more random venomous!

[CrotalusR#1]

these are just some more of my snakes.
it was brought to my attention that using the scientific names which i am more familiar with may make people feel left out. this time i will use the common names.

crotalus ruber [red diamond rattlesnake] [pair]
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western massasauga rattlesnake
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5036/13931649057_ee395cccc0_c.jpg

great basin rattlsnake
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2917/13976697231_7a037a9798_c.jpg

mojave green
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3818/10570536143_d4b97450aa_c.jpg

blue tiger rattlesnake
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7432/10706131666_278089dd56_c.jpg

Arizona black rattlesnake
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7199/13979911565_456e5c75a1_c.jpg

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i will try to post some more down below because of the 8 picture limit

[CrotalusR#1]

canebrake rattlesnake
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5537/13956877636_16b5d32af6.jpg

speckled rattlesnake
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https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2917/13932356689_24b650a5c6.jpg

southern copperhead pair
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2915/14263739383_af038b3f75_c.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2903/14524400652_060a05f4f5_c.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5566/14243440265_c0825a334c_c.jpg

Horned viper [Vipera ammodytes]
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5510/13976700861_57b4bc1e44.jpg

[PsychoSnake]

Very, very pretty rattlesnakes!

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

You have yourself a huge, awesome collection of hots there. Love the Copperheads!

[sharthun]

Wow! love your collection! The speckled and copperheads are beautiful!

[CrotalusR#1]

Thank you!!

[reptiledude987]

How do you go about feeding with the 2 copperheads in the smae enclosure?

[EL Ziggy]

Wow, that is a very impressive collection of hots. They're all beautiful!

[CrotalusR#1]

thank you EL-Ziggy......to answer your question reptiledude987, the answers carefully! i will often separate them but usually theirs no problem.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5038/14056936929_d86601a34d.jpg

[reptiledude987]

so does that mean you offre 2 mice at same time or feed 1 then other?

[CrotalusR#1]

They are in a relatively large cage so I will have them on the opposite sides. I try to have both occupied with a mouse at the same time so there not interested in each other...I have never had problems doing this with this pair. I do have snakes that I will absolutely separate during feeding.
Nathan.

[reptiledude987]

Ok I was just curious as I'm taking a bit of heat on the thread "Great feeding debate inside or outside enclosure" because I have some morelia I house together and seperate for feeding. that being said I've only ever been bit by one of them (aside from a nippy baby) and it wasnt during a feeding so i was just curious what you were doing for venomous snakes living together as I imagine you would want to remove them as little as possible.

[CrotalusR#1]

Yes I prefer to take them out as least as possible. I will take a look at your thread.

[SSSSnakes]

I imagine you would want to remove them as little as possible.

Do not want to derail this thread, just wanted to respond in a positive way to a comment here. I actually use newspaper as substrate for my venomous snakes, so I have to handle them often to clean their enclosures. The more I handle them the more docile they normally become. I don't take them out just to handle them, but trying not to handle them, in my experience, keeps them defensive. Most experienced venomous keepers can handle their snakes for maintenance with little chance of getting bit. If you are afraid of your snake, then you should not keep it. Respect them, don't fear them.

[reptiledude987]

I really do love the copperheads I think theyre beautiful. Dont have anything venomous and wondering how dangerous and difficult to keep they are? I'm not new to keeping snakes by any means but hots would be a whole new world for me.

[CrotalusR#1]

is a copperhead a snake you would consider keeping and could even acquire? .... Copperheads are super hardy and a really simple snake to keep. There bite is not as bad as many others and isn't considered deadly but it will defiantly suck and they have killed people before. The problem with working one on one with some one and there hot is it doesn't really prepare you mentally for the first time your all by your self and you need to go hands on with a potentially lethal snake....as long as you are clear out of the strike range you can't get bit....copperheads can be very twitchy which can be a little intimidating at first...I defiantly recommend one as a first hot.

[CrotalusR#1]

SSSSnakes, i handle my venomous quite often that way when something more physically demanding like pinning or medicating is required it is not nearly as stressful on the snake. i often let some snakes wonder in a safe environment. i don't handle the copperheads as much just because they musk like crazy. funny this would come up, i was just in a debate with some friends that where over to the house the other day. they think its to stressful when i think the stress a unhandheld snake would go threw during something like pinning, force feeding or administrating medication doesn't even compare to the first few times a new snake is handled. i still work with my biggest baddest hot.

