).

They climb and like to drape themselves on sticks, and they soak completely in a bowl - I keep my adult BP in a standard 150 gallon and he uses every inch of that enclosure every night.

It's really not that bad to keep heat and humidity levels appropriate, just takes a few checkups a day which me or my wife can handle.

Comparing snakes to humans?

Nope. Nope. Nope.

[bigsnakegirl785]

Why not Just buy the tubs with the clip anyway on the lids? Tubs are already ugly no need to add cords :)

Because not all are secure enough, even with that built-in latches, especially as the tub gets bigger. It also depends on what you keep in them. All the tubs I have now are sturdy enough to contain all my boids without any additional security measures. But I'm sure one of my garters could find a way out with how tiny they are, so I'd use either clips or cords to keep them in.

As far as the ugliness goes, it's personal preference. I don't think either tubs or tubs with cords are ugly, and I prefer functionality over "prettiness" anyways. I don't care what the enclosure looks like as long as it fulfills my animal's needs.

I am not trying to bash tub keepers here, but there is more than a "single negative" to keeping a snake in a tub. I think it is very important to allow ANY animal a bit of room to live. Any enclosure that doesn't AT LEAST allow a snake to stretch completely out is just plain too small for my likings. Sure they will survive all kinds of inappropriate conditions, but IMO if you want them to thrive they should be able to stretch out, climb, exercise, and explore.

Think about it like this - a human inmate on death row in solitary confinement can live for 50 years or more - but if that's what you call a "life" then put yourself in that situation and you might appreciate a little extra room to go for a little jog, climb, pick multiple water sources, or even take a bath! (in a large setup you can have room for a bowl for a full grown ball python to soak in - and have room for multiple hides).

They climb and like to drape themselves on sticks, and they soak completely in a bowl - I keep my adult BP in a standard 150 gallon and he uses every inch of that enclosure every night.

It's really not that bad to keep heat and humidity levels appropriate, just takes a few checkups a day which me or my wife can handle.

Uh...tubs are perfectly capable of providing the space a snake needs, but you lose usable height as the animal gets larger (which is why I put older snakes in custom enclosures), but they don't necessarily *need* that extra height unless they're arboreal. And some species just get too large to be permanently housed in tubs or even tanks imo.

[prairiepanda]

I am not trying to bash tub keepers here, but there is more than a "single negative" to keeping a snake in a tub. I think it is very important to allow ANY animal a bit of room to live. Any enclosure that doesn't AT LEAST allow a snake to stretch completely out is just plain too small for my likings. Sure they will survive all kinds of inappropriate conditions, but IMO if you want them to thrive they should be able to stretch out, climb, exercise, and explore.

Think about it like this - a human inmate on death row in solitary confinement can live for 50 years or more - but if that's what you call a "life" then put yourself in that situation and you might appreciate a little extra room to go for a little jog, climb, pick multiple water sources, or even take a bath! (in a large setup you can have room for a bowl for a full grown ball python to soak in - and have room for multiple hides).

They climb and like to drape themselves on sticks, and they soak completely in a bowl - I keep my adult BP in a standard 150 gallon and he uses every inch of that enclosure every night.

It's really not that bad to keep heat and humidity levels appropriate, just takes a few checkups a day which me or my wife can handle.

Some people do use bins that are too small, but that doesn't condemn all use of bins for housing. I keep my growing snakes in bins for simplicity and to reduce cost while they're growing, and they will be upgraded to much nicer enclosures when they are big enough. But all of them have all the space they need, and I upgrade their bin sizes when necessary. The cal king I used to have(I donated her to a friend who I felt would benefit from having something to care for) loved to climb so I had her in a taller bin that accommodated branches. My honduran milk snake prefers to stay flat on the ground, so she gets a short bin with minimal decorations to maximize the floor space that she likes. My pines both like to dig, so they get deep substrate to dig in. None of them are cramped, and none are nose-rubbers so I know they haven't been trying to seek more space. All of my snakes have room to stretch out when they want to; when the snake's length becomes as long as two sides of the tub put together they get a bigger tub.

So, assuming suitably sized tubs are selected, I do think that aesthetics are the only downside to using tubs. Space for the snakes is not a downside; you can get a wide variety of tub sizes and some are incredibly huge. It is the keeper's responsibility to choose tubs that are appropriately sized.

[pet_snake_78]

The needs of humans and snakes are quite different. After all, a human doesn't need to go lay on a giant heat mat after eating and that's only the first thing off the top of my head.

[millertime89]

I am not trying to bash tub keepers here, but there is more than a "single negative" to keeping a snake in a tub. I think it is very important to allow ANY animal a bit of room to live. Any enclosure that doesn't AT LEAST allow a snake to stretch completely out is just plain too small for my likings. Sure they will survive all kinds of inappropriate conditions, but IMO if you want them to thrive they should be able to stretch out, climb, exercise, and explore.

