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ArborealMonster
10-30-14, 01:12 PM
Does the snakes need lighting bulb? and what influence on snake have uvb light?
Does there any proper literature in this matter?
CosmicOwl
10-30-14, 01:39 PM
Some snakes like rough green snakes do need UVB light. I don't know if there is any literature on other snakes. However, many snakes are kept and bred without any additional sources of light.
SSSSnakes
10-30-14, 01:48 PM
Some snakes may benefit from UVB lights, but they do not need it.
Aaron_S
10-30-14, 02:24 PM
Some snakes like rough green snakes do need UVB light. I don't know if there is any literature on other snakes. However, many snakes are kept and bred without any additional sources of light.

I'm interested in reading on the need for rough greens. Do you have a link or where I can find it?
millertime89
10-30-14, 03:05 PM
I'm interested in reading on the need for rough greens. Do you have a link or where I can find it?

Same, would be very interested to read it.
CosmicOwl
10-30-14, 03:34 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to make that sound like scientific fact. It's just something I've read anywhere they were being discussed.
Aaron_S
10-30-14, 04:20 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to make that sound like scientific fact. It's just something I've read anywhere they were being discussed.

Could you still post up where you read it? Maybe those discussing it had some information. I'd like to track it down if so.

I apologize if I'm coming across condescending but it's the first I've heard of any snake needing UVB so I'm super fascinated by the potential read.
millertime89
10-30-14, 04:36 PM
Could you still post up where you read it? Maybe those discussing it had some information. I'd like to track it down if so.

I apologize if I'm coming across condescending but it's the first I've heard of any snake needing UVB so I'm super fascinated by the potential read.

There's a hypothesis that UVB might be a contributing factor to getting Boelen's pythons to breed, but since nobody has figured out how to do it consistently it's still just a hypothesis. At least that's what I was told by a professional herpetologist that's researching them for the Fort Worth Zoo.
CosmicOwl
10-30-14, 04:49 PM
Could you still post up where you read it? Maybe those discussing it had some information. I'd like to track it down if so.

I apologize if I'm coming across condescending but it's the first I've heard of any snake needing UVB so I'm super fascinated by the potential read.


Sorry, I can't remember where I read it originally. I know that a lot of care sheets mention it. I wish I could be more helpful :(
Aaron_S
10-30-14, 04:52 PM
Sorry, I can't remember where I read it originally. I know that a lot of care sheets mention it. I wish I could be more helpful :(

It's okay. Thanks anyway!
Aaron_S
10-30-14, 04:54 PM
There's a hypothesis that UVB might be a contributing factor to getting Boelen's pythons to breed, but since nobody has figured out how to do it consistently it's still just a hypothesis. At least that's what I was told by a professional herpetologist that's researching them for the Fort Worth Zoo.

Interesting theory. I can't comment much on anything as I don't know enough about any breeding attempts. It might hold merit if the females won't develop proper eggs and that's where the process seems to end. I know it was tough to have them acclimate to captivity at first but it seems some people have figured that out.

Now, interesting fact, wild caught adult female ball pythons wouldn't breed in captivity for 3 - 5 years after being brought in. They would lock I believe but they wouldn't produce.

Maybe it's a longevity thing with Boelen's as well.
millertime89
10-30-14, 06:07 PM
It's possible. At this time it's anybody's guess. Unfortunately when ProExotics burned down some of the oldest LTCs were lost so that set it back a some.

For imported female BPs does that go for ones imported as neonates/juveniles?
Aaron_S
10-30-14, 06:34 PM
It's possible. At this time it's anybody's guess. Unfortunately when ProExotics burned down some of the oldest LTCs were lost so that set it back a some.

For imported female BPs does that go for ones imported as neonates/juveniles?

I guess it would depend on how young they were. Fresh out of egg? Probably not. You generally wait 3 years anyway.
millertime89
10-30-14, 06:39 PM
Makes sense.
ArborealMonster
10-31-14, 05:06 AM
I notice that many people keeping arboreal snake species with light like ATB for example. Is this have good effect on snakes? Do you can breed them without UV and which one will be feeling better (any literature would be great).
SSSSnakes
10-31-14, 06:06 AM
I notice that many people keeping arboreal snake species with light like ATB for example. Is this have good effect on snakes? Do you can breed them without UV and which one will be feeling better (any literature would be great).

I breed ATBs and do not use UVB lights or any lights for that matter. I have never heard of anyone breeding ATB's using UVB lighting. ATB's live in the canopy were the sun light would be blocked anyway.
ArborealMonster
10-31-14, 06:34 AM
But are you use lighting bulb or you breed them without light source?
SSSSnakes
10-31-14, 06:50 AM
But are you use lighting bulb or you breed them without light source?

I breed them with only the light that is in the room. Each enclosure has no lighting. They are in a snake room that is heated and humidified. Their enclosures have no extra heating, lighting or humidity, other than what is in the room. I know many top of the line ATB breeders and they do not use UVB lighting.
Will0W783
10-31-14, 06:59 AM
I don't use UVB for my snakes. I do use lighting though.
ArborealMonster
10-31-14, 10:25 AM
But why you are guys using lighting? if there is no UV then what is the reason to use lighting?
SSSSnakes
10-31-14, 10:33 AM
But why you are guys using lighting? if there is no UV then what is the reason to use lighting?

I don't use lighting, only the room lighting. Some use lighting in the enclosure so they can see the snakes better.
ArborealMonster
10-31-14, 10:42 AM
So the only reason is the snake keeper pleasure. I am asking like that because watching some enclosures I was wondering what light is it (UV?) or normal and why. Thank you for this clarification :)
SSSSnakes
10-31-14, 10:47 AM
So the only reason is the snake keeper pleasure. I am asking like that because watching some enclosures I was wondering what light is it (UV?) or normal and why. Thank you for this clarification :)

They may also use lights to heat the snake enclosure.
ArborealMonster
10-31-14, 11:17 AM
Yes for example but you can use various sources of heat (tape, mats, bulb etc) Although I wonder which one is the best? I suppose that heat from ground is not the bust but which one do you use and could you recommend? (For arboreal snakes)
SSSSnakes
10-31-14, 11:21 AM
Yes for example but you can use various sources of heat (tape, mats, bulb etc) Although I wonder which one is the best? I suppose that heat from ground is not the bust but which one do you use and could you recommend? (For arboreal snakes)

I have a heated snake room, so I don't have to heat each enclosure individually. If I did have to heat each enclosure, I most likely would use heat panels.
jjhill001
02-15-15, 01:32 PM
I'm interested in reading on the need for rough greens. Do you have a link or where I can find it?

It's listed on the LLL Reptile care sheet I know that. To be honest I think it probably has to do with rough green snakes insect diet and how calcium develops with some durinal lizards. It's also mentioned in the book Reptiles Amphibians and Invertebrates by the Bartletts and Billy Griswold.