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[Will0W783]

Wow! I love your rattlers- rattlesnakes are awesome creatures and a lot of fun to work with. I have a few myself and I find that they settle down fairly quickly. Most of mine hardly rattle at me and are very easy to move around for maintenance when I need to get them out. The exception is my C. atrox- they're still not horrible for atrox, but not that fun, lol!!!

How do you find the rubers are to work with? I'd love to get a pair someday when I have more space. Right now, my EDBs are taking up all my big cages.

[BIGT FROM F.B.]

I really do love the copperheads I think theyre beautiful. Dont have anything venomous and wondering how dangerous and difficult to keep they are? I'm not new to keeping snakes by any means but hots would be a whole new world for me.

The exact same goes for me too. I love the patterns and have had several years experience with non hots, but would love to have a copperhead.

[Will0W783]

Copperheads are kind of a pain in the *** until they really get used to you and settle down. I had a young pair for over a year and they just musked like crazy every time I did anything. If I gave them water, they musked. If I fed them, they musked. If I had to take them out to clean their cages, they musked. Their cages constantly smelled like unwashed ***hole. LOL. They also did not hook well at all.

They were really beautiful snakes, and I wish I could still keep them. PA decided to make ALL localities of copperheads illegal now.

[CrotalusR#1]

All my atrox are ridiculous!...I love ruber they are probably my favorite to work with. They are a lager snake for sure. All mine are extremely docile. even when i have found them in the wild they are never one to rattle, strike or flee until touched. I bred and produced 8 babies this year... i defiantly recommend ruber!

All copper heads are bit different just like any species. i have had many of them and only have had one that constantly musked, all the others have been a dream to work with.

[CrotalusR#1]

hopi rattlesnake

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5493/10721696046_85fb82257b.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5340/13905237989_c921857027.jpg

[millertime89]

Gorgeous animals! If hots were legal here I would consider a few crotalids or copperheads, absolutely love them.

[CrotalusR#1]

thank you millertime89 and to all those who committed on my post.

[Will0W783]

Awesome- I really want to get some ruber one of these years.

[CrotalusR#1]

Will0W783, are ruber hard to find for sale where you live?

[Roman]

Great selection, beautiful snakes…

these are just some more of my snakes.
it was brought to my attention that using the scientific names which i am more familiar with may make people feel left out. this time i will use the common names.

This is an interesting attitude here in this forum (as well as in some forums in the UK I am visiting). As a member in two of the better forums here in Germany (better as other forums here in a sense that most of the topics have a better standard as “my cornsnake likes TV and shares my popcorn”) you would be encouraged to provide the scientific name at least once in your thread. The idea behind this is the usage of the search function. If you are looking for a specific species you don’t have to search for different common names as well as for abbreviations (e.g. cornsnake, corn snake, corn, etc.) but you would search for Pantherophis guttatus. That’s the reason why I usually use the scientific name of a snake at least once in every thread I write.

Btw it makes it easier for us foreigners (= not native English speaker) to identify the species you are talking about… :)


Roman

[CrotalusR#1]

not quite sure i understand exactly what your point is. if it is that its better to use Latin names i 100/100 agree. im on venomland which i feel is probably the best venomous forum and i don't think i or anyone else on there has every used the common names. if some one comes across a snake on the internet and all that's listed is the Latin name and you don't know what it is than learn the Latin name as you would the common name. using the Latin name allows for zero confusion. most snakes have many common names but all have just one Latin names, that's especially important when asking for the write antivenin because a lot of snakes have the same common names as other snakes which may require completely different antivenin.
nathan.

[Roman]

Nathan, that’s exactly the point I tried to make. When I joined this forum I was wondering why (nearly) nobody was using the scientific names as I was used to in the German forums I was already visiting.

Roman

[SSSSnakes]

Nathan, that’s exactly the point I tried to make. When I joined this forum I was wondering why (nearly) nobody was using the scientific names as I was used to in the German forums I was already visiting.

Roman

Here in the US most people use the common names for things, that is why they are called common names. All though I know most of the Latin names, I can't pronounce them correctly most of the time. We in the US like to keep it simple, we call water, water, not H2o and oxygen, oxygen, not O2. I agree Latin names keep from misidentifying a snake, but most people in the reptile hobby do not want to learn Latin. Also now with all the morphs, common names are all we have. All the Ball/Royal Python morphs are still called Python regius, so common names will be required to ID them. I mean no disrespect to those who use the Latin names, I just think it is friendlier to use both, if you like using Latin.

