Gtp x sd retic

[JustMeNmySnakes]

Has a green tree python male ever been crossed with a super dwarf retic female?

[Tsubaki]

I'm not sure since i do not keep up with hybrid breeding, i do know that all retic hybrids have been male retic x female of other species. Female retics tend to rip foreign males apart, if you're not careful even those of their own kind. I wouldn't advice attempting it.

[dave himself]

I've never heard of it being done yet and from what I've heard female retics are fussy when it comes to breeding. So I guess the best way to go about it would be female gtp to male SD retic

[dave himself]

I'm not sure since i do not keep up with hybrid breeding, i do know that all retic hybrids have been male retic x female of other species. Female retics tend to rip foreign males apart, if you're not careful even those of their own kind. I wouldn't advice attempting it.

^^^^^ beat me to it :)

[JustMeNmySnakes]

I've got a long way to go since she's young. Was Just curious. Thanks for the input.;)

[David VB]

Just DON'T... WTH is wrong with the existing species that you HAVE to breed hybrids???? The more i read, the more i begin to really HATE people...

[millertime89]

Just DON'T... WTH is wrong with the existing species that you HAVE to breed hybrids???? The more i read, the more i begin to really HATE people...

Oh shut up. Nobody asked for your opinion. Damn Negative Nancys. Only if it had been done.

To my knowledge, no, it hasn't been done. That said this is one time I would consider using a female retic as I would be nervous about a female GTP becoming egg bound more than a female retic in this scenario. Just a hunch.

[Will0W783]

It is not possible to breed a retic with a green tree python, as the genera of the two species are different. The existing snake hybrids all stick within the same genus (burm x retic= Python; GTP x carpet = Morelia; Amazon tree box x Emerald tree boa = Corallus; ball x burm, ball x blood = Python).

As far as I know, the interbreeding of snakes can only be done within one genus, due to the genetic differences between genera. So, no, you could not successfully breed a reticulated python (Python reticulatus) to a green tree python (Morelia viridis), unless you had the facilities to attempt artificial insemination.

[millertime89]

It is not possible to breed a retic with a green tree python, as the genera of the two species are different. The existing snake hybrids all stick within the same genus (burm x retic= Python; GTP x carpet = Morelia; Amazon tree box x Emerald tree boa = Corallus; ball x burm, ball x blood = Python).

As far as I know, the interbreeding of snakes can only be done within one genus, due to the genetic differences between genera. So, no, you could not successfully breed a reticulated python (Python reticulatus) to a green tree python (Morelia viridis), unless you had the facilities to attempt artificial insemination.

What about the Columbian boa x yellow annie? Carpet x Blood has been done too. Burms and retics are no longer the same genera either. I'm pretty sure there are a few other examples that I'm forgetting about. It's just a name.

[Sublimeballs]

^ this and there's another post today about a corn x Honduran milk.

[Minkness]

My question is, why do you want to breed that pair?

[Derek1]

^ this and there's another post today about a corn x Honduran milk.

Don't drag me into this. :p I was just looking.

[JustMeNmySnakes]

Millertime, thanks for keeping it real. I'm sure people get curious when you start imagining the influence of a snake as beautiful as the GTP yet so plain would have on a cross with anything.. It may not seem right or possible, but it makes the possibilities interesting to imagine.:smug:

[David VB]

Oh shut up. Nobody asked for your opinion. Damn Negative Nancys. Only if it had been done.

To my knowledge, no, it hasn't been done. That said this is one time I would consider using a female retic as I would be nervous about a female GTP becoming egg bound more than a female retic in this scenario. Just a hunch.

A forum is there to ventilate opinions, moron... Shut up yourself if that is all you have to say.

[shaunyboy]

Just DON'T... WTH is wrong with the existing species that you HAVE to breed hybrids???? The more i read, the more i begin to really HATE people...

^^^^^
you are entitled to an opinion on Hybrids....

but there's no to tell the op you HATE him

if you cannot act like a grown up,then i suggest you use a different forum,as there's no place for that crap here mate...!!



if someone wants to produce Hybrids then i have no issue with them,as long as all the snakes in question are looked after correctly...


cheers shaun

[shaunyboy]

A forum is there to ventilate opinions, moron... Shut up yourself if that is all you have to say.

it is,but....

there's no need to use the word HATE or MORON, when talking about members on here,is there now ?


cheers shaun

[Pareeeee]

it is,but....

there's no need to use the word HATE or MORON, when talking about members on here,is there now ?


cheers shaun

Name calling/personal attacks is one of the bannable offences here (see the site rules) so I doubt he'll last long on this forum.