You're clearly not aware that things like this exist...
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[jjhill001]

The needs of humans and snakes are quite different. After all, a human doesn't need to go lay on a giant heat mat after eating and that's only the first thing off the top of my head.

You don't know my life.

[jjhill001]

You're clearly not aware that things like this exist...
IRIS - VE-175W - IRIS USA Inc - storage and organization products home (http://www.irisusainc.com/p-680-ve-175w.aspx)

I doubt the majority of snake keepers are using those though.

[millertime89]

I doubt the majority of snake keepers are using those though.

So? Your point was that tubs don't provide adequate space. I gave you an example of one (of many) that do. I've got three of them that aren't being used as well as two other sizes that would be perfect for BPs.

[lady_bug87]

You're clearly not aware that things like this exist...
IRIS - VE-175W - IRIS USA Inc - storage and organization products home (http://www.irisusainc.com/p-680-ve-175w.aspx)

Damn it. You guys have all the best stuff

[prairiepanda]

Damn it. You guys have all the best stuff

We can get those sizes too. Wait until Christmas time; they're normally used for storing Christmas trees. But you'd need to figure out a way to secure the lid because as far as I know none of the ones we get have nice secure lids like those Iris ones do.


I doubt the majority of snake keepers are using those though.
That doesn't make size a downside to using tubs, though. Snake keepers just as often use actual terrariums that are too small for their animals. I've seen terrariums on the market that appear to be too small for any reptile that I could think of, but are advertised as being suitable for a variety of snakes and lizards. It's a problem with the keepers who choose to use undersized enclosures, not a problem with the enclosures themselves.

[lady_bug87]

We can get those sizes too. Wait until Christmas time; they're normally used for storing Christmas trees. But you'd need to figure out a way to secure the lid because as far as I know none of the ones we get have nice secure lids like those Iris ones do.



That doesn't make size a downside to using tubs, though. Snake keepers just as often use actual terrariums that are too small for their animals. I've seen terrariums on the market that appear to be too small for any reptile that I could think of, but are advertised as being suitable for a variety of snakes and lizards. It's a problem with the keepers who choose to use undersized enclosures, not a problem with the enclosures themselves.


I know i can ger the size.its the materials i want

[reptiledude987]

That doesn't make size a downside to using tubs, though. Snake keepers just as often use actual terrariums that are too small for their animals. I've seen terrariums on the market that appear to be too small for any reptile that I could think of, but are advertised as being suitable for a variety of snakes and lizards. It's a problem with the keepers who choose to use undersized enclosures, not a problem with the enclosures themselves.
I agree for example the exp terra 8"x8"x8" cube is pretty much useless aside from neonates of small species like hatchling bush vipers. but even then that enclosure would only be an appropriate stize for 6 months at best.

[pet_snake_78]

For the long tubs, you'll want to rack those regardless of it comes with a lid because otherwise you'd waste a lot of space and trying to work with them stacked directly on top of one another would be miserable. You can keep the lids on the sterilite 1996 and rack it but I found the humidity stayed quite high that way, be prepared to melt a lot of holes unless you're keeping something that wants 100% humidity!

[Mikoh4792]

It depends on the animal. Some types of snakes are relatively active(tiger ratsnakes) and I'd give them lots of room for movement. Others are relatively inactive(ambush hunters that stay in one spot for long periods of time) and don't require as much space.

It doesn't matter whether you use a tub, tank, cage..etc. The more important question is, how big should the enclosure be for the animal you plan to house?

[millertime89]

It depends on the animal. Some types of snakes are relatively active(tiger ratsnakes) and I'd give them lots of room for movement. Others are relatively inactive(ambush hunters that stay in one spot for long periods of time) and don't require as much space.

It doesn't matter whether you use a tub, tank, cage..etc. The more important question is, how big should the enclosure be for the animal you plan to house?

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[jossh27]

Josh, they were talking about the long bins. If they have the clips on just the ends, the muddle can be pushed up easier by a strong snake, so the bunjees are to prevent the middle from being pushed up.

Oh i see! I think I'd consider building a wooden frame kinda like a rack system then. I dunno, maybe I'm just picky and would like to display my pets- that being said, a clear plastic tub in a rack would be okay cause i could still see the reptile, or Human... I mean... ;)

[mrgrimm]

Tub keepers, good responses! I was more or less talking about the "smaller" tubs I was more familiar with seeing in youtube vids rack systems. I would have to agree that yes, there are some tubs out there that are more than big enough to allow adequate space for even a large snake!

And for the comparing snakes to humans - yea I know it's a little off, but to completely respect something different from me, I always try to "walk a mile in their shoes" or in this case slither a few feet on their bellies, lol...provided there is at least a bit of room to do so in your setup ;)