[CrotalusR#1]

glad to see we are on the same page roman. i can understand tho seeing that this forum has tons of post involving morphs. no ones gonna say 'this is my black pastel mahogany python regius' because every one knows that morph is a ball python, know what i mean roman?... that being said i still am all for Latin names and think any one getting into this hobby especially venomous should learn the scientific names.
nathan.

[Roman]

Here in the US most people use the common names for things, that is why they are called common names. All though I know most of the Latin names, I can't pronounce them correctly most of the time. We in the US like to keep it simple, we call water, water, not H2o and oxygen, oxygen, not O2. I agree Latin names keep from misidentifying a snake, but most people in the reptile hobby do not want to learn Latin. Also now with all the morphs, common names are all we have. All the Ball/Royal Python morphs are still called Python regius, so common names will be required to ID them. I mean no disrespect to those who use the Latin names, I just think it is friendlier to use both, if you like using Latin.

I get your point Jerry. I am not against using common names, I am only proposing to use the scientific name as well at least once in your thread. I know from an educational point of view you always begin with something your audience already knows to advance to the unknown/new, so for your educational lessons it is only logical to use the common names. Believe me, I know how it is to teach somebody something completely new and alien – I started coaching everything from basic PC knowledge to advanced word processing or database programming back in the “dark ages” when the PC workstations just began to conquer our desktops. I have several thousands of coaching hours explaining complex matters in basic words. But I always tried to encourage my participants to use the technical terms (after I explained them) to make them more proficient.

So by all means use the common name, just add the scientific name once in your thread (if you know it) so that everybody knows what we are talking about. Just as a current example for a thread where it would have been helpful to have the scientific name as well, in the Colubrid section is a thread about the “Asian Vine Snake”, but it is not clear-cut if we are talking about Ahaetulla prasina or Ahaetulla nasuta (which doesn’t matter for this thread, as all arguments are valid for both species).

Roman

[IW17]

I was one of the people who brought up using common names earlier. And Roman I agree with what your saying. I was encouraging people to use both the scientific name and the common name. That way eventually when I see one I'll associate it with the other. I find it easier to learn the scientific name that way. For instance if all the snakes in this post only had the scientific name listed, I would have to look up each one. Then the next time I saw them, I wouldn't remember simply due to the volume of names I looked up all at once. Listing them together is so much easier to learn them in my humble opinion.

[Will0W783]

Originally posted by CrotalusR#1: Will0W783, are ruber hard to find for sale where you live?

They are not very common at shows, and I also need to decrease the numbers of snakes I own before I go looking into getting more. My fiance is already stressed out about the number I have. :(

[reptiledude987]

What would that number be?

[Mikoh4792]

Beautiful enclosures. Just wondering, is the substrate bio-active? If not does it become expensive to replace it after your snakes go to the bathroom?

[CrotalusR#1]

Beautiful enclosures. Just wondering, is the substrate bio-active? If not does it become expensive to replace it after your snakes go to the bathroom?

Thank you,
My substrate comes straight out of the wild. I don't think I have ever done a complete substrate change.. I always have random plants sprouting up in my cages..

[CrotalusR#1]

Baby eastern diamond back (crotalus adamanteus)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7577/15926063401_2e502ef6d5.jpg

[Georgia]

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[CrotalusR#1]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7564/15903390606_14555c27ce_b.jpg

[Georgia]

Nice canebrake bro!

[CrotalusR#1]

Thanks, I can't get over how different yours is! It's defiantly a bad *** snake.

[Georgia]

Well its definitely a very dangerous snake

[Georgia]

For my EDBs i use 3 parts river sand and 1 part organic potting soil... works like nobodies business

[SnoopySnake]

Nice collection! Canebrakes just might be my favorite, lol. The speckled Rattler and copperheads are pretty nice, too!

[CrotalusR#1]

Nice collection! Canebrakes just might be my favorite, lol. The speckled Rattler and copperheads are pretty nice, too!


Thanks! The speckled is one of my favorites to!

[CrotalusR#1]

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[CrotalusR#1]

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[KavomatovlHes]

Will there be more of the Kings Quests released in the futhre, they were the best

Thank You

[D Grade]

Such an amazing collection. :3eyes:

[Primal Rage]

You sir have a stunning collection! The blue tiger, the speckled ,and the pair of southern copperheads are INSANE! Well done man!

[CrotalusR#1]

Thank you all I appreciate it!

Me and my friend have worked hard to acquire the collection we now posses.