medical question

[fishingfool]

Is there a.common med used to treat internal.parisites that i can just ask the vet for by name i belive my newest bp came with a few stow aways and would like to treat him for parisites just to be on the safer end any advice other then take.it.right to a vet.would be nice as i don't have the cash to run to the vet at the moment owning a house cost a lot and winter in maine isn't cheap so help would be nice

[SnoopySnake]

A vet isn't just going to give you meds for parasites without seeing the animal or doing a fecal test, you're going to have to take him in. What makes you think he has parasites?

[SSSSnakes]

A vet by law can't give you medication without seeing the animal. They need to test to see what parasites the reptile has to treat it properly.

[fishingfool]

Well its not eatting and gaping its mouth alot it might be an RI but he isn't blowing bubbles or showing a lot of mucus in his mouth and i think he might be star gazeing but he could just be looking.up from time.to time i guess

[Aaron_S]

Well its not eatting and gaping its mouth alot it might be an RI but he isn't blowing bubbles or showing a lot of mucus in his mouth and i think he might be star gazeing but he could just be looking.up from time.to time i guess

Why is that indicative of internal parasites? Internal parasites are quite rare.

[fishingfool]

Inless his mouth should be completly dry his mouth looks normal

[fishingfool]

Well he hasn't eatten since i got him so about 4 weeks and seems to being droping weight he's abouy 40inches long and as if two weeks ago he was 950ish grams

[Aaron_S]

Inless his mouth should be completly dry his mouth looks normal

Again, what does that have to do with internal parasites? Do you know what internal parasites actually are?

From what you described, it SOUNDS like an RI. Maybe just the early onset of it. However, you need to get to a vet to get a culture and sensitivity test done.

I know owning a home sucks. You're in the States though. Leverage the poop out of any equity you got. You can write the interest of the mortgage off.

[fishingfool]

What kind of permits do.i need to own a human lol. of track but i just wanted to point out i like the humor there

[fishingfool]

So you think it sounds like a mild RI beacuse i do know how to treat that at home and actually have been treating my younger bp who came to me sick i guess i didn't wash my hands good enuff after handleing

[fishingfool]

And internal parasites are pretty much what that sound like could be a range of diffrent things but no i don't know any of the parasites that are known to host reptiles and or pythons

[fishingfool]

He also. dose not poop all that much only twice simce i have had him

[Kuamata]

Well snakes aren't supposed to poop every day... They do not poop often, that is normal...

Look, if you're not willing to take it to a vet, give it to someone that cares enough to give it the proper care and is willing to pay for a vet visit if something comes up. Just assuming it is an illness, parasites, etc., and giving medications may actually make an illness worse if you are wrong. Not to mention you need correct dosages for the size of your snake. Not every snake, even of the same species, will take the same dosage.

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm getting really sick of seeing people here, among other places, thinking they can just get away with owning an animal and not taking it to a vet when it's sick. Bottom line, it's irresponsible and selfish. If you can't do your duty as a responsible keeper, then do us a favor, find someone that will actually care for your animals.

[fishingfool]

It actually a i can't afford to spend 200+ Dollars to treat something i can treat at home for 1/3rd the price i care for and love my anamals

[fishingfool]

And takeing a loan against. my house ain't happening......also can someone delete this thread i don't know how or even know if i myself.can and i wasn't looking.for ridicule nor did i ever say i refuse to take him to a vet if he needs it....but really a lot.of people treat anamals at home farmers inject cattle themselves and we eat that stuff

[SnoopySnake]

It actually a i can't afford to spend 200+ Dollars to treat something i can treat at home for 1/3rd the price i care for and love my anamals

How can you treat it if you don't even know what it is? if you're dealing with parasites, you need to know what they are, what to use for treatment, and what the dosage is. It it's an RI, here's a quote from another thread because I don't feel like re-typing all this.