[Aaron_S]

It is not possible to breed a retic with a green tree python, as the genera of the two species are different. The existing snake hybrids all stick within the same genus (burm x retic= Python; GTP x carpet = Morelia; Amazon tree box x Emerald tree boa = Corallus; ball x burm, ball x blood = Python).

As far as I know, the interbreeding of snakes can only be done within one genus, due to the genetic differences between genera. So, no, you could not successfully breed a reticulated python (Python reticulatus) to a green tree python (Morelia viridis), unless you had the facilities to attempt artificial insemination.

What about the Columbian boa x yellow annie? Carpet x Blood has been done too. Burms and retics are no longer the same genera either. I'm pretty sure there are a few other examples that I'm forgetting about. It's just a name.

Both make good points. However, when we classify animals or reclassify as in the retic/burm part, it's merely for our records and has no bearing on how close they can actually be.

To Kims point, I would also toss out the woma hybrids too. Ball python x woma.

So far the hybrids that have been successful seem to be pretty "close". No one has crossed an arboreal like a gtp with a ball or anything terrestrial to date. Other than the ball burm no one has done a large size difference either.

I have a hard time thinking GTP and retic will breed.

[millertime89]

Both make good points. However, when we classify animals or reclassify as in the retic/burm part, it's merely for our records and has no bearing on how close they can actually be.

To Kims point, I would also toss out the woma hybrids too. Ball python x woma.

So far the hybrids that have been successful seem to be pretty "close". No one has crossed an arboreal like a gtp with a ball or anything terrestrial to date. Other than the ball burm no one has done a large size difference either.

I have a hard time thinking GTP and retic will breed.

Good call! Totally forgot about the Walls. So far, just in pythons, I know of the following hybrids that have been successfully produced:
ball x burm
ball x blood
ball x carpet
ball x woma
retic x burm
gtp x carpet
carpet x boelens
carpet x blood
carpet x bredli
a.rock x burm
indian rock x burm (not sure if hybrid or simply integrade, the jury is still out on this, but I lean towards hybrid)

I also know retic x ball and retic x scrub has been attempted but so far nothing has come of it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone has attempted retic x carpet or carpet x scrub either.

[David VB]

^^^^^
you are entitled to an opinion on Hybrids....

but there's no to tell the op you HATE him

if you cannot act like a grown up,then i suggest you use a different forum,as there's no place for that crap here mate...!!



if someone wants to produce Hybrids then i have no issue with them,as long as all the snakes in question are looked after correctly...


cheers shaun

I only stated that i start to hate 'people', simply because of the fact that 'some' think they can do anything (with animals)... I was not at all targeting anyone particularly.

And i do apologize for the 'moron', i felt attacked and not being an english speaking person, i dod not know how to explain that, if you know what i mean...

[Will0W783]

Hmm, I guess I forgot about all the reclassifications happening in snake genetics lately, and the things like the "wall" python.
I still do not think that an arboreal python, especially a small one like a GTP, could successfully breed with a retic. But I could be proven wrong.

[millertime89]

Hmm, I guess I forgot about all the reclassifications happening in snake genetics lately, and the things like the "wall" python.
I still do not think that an arboreal python, especially a small one like a GTP, could successfully breed with a retic. But I could be proven wrong.

We can all thank Raymond Hoser... Is he still here?

This is one hybrid that I would be very nervous about attempting. Not one that I would do personally unless other people had successfully done it with little to no issues in the past.

[jossh27]

Why is hybrid such a touchy subject? Aside from bloodlines being fouled and selling them as something they aren't, who cares?

[reptiledude987]

the biggest isse I would see with this cross is how would you keep the offspring? sure you could offer perches and hides if they decided to be arboreal or terrestrial. however how would you know what temps and humidity levels to keep. As these animals dont have the same needs. sure you could experiment but you could loose any potensial offspring withthis experimenting. also dont breed either myself but different incubation requirements could be an issue as well.

[charlesc84]

Imagine a 20 foot green tree python???

