Hybrids and Lacey Act?

[SnoopySnake]

Haven't been able to find much on this but can anyone tell me if hybrids are included in the lacey act? Things like burmballs and bateaters? I just ask because burmballs look amazing, IMO. Anyone know how big they get?

[Tsubaki]

I have no clue about lacey act at all, we don't have that here. About the burmball i did read up about those, i think they look gorgeous. I know about a breeding female that is 6/7 feet, but you never know with hybrids. She has only produced infertiles with a ballpython male up unto 2013, i don't know if she produced anything viable in 2014. They are very rare, really hard to breed. (I think both known burmball litter were accidental, and the 'rest' i read about were 25%ball/75%burm (burmball x burm)). I've only seen 2 for sale ever, and they were incredibly expensive.

[Aaron_S]

When the law is a little grey I would definitely err on the side of caution.

The way I look at burmballs for example is that until it's recognized as a different species it is both (burm AND ball) so in my eyes it falls under the lacey act.

Bateaters have both species falling under the lacey act so I would say yes it falls under it.

I don't live in the States so i dont care to check but the Lacey act may already have a section about hybrids.

[SnoopySnake]

When the law is a little grey I would definitely err on the side of caution.

The way I look at burmballs for example is that until it's recognized as a different species it is both (burm AND ball) so in my eyes it falls under the lacey act.

Bateaters have both species falling under the lacey act so I would say yes it falls under it.

I don't live in the States so i dont care to check but the Lacey act may already have a section about hybrids.

Good points. I hadn't been looking to purchase one anytime soon, was just curious. Also didn't realize they added retics, that makes me sad :(

[IW17]

I'm under the impression that all hybrids are included under the lacy act. I'll look for a link but I'm 99%.

[Aaron_S]

Good points. I hadn't been looking to purchase one anytime soon, was just curious. Also didn't realize they added retics, that makes me sad :(

I could be wrong. I don't bother to fact check something in another Country.

[SerpentSteve]

Good points. I hadn't been looking to purchase one anytime soon, was just curious. Also didn't realize they added retics, that makes me sad :(

Where did you see they added retics? I can't find anything on this

[themeyers]

they are trying to add retics. but there has been no official word as of yet. Constrictor Rule | USARK (http://usark.org/2014-blog/constrictor-rule-1/)

[SerpentSteve]

they are trying to add retics. but there has been no official word as of yet. Constrictor Rule | USARK (http://usark.org/2014-blog/constrictor-rule-1/)

Okay thanks that's what I thought. My heart sank when he said that but I was confused because I've been following alk that pretty closely and hadn't seen anything about retics being officially added.

[Zoo Nanny]

USFW normally include hybrids and eggs within a ban. I can't link to the actual page of the Lacey Act because I'm at work. If you google Lacey Act snake hybrid you will be able to read the actual wording.
U.S. Bans Importation And Transportation Of Burmese Pythons, Three Other Snakes (http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Snakes/Information-News/US-Bans-Importation-And-Transportation-Of-Burmese-Pythons-Three-Other-Snakes/)

[SnoopySnake]

I didnt think they added retics either, and that's unfortunate, Zoo Nanny.

[themeyers]

this is a perfect example of elected officials trying to justify their office by making crappy laws.

[marvelfreak]

I'm under the impression that all hybrids are included under the lacy act. I'll look for a link but I'm 99%.
They are.

In its effort to prevent the spread of non-native snakes in the wild in the United States, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service announced today that it will ban the "importation and interstate transportation" of the Burmese python (http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Snake-Species/Burmese-Python/), (Python molurus bivittatus) the northern (Python sebae) and southern African rock pythons (http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Snake-Species/African-Rock-Python/), (Python natalensis) and the yellow anaconda (http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Snake-Species/Yellow-Anaconda/)(Eunectes notaeus (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ih/9786136547565)) in two months. The agency will publish its final rule in the Federal Register to make it official. The law will take effect 60 days after publication. The agency lists the species as injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act, which prohibits the trade of species in the United States that are deemed injurious to people, agriculture, horticulture, forestry, wildlife or wildlife resources. The reticulated python (Python reticulatus), boa constrictor ( Boa constrictor imperator), DeSchauensee's anaconda ( Eunectes deschauenseei (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ih/9786135212921)), green anaconda (Eunectes murinus (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ih/9781155883151)) and beni anaconda (Eunectes beniensis) may also be banned but no action has yet been taken.
The rule will specifically prohibit the interstate transport and importation live snakes, their viable reproductive assets such as sperm and eggs, or any hybrids of the listed snakes. The rule does not restrict the sales of these snakes within a state as long as buyers don't try to transport the snakes across state lines.

[millertime89]

Thanks Chuck for posting that. You can't transport hybrids under the Lacey Act.

[SnoopySnake]

How disappointing. Thanks for clearing that up, Chuck!

[Aaron_S]

How disappointing. Thanks for clearing that up, Chuck!

Ah come on, you had to think the government wouldn't allow such a blatant loop hole :P

[millertime89]

Ah come on, you had to think the government wouldn't allow such a blatant loop hole :P

Notice how eggs are listed too? :no:

[Aaron_S]

Notice how eggs are listed too? :no:

The Government isn't completely stupid.

What's sad is that people would actually transport eggs.

[millertime89]

The Government isn't completely stupid.

What's sad is that people would actually transport eggs.

I know someone that had to move in the middle of winter for a new job assignment and had to transport a few clutches. They kept them warm (thank god for blankets and long-term, low-heat heat packs) seemed to do alright. But I know what you're getting at. Yup, pretty sad.