If no culture was done, you have zero idea what you were treating. Zero idea if the organism was susceptible to quinolone antibiotics, you don't even know if your animal has a bacterial infection that an antibiotic will fix. If your snake has a viral respiratory infection (antibiotics not gonna work), then your husbandry and a good chicken noodle soup recipe (ok, I'm kidding about the last part) is your only cure for that. If it's fungal, you have a whole other set of issues, and no, antibiotics won't fix that either.

Gotta culture to get a cure....

Bottom line is, you need to know what the issue is for treatment and in your case that sounds like it requires a vet visit.

[fishingfool]

So pretty much ima have to go to the vet well i guess i can fall behind on some more bills

[fishingfool]

And I'm pretty convinced its not parasites since what i thought was symtoms of them turned.out.to not.be

[Kuamata]

Livestock does not equal exotic pets that you take full responsibility for. If you can't afford the animal, don't get it.

Just another person looking to hear,"It's ok you can't get your sick animal professional help and it may end up suffering on your behalf," then turn tail when someone is honest with you.

[fishingfool]

No its a bipolar man trying not to flip out cus some rude **** head makeing me feel like a **** for takeing a anamal that would have died.in a over craped cage in a petshop ya know i feel the same way about.kids can't feed em don't breed them you dont see me complaining to every parent that 58% of my property taxes go to schools when i don't have kids clearly this site isn't any better then a facebook group i guess ima just have to rely on google and a vet that only cares for cats and dogs or drice about.six friggen hours just to turn my pockets insideout you need to go to the friggen members loung.and do.some.reading

[fishingfool]

Snoopy you where actually helpful you provided info about RI see i didn't know there was anything.but bacterial RI when.it.came to snakes so i now know.its not so easy to treat as i once thought

[MDT]

hey dude...no one's trying to bust on you (too) hard, but seriously...i have this conversation every. single. day......

as a matter of fact, i'm sitting at my desk typing this after just having had a discussion/fight with a patient about why i won't give her kid an antibiotic for "just in case"....her kid has a cold (read:virus)....no antibiotic on this planet will cure a virus. no antibiotic (in the traditional sense) will cure an intestinal parasite.....no antiviral medication will kill a bacteria. you gotta give the right medication for the right bug. if you don't, you simply have not gained any ground, and you have potentially exposed the patient to a harmful substance (yes, antibiotics have crappy bad side effects)....so, i know it sucks, i know medicine is expensive. i know it *seems* we could just write a prescription for X, Y, or Z infection and if we don't it's because we're being a douche. but. i promise, that's not the case..

i hope all goes well w your BP...keep us updated..

[fishingfool]

Yea it is deff exspencive amd the stress deff don't go down from people.makeing.you sound.like a bad pet parent

[fishingfool]

I just don't get why peoplr can self.treat pet fish and no one bats an eye. yet I'm a monster all of a suden.for hopeing.there is a cheaper way to go about.this o_0

[MDT]

because you're going farther up the evolutionary chain :D
more neurons....fish are just....meh....



(ok...i'm kidding)

[Kuamata]

As I said, different than an exotic pet you've chosen to take full responsibility of. Many people come here hoping we're going to tell them their behavior and treatment is ok, but, bottom line, the answer is honestly no, in these kinds of situations.

The truth is hard. Suck it up and open your eyes. Yes, pet shops generally do not care well for exotics, either, but when you decide to 'rescue' a pet shop animal, it is your responsibility to then be able to *afford* the animal's needs and upkeep. If you can't then you only half a**ed the 'rescue', as you probably want to call it, which really is no good. If you can't pay for it's care and upkeep, then you're equally causing it a disservice. I'm sure you've heard the expression,"Don't bite off more than you can chew." Real rescuers practice this all the time, and often times have to turn down a rescue because they know they can't afford *everything* for another on top of what they're already caring for.

[Aaron_S]

No its a bipolar man trying not to flip out cus some rude **** head makeing me feel like a **** for takeing a anamal that would have died.in a over craped cage in a petshop ya know i feel the same way about.kids can't feed em don't breed them you dont see me complaining to every parent that 58% of my property taxes go to schools when i don't have kids clearly this site isn't any better then a facebook group i guess ima just have to rely on google and a vet that only cares for cats and dogs or drice about.six friggen hours just to turn my pockets insideout you need to go to the friggen members loung.and do.some.reading

You may have possibly saved one animal from that pet store but killed about another dozen. Good job!

All that pet store will do is replace that one animal with a bunch more with all the profit you just gave them.

Yeah...google is the way to go? You couldn't even tell if it was internal parasites or not. Honestly, you're really far over your head.

[Tsubaki]

Around here farmer don't inject cattle themselves, they have vets do it. It's illegal to perform veterinary acts on your animal, unless you are talking over the counter stuff. I believe strongly that anyone who owns a pet, should have a minimum amount of money set aside just in case one needs veterinary care. I personally make sure to have a minimum of 200,- per animal set aside for surprise vet visits, if i do not have the money, i will not take in the animal. Simple as that. The fact the snake is not eating, has a dry mouth, and looks up often is a very clear reason is needs a veterinary visit. Or at the very very least, a stool sample check-up. Also the fact that you're declaring you might have infected this snake, with improper hand-washing after touching a different sick snake. Does not make me feel confident you are experienced enough, to be giving the animals medical care yourself.

[NewHerp293]

I dont know why youre getting defensive/pissed when you posted on a public forum asking a question that was answered by a lot of people who have been taking care of snakes for a longgg time. I know it sucks to hear your wrong sometimes but referring to this site as no better than a Facebook group just seems childish when the only thing people are trying to do is provide info on the best care for your animal. Ive read a lot of posts and the only time it ever turns bad is when the OP starts fighting back. Theres nothing wrong with a little criticism, its the best way to be better.

[Kuamata]

I believe strongly that anyone who owns a pet, should have a minimum amount of money set aside just in case one needs veterinary care. I personally make sure to have a minimum of 200,- per animal set aside for surprise vet visits, if i do not have the money, i will not take in the animal. Simple as that.

Same, I usually have 1,000+ set aside 'cause one, exotic vets do not come cheap for their expertise, and, two, if a really urgent matter came up, I want to be able to pay for it.

Now, I know there are the freak accidents that occur, like, for example, my mother bought a baby black pug from a small home breeder(please do not start a breeder debate, as this is not the point of my post). Vet visit went fine, was totally healthy, had her shots and everything...

A few weeks later the pup started spinning in circles repeatedly, crashing into things, and steadily became more aggressive before she ultimately started having repeated seizures and rushed to the emergency after hour vet until ours was available.

We battled for about a month before she suddenly passed while the specialists at a clinic meant for more serious conditions(our vet deemed her case to be more than he could assist with) were consulting about her case in front of her cage. They immediately tried to bring her back with no success.

They strongly believe it was pug dog encephalitis, a genetic condition that has no cure and not a lot of research behind it due to the fact it only effects strictly the pug breed. Her long battle costed my mother about 3 to 4 thousand dollars. She knew that the chances were strongly in favor of death, but our family of dedicated animal lovers would gladly sell everything for our animals if it meant they would be happy and healthy.

That is a situation I deem a 'freak incident'. She had been to the vet, everything was all good.. then out of the blue a sudden fatal genetic disorder pops up and costs thousands battling. That kind of situation is, in no way, at fault of the owner. I fully support people with fundraisers for these kinds of things, rather than dumping the animal because they can't afford it and they wouldn't do anything to fight for their -family's- life.

[Jacktar]

This thread has motivated me. I realize that I don't know who the best vet is for exotic animals in my area. I should've researched this and had a number on file. For pre-emptive measure in case one of my animals gets sick, I'm going to find out right now. Thanks for the wake-up call

[elvirak]

I know this is an older message but I work as a vet tech and we do panacure for parasites for snakes etc...for future