[charlesc84]

There are some pretty small super dwarf retics, and a few extra large green trees, I dont think it's outside the realm of possibility they would lock up.

[reptiledude987]

Imagine a 20 foot green tree python???

Thats a scary thought! It would look cool but dont think id want to have to deal with it myself.

[Aaron_S]

Why is hybrid such a touchy subject? Aside from bloodlines being fouled and selling them as something they aren't, who cares?

Once upon a time diamond pythons were $1000 each. At the same time Jungle carpet pythons were $150 each.

Little Jossh27 loves diamond pythons. Loves them so much that it's his dream snake. Jossh27 can't afford a $1000 right now so they save and save and save. A year goes by waiting for the next seasons babies to hatch. They finally do!

Jossh27 is super excited. He found one for sale and is able to go and buy it. They buy it. Take it home, set it up and care for this pretty baby for a few years.

Jossh27 decides it's time to breed his snake. Wants to try his hand reproducing diamonds. Has a better job and is able to afford a breeder sized animal for the price of $2000 from the person he bought his previous baby from.

He gets them home. Is so proud of his pair. He breeds them. He posts pictures of all the babies and the parents. Some people congratulate him but others, more experienced, notice some odd markings.

When little Jossh27 does some research and finds out that the ones he's been purchasing are actually crosses with Jungles he gets upset. His $3000 and all his time have been wasted. His animals are now valued at $200 instead of $1000. His dream snake is still just a dream.

[jossh27]

Once upon a time diamond pythons were $1000 each. At the same time Jungle carpet pythons were $150 each.

Little Jossh27 loves diamond pythons. Loves them so much that it's his dream snake. Jossh27 can't afford a $1000 right now so they save and save and save. A year goes by waiting for the next seasons babies to hatch. They finally do!

Jossh27 is super excited. He found one for sale and is able to go and buy it. They buy it. Take it home, set it up and care for this pretty baby for a few years.

Jossh27 decides it's time to breed his snake. Wants to try his hand reproducing diamonds. Has a better job and is able to afford a breeder sized animal for the price of $2000 from the person he bought his previous baby from.

He gets them home. Is so proud of his pair. He breeds them. He posts pictures of all the babies and the parents. Some people congratulate him but others, more experienced, notice some odd markings.

When little Jossh27 does some research and finds out that the ones he's been purchasing are actually crosses with Jungles he gets upset. His $3000 and all his time have been wasted. His animals are now valued at $200 instead of $1000. His dream snake is still just a dream.

I'm not sure if you wrote it like this to be a jerk, or if its the way you thought people would best understand it... Probably both. So aside from selling them and tainting blood lines there's nothing wrong with it? Just people's personal feelings towards it.

[jossh27]

I'm not here to criticise or anything like that simply trying to understand and learn a much as i can

[Aaron_S]

I'm not sure if you wrote it like this to be a jerk, or if its the way you thought people would best understand it... Probably both. So aside from selling them and tainting blood lines there's nothing wrong with it? Just people's personal feelings towards it.

Nothing about it being a jerk. Just a different way of saying it.

It's not personal feelings.

I forgot the end of it.

It would read "Jossh27 now has a clutch of babies that have muddled blood. The borders are now closed in Australia so there's no way to get new, real diamond pythons out so his dream is crushed and the hobby of the animals we want to keep pure are no longer available."

It's about preservation of what we have.

I have no personal care what people decide to do. It's completely shady though that people will/did do this (many on purpose) to make money off "pure" species.

The other part is people will unknowingly buy "pure" and breed these "pure" and then sell them "pure" when they aren't. It's a completely avoidable and unfortunate event for those who want specific locales and can't find them.

And even those who divulge they aren't pure can't keep track of all the offspring and they may end up being re-sold or bred as "pure".

Sad things for the rare species we can no longer import and for whatever reason it's generally rare species that are hybridized.

[jossh27]

you mean it would have read "little Jossh27". ;)

i definitely have a clearer view of why people frown upon it now.

i don't think you think i was taking a jab at you Aaron, but just to clean and dust from the air... i wasn't :)

[reptiledude987]

I agree with aaron on this about watering down of the bloodlines. The point I wast trying to make was that for the most part the husbandry requirments for carpets are pretty similar. However the husbandry requirments for retics and gtp are quite different. so the problem is when the babies are born how are you going to have a habitat set up for them? what temps will you keep? what humidity levels will you need? how many babies will you loose dialing in these requirments?

[SnoopySnake]

I agree with aaron on this about watering down of the bloodlines. The point I wast trying to make was that for the most part the husbandry requirments for carpets are pretty similar. However the husbandry requirments for retics and gtp are quite different. so the problem is when the babies are born how are you going to have a habitat set up for them? what temps will you keep? what humidity levels will you need? how many babies will you loose dialing in these requirments?

I personally would offer a wide variety of temps and multiple humidity levels and see where they hang out most. I think a hybrid of these two may be interesting but not sure if it's really possible.

[Aaron_S]

you mean it would have read "little Jossh27". ;)

i definitely have a clearer view of why people frown upon it now.

i don't think you think i was taking a jab at you Aaron, but just to clean and dust from the air... i wasn't :)

Nope. No worries. I was just having fun with the explanation. Paint a picture instead of just reciting what's been said many times before.

Just a different approach.

Like I said, I don't care what people do I just wish it was for less selfish reasons than "Because I can".

We as humans don't always have to do things just because we can.

[jossh27]

Nope. No worries. I was just having fun with the explanation. Paint a picture instead of just reciting what's been said many times before.

Just a different approach.

Like I said, I don't care what people do I just wish it was for less selfish reasons than "Because I can".

We as humans don't always have to do things just because we can.

i think we can all agree on that!

[millertime89]

Aaron is unfortunately 100% accurate. Although I don't think anybody could mistake a GTP x SD for either parent, it's definitely possible since nobody knows what they'll look like. I mistook a super ball (ball x blood) the other day for just a very large ball.

the biggest isse I would see with this cross is how would you keep the offspring? sure you could offer perches and hides if they decided to be arboreal or terrestrial. however how would you know what temps and humidity levels to keep. As these animals dont have the same needs. sure you could experiment but you could loose any potensial offspring withthis experimenting. also dont breed either myself but different incubation requirements could be an issue as well.

I don't think how to keep them would be much of an issue. Retics are already semi-arboreal and SDs I would say lean more toward the arboreal side than terrestrial. I would keep a cross exactly like a carpet or a carpondro and modify as needed. Temps and humidity between the species are fairly similar and I would err on the side of caution with higher humidity. Since GTPs need slightly cooler temps than retics for incubation I would err on the side of caution and have the temp at 88 degrees (GTPs need 87-88 and retics 88-90, but 90 will kill GTP eggs based on what I've been told) and keep the humidity at 90%. I would cut the eggs at day 55 and just remove a bit of egg shell but not actually cut the membrane and wait to see how long they take to come out. I would venture it would be 60-65 days since GTPs take 50-55 and retics 80-85 typically.

[Aaron_S]

Aaron is unfortunately 100% accurate. Although I don't think anybody could mistake a GTP x SD for either parent, it's definitely possible since nobody knows what they'll look like. I mistook a super ball (ball x blood) the other day for just a very large ball.



I don't think how to keep them would be much of an issue. Retics are already semi-arboreal and SDs I would say lean more toward the arboreal side than terrestrial. I would keep a cross exactly like a carpet or a carpondro and modify as needed. Temps and humidity between the species are fairly similar and I would err on the side of caution with higher humidity. Since GTPs need slightly cooler temps than retics for incubation I would err on the side of caution and have the temp at 88 degrees (GTPs need 87-88 and retics 88-90, but 90 will kill GTP eggs based on what I've been told) and keep the humidity at 90%. I would cut the eggs at day 55 and just remove a bit of egg shell but not actually cut the membrane and wait to see how long they take to come out. I would venture it would be 60-65 days since GTPs take 50-55 and retics 80-85 typically.

The best thing to happen to hybrids is for them to look ugly.

Much like the jungle corn. It's nothing to really look at so no one really cares for it.

[RAD House]

To me it seems the biggest problem people have with hybrids is that they may have to do more work to figure out the backgrounds of the snakes they buy. Little Johnny should have done a little more research if he really loved his snakes so much, and maybe he should know breeding snakes isn't the best business decision. Another lesson learned the hard way. I agree that some hybrids like jungle corns are less than attractive, but I also don't know if I have seen a cooler looking snake than an Imperial Pueblan in the